CoVid19 Part XII - 4,604 in ROI (137 deaths) 998 in NI (56 deaths)(04/04) **Read OP**

RandomName2

easypazz wrote: »

Place the over 66's and anybody with a relevant underlying condition under house arrest would allow the rest of the population start getting back on track sooner.

Unless there is a big death toll every night people will be asking what the fcuk?

But why would they be asking this?

People were saying 'what's the fuss about' when the outbreak was isolated in China. Didn't they understand the capacity for it to spread? People were saying 'why panic?' when there was only one case reported here. Didn't they understand exponential growth? People were saying 'it's not too bad' when there was only 2 deaths reported. Didn't they understand it takes a while for an infection to kill people?

Now we have over 10 people a day being cut down by this, and still you have people say 'what the fcuk is the big deal'. Don't they understand that if we get thousands of new cases each day that the economy collapses anyway?

Saying that only people particularly under threat from this should practice social isolation, and that the rest of the country should allow the virus run rampant, is essentially saying that the virus should be allowed infect everyone.

I love the idea of just isolating those who are vulnerable. No really, the idea is a nice one. However think about it logically. If everyone else has the virus, and has been told to not give a damn about spreading the virus, then the majority of these vulnerable individuals will probably get the virus too. It would be a dishonest way of sacrificing a large section of the population.

Afterwards the same people could say 'Look only 3% of the public died. It's not that big a deal. About 0.6% of the population dies each year, so that's only about 5 years' worth of dead people. In future let's not debate this, and ensure that jobs are prioritized'

niallo27

Danzy wrote: »

Singapore is a tiny city State where chewing gum is a criminal offence and the police will beat the tar out of you for any minor infringement, before the Judge comes down on you like a sledge.

They also went through something similar with a previous Chinese flu outbreak, SARS 1.

But yet they are not in any sort of lockdown

Nermal

Duke of Url wrote: »

Read in the paper today that in the UK they expect up to 80% of COVID19 patients put on ventilators could die.

Didn’t think it would be that high.

Sounds too low. In Wuhan it was 99%.

I have often heard the 'death rate skyrockets once ICU is overwhelmed' phrase. I've never seen any cites.

threeball

ITman88 wrote: »

April fool joke

You could start a run on the off licences with jokes like that.

scamalert

Duke of Url wrote: »

Read in the paper today that in the UK they expect up to 80% of COVID19 patients put on ventilators could die.

Didn’t think it would be that high.

the thing that many dont realize if person has to be sedated or put into coma and ventilated means they are ****ed eitherway, as body doesnt fight anymore the virus and compilcations can be managed only so far, so recovery rate drops to single digits, thus i dont get stupid obession here with ventilators and icu beds, when it means most folk on em will not make it, if it comes to that. The British guy and his wife that were treated of the ship in Japan had a good point not to get on one and explained his reasons why, as its a lost cause when it comes to that stage.

bekker

ITman88 wrote: »

And not remotely so, schools and business still open.

Report of US journalist in Singapore whose husband was hospitalized with COVID-1(

'Three times a day, every day, the Ministry of Health makes a video call to us on Whats App to verify we are in our home and to record our temperature with the thermometers they issued each of us on Day 1 of our quarantine. Should our temperature reach 99.5 F (37.5C), we are to call a designated number and an ambulance will be sent to collect us. While I’m considered to be a “high infection risk,” I’m grateful to report I’m feeling well. So too is Ben and Devi. '
source
https://www.forbes.com/sites/margiew...isive-be-bold/

timmy_mallet

Strazdas wrote: »

I suspect the people who want a year long lockdown are anti-social, misfits, loners etc who don't even like human company or socialising.

Most govts realise that shutting down a society for a year and placing the entire population under house arrest would be catastrophic.

Yes. Brexit-voters, Trump-lovers, cyclist-haters.

kilkenny31

I'm struggling with how people don't see our numbers as positive. We are far from a dire situation we were facing a couple of weeks ago.

RandomName2

Gynoid wrote: »

On the 4 week theme, (sorry it has bugged me today), but 4 weeks ago UK had its first covid death and recorded about 100 infections in total.

1 death and 100 infections? Doesn't sound like a big deal to me. In fact, I'd say the UK has got this licked if their numbers are this low.

threeball

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Israel now asking their population to wear masks in public.

The United States may make it obligatory.

Europe: They don't work (Europe only says this because we don't have the number of masks required for our health services, the real reason the authorities jump up and down when it's mentioned)

If we go this route, health workers won't have masks. 4.8 million people, lets say 3 million need a mask per day, thats 21 million a week. And we're only a mickey mouse country. Scale that up to 300 million people.

Cork Boy 53

Danzy wrote: »

Singapore is a tiny city State where chewing gum is a criminal offence and the police will beat the tar out of you for any minor infringement, before the Judge comes down on you like a sledge.

They also went through something similar with a previous Chinese flu outbreak, SARS 1.

Judging by the behaviour of certain elements of Irish society that might not be a bad thing.

ITman88

bekker wrote: »

Report of US journalist in Singapore whose husband was hospitalized with COVID-1(

'Three times a day, every day, the Ministry of Health makes a video call to us on Whats App to verify we are in our home and to record our temperature with the thermometers they issued each of us on Day 1 of our quarantine. Should our temperature reach 99.5 F (37.5C), we are to call a designated number and an ambulance will be sent to collect us. While I’m considered to be a “high infection risk,” I’m grateful to report I’m feeling well. So too is Ben and Devi. '
source
https://www.forbes.com/sites/margiew...isive-be-bold/

I don’t understand if you are contradicting me?
These people were in quarantine and this behaved like so.
Meanwhile life continued on as normal outside school and business as normal

Ficheall

threeball wrote: »

The UK has 25 times our dead per day at 12 times our population and thats not the full numbers either. Their numbers are rising day on day. Ours go up then back down then up and down again. Our rate of growth is not exponential and we're not far away from seeing the effects of our first measures. They are 2 weeks away.

They have had it for a month longer than we have, so it has had much longer to spread.
Their numbers are rising day on day... what? Up, up, down, up, up, down, up, down, up, up, down, up, up, up, down, down, up... versus... up, down, up, up, down, up, down, down, up...?



And why the obsession with just the UK? I realise they're our nearest neighbours, but you're insisting on comparing us to one of the countries that opted for the dumbest approach. Good job us, we're not the complete bottom of the world rankings. Congratulations.

niallo27

RandomName2 wrote: »

But why would they be asking this?

People were saying 'what's the fuss about' when the outbreak was isolated in China. Didn't they understand the capacity for it to spread? People were saying 'why panic?' when there was only one case reported here. Didn't they understand exponential growth? People were saying 'it's not too bad' when there was only 2 deaths reported. Didn't they understand it takes a while for an infection to kill people?

Now we have over 10 people a day being cut down by this, and still you have people say 'what the fcuk is the big deal'. Don't they understand that if we get thousands of new cases each day that the economy collapses anyway?

Saying that only people particularly under threat from this should practice social isolation, and that the rest of the country should allow the virus run rampant, is essentially saying that the virus should be allowed infect everyone.

I love the idea of just isolating those who are vulnerable. No really, the idea is a nice one. However think about it logically. If everyone else has the virus, and has been told to not give a damn about spreading the virus, then the majority of these vulnerable individuals will probably get the virus too. It would be a dishonest way of sacrificing a large section of the population.

Afterwards the same people could say 'Look only 3% of the public died. It's not that big a deal. About 0.6% of the population dies each year, so that's only about 5 years' worth of dead people. In future let's not debate this, and ensure that jobs are prioritized'

It's not all or nothing, it's a relaxation of the lockdown that's in place right now. Nobody would tell them not to give a damn. All these people saying it's a crazy idea, what's your plan long term and dont mention flattening the curve, I'm sick of hearing it. If we are still in lockdown in 3 months what happens.

New Home

Covid19 wrote: »

Hi folks. How is everyone holding up?

GET HIM!!!! KILL IT WITH FIRE!!!!

WhiteMemento9

kilkenny31 wrote: »

I'm struggling with how people don't see our numbers as positive. We are far from a dire situation we were facing a couple of weeks ago.

People see the positive and the numbers are great to see. They just don't hold much weight given testing is so all over the place. I am certainly not someone who wants to see the negative in everything. I just want to see some solid data that can have a measure of faith in it.

Spanish Eyes

Hope you are all doing ok.

Remember, if a tougher system is introduced, as long as we can get food medicine and grog, we will manage.

I’m usually a positive person but am mentally preparing for further restrictions. If it doesn’t happen that’s a bonus.

It’s mad how quickly this all happened, but to be fair the vast majority are complying and coping as best they can. I’m proud of us.

walshb

These current restrictions. Do we expect them to be continued past April 12?

Kermit.de.frog

threeball wrote: »

If we go this route, health workers won't have masks. 4.8 million people, lets say 3 million need a mask per day, thats 21 million a week. And we're only a mickey mouse country. Scale that up to 300 million people.

That's fine.

Just tell people that. Instead of telling them "they don't work" just say "it will another problem for our health workers, we don't have enough supply".

ednwireland

walshb wrote: »

These current restrictions. Do we expect them to be continued past April 12?

yes

wadacrack

https://twitter.com/CurlyJungleJake/status/1245221326358327296

threeball

Ficheall wrote: »

They have had it for a month longer than we have, so it has had much longer to spread.
Their numbers are rising day on day... what? Up, up, down, up, up, down, up, down, up, up, down, up, up, up, down, down, up... versus... up, down, up, up, down, up, down, down, up...?



And why the obsession with just the UK? I realise they're our nearest neighbours, but you're insisting on comparing us to one of the countries that opted for the dumbest approach. Good job us, we're not the complete bottom of the world rankings. Congratulations.

Well we were never going to be much better than middle of the pack. We don't have the resources. If you think the UK have a month longer to run than us then they truly are fcuked because they implemented measures 2 weeks after us. Like I said, we have had relatively few deaths considering whats going on in the vast majority of europe and we're nearing the beginning of our social distancing measures. Outside the very rich (germany) and the ex iron curtain countries who in Europe is doing better than us? I couldn't give a sh1te how they do it in China or Singapore. You may as well quote the numbers from Mars and look how well they are doing.

Grab All Association

timmy_mallet wrote: »

Yes. Brexit-voters, Trump-lovers, cyclist-haters.

These sorts of people think it’s a hoax, fake news, created by the Chinese in a lab in association with the Democrats, the EU to turn them into Venezuela. They don’t adhere to social distancing guidelines and open slabs of cans in the parks.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts

Arghus wrote: »

I don't want it to go on forever, far from it. But try to read between the lines. The virus won't be contained in a mere fortnight or even a month. You have to get it down to a rate of basically zero growth before you can even consider opening up everything again. Even a tiny handful of cases can quickly balloon, as we have already seen. And we'll be right back where we started.

Do you really think the numbers of new cases are going to be down to zero in a month or even six weeks? If you believe that, well, then I have some magic beans to sell you...

Think about why the government have the unemployment scheme set to run for 12 weeks.

We may figure out how to shield those at risk better though. It might mean that the at-risk population have to become quite isolated which isn’t ideal. But I’m one of them and I'd do that isolation for the greater good if need be.

And don’t forget, we’re not just waiting on a vaccine or a medicine that works. We’re also waiting on statistically significant information about who this affects the worst. At the moment, we are not sure but new information is pouring in every day. We may well be able to lift some restrictions before a vaccine or medicine is found once we know who is at risk and how to protect them.

bekker

ITman88 wrote: »

I don’t understand if you are contradicting me?
These people were in quarantine and this behaved like so.
Meanwhile life continued on as normal outside school and business as normal

Exactly, just pointing out that they have the isolation-in-place nailed down, and by implication are fairly much on top of the situation, without the need for mass self-isolation.

That may change but one could be reasonably confident that they will handle it effectively if it becomes necessary.

Nermal

Nermal wrote: »

I have often heard the 'death rate skyrockets once ICU is overwhelmed' phrase. I've never seen any cites.

Would've taught this was commonsense tbh??

RandomName2

ITman88 wrote: »

I don’t understand if you are contradicting me?
These people were in quarantine and this behaved like so.
Meanwhile life continued on as normal outside school and business as normal

Differences between Ireland and Sigapore

• Ban on travel into Singapore from worst hit Covid-19 regions
• Quarantine for anybody coming from a location with Covid-19
• Facial masks distributed to everyone in the country
• 14 day stay-at-home notice for any visitors into the country

We didn't do that here because it wouldn't have been popular, so we allowed the virus to take hold. People coming back from northern Italy were allowed go their merry way. Once the virus has taken hold you have to enact much tougher legislation. We left it late, but not too late. Had we waited any longer we would be like Italy. If we had acted earlier a shutdown may not have been necessary.

Loafing Oaf

walshb wrote: »

These current restrictions. Do we expect them to be continued past April 12?

most definitely

threeball

WhiteMemento9 wrote: »

People see the positive and the numbers are great to see. They just don't hold much weight given testing is so all over the place. I am certainly not someone who wants to see the negative in everything. I just want to see some solid data that can have a measure of faith in it.

The data is the deaths and the proximity to measures. Deaths will drop 14 to 16 days after measures. The more measures the more the drop. Forget the test numbers, they mean damn all at this stage. They'd be better moving to the antibody test so they could start the ball rolling properly.

threeball

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

That's fine.

Just tell people that. Instead of telling them "they don't work" just say "it will another problem for our health workers, we don't have enough supply".

You tell people that and its every man for himself. They'll start raiding hospitals to get them. They were stealing hand santizer less than two weeks ago. People are Me Féiners.

ITman88

RandomName2 wrote: »

But why would they be asking this?

People were saying 'what's the fuss about' when the outbreak was isolated in China. Didn't they understand the capacity for it to spread? People were saying 'why panic?' when there was only one case reported here. Didn't they understand exponential growth? People were saying 'it's not too bad' when there was only 2 deaths reported. Didn't they understand it takes a while for an infection to kill people?

Now we have over 10 people a day being cut down by this, and still you have people say 'what the fcuk is the big deal'. Don't they understand that if we get thousands of new cases each day that the economy collapses anyway?

Saying that only people particularly under threat from this should practice social isolation, and that the rest of the country should allow the virus run rampant, is essentially saying that the virus should be allowed infect everyone.

I love the idea of just isolating those who are vulnerable. No really, the idea is a nice one. However think about it logically. If everyone else has the virus, and has been told to not give a damn about spreading the virus, then the majority of these vulnerable individuals will probably get the virus too. It would be a dishonest way of sacrificing a large section of the population.

Afterwards the same people could say 'Look only 3% of the public died. It's not that big a deal. About 0.6% of the population dies each year, so that's only about 5 years' worth of dead people. In future let's not debate this, and ensure that jobs are prioritized'

It’s absolute ridiculous hysteric posts like this that validates the argument against a stricter lockdown.

3% of the public died, a statement with neither fact or anywhere near the case anywhere in the world.

No fact whatsoever in the argument here, just random numbers.

All these posts serve to do is reiterate that the most balanced posters who often quote the facts are the ones who consider all effects of the current situation, social, economic and health

Lavinia

WhiteMemento9 wrote: »

People see the positive and the numbers are great to see. They just don't hold much weight given testing is so all over the place. I am certainly not someone who wants to see the negative in everything. I just want to see some solid data that can have a measure of faith in it.

+1

Cork Boy 53

walshb wrote: »

These current restrictions. Do we expect them to be continued past April 12?

Without a shadow of a doubt.

Looney1

I'm starting to become a bit dispondant about the whole thing. I get the feeling that all governments and the who really don't have a clue how this is going to end and that they are only firefighting and hoping for a miricle.

threeball

RandomName2 wrote: »

Differences between Ireland and Sigapore

• Ban on travel into Singapore from worst hit Covid-19 regions
• Quarantine for anybody coming from a location with Covid-19
• Facial masks distributed to everyone in the country
• 14 day stay-at-home notice for any visitors into the country

We didn't do that here because it wouldn't have been popular, so we allowed the virus to take hold. People coming back from northern Italy were allowed go their merry way. Once the virus has taken hold you have to enact much tougher legislation. We left it late, but not too late. Had we waited any longer we would be like Italy. If we had acted earlier a shutdown may not have been necessary.

And what then? Stay like a hermit on the edge of Europe, terrified of any one getting onto the island. Do you really think that we can just wait this out until it goes away?

Covid19

spookwoman wrote: »

It's eerie looking at photographs like this, plus witnessing the Navy Set-up in Galway and yet feeling completely removed from the current crisis because of our relatively remote position outside a small town in the West of Ireland. In the town, there is the odd tractor or truck hauling Milk or delivering out to farmers, a few souls walking up the street, but that is about it.

Lavinia

Looney1 wrote: »

I'm starting to become a bit dispondant about the whole thing. I get the feeling that all governments and the who really don't have a clue how this is going to end and that they are only firefighting and hoping for a miricle.

i really envy sweden

news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-why-hasnt-sweden-gone-into-lockdown-over-covid-19-pandemic

Ficheall

threeball wrote: »

Well we were never going to be much better than middle of the pack. We don't have the resources. If you think the UK have a month longer to run than us then they truly are fcuked because they implemented measures 2 weeks after us. Like I said, we have had relatively few deaths considering whats going on in the vast majority of europe and we're nearing the beginning of our social distancing measures. Outside the very rich (germany) and the ex iron curtain countries who in Europe is doing better than us? I couldn't give a sh1te how they do it in China or Singapore. You may as well quote the numbers from Mars and look how well they are doing.

I suspect we will do better than many countries, for sure, because we were fortunate to get it later, and implement our lockdown sooner.

However, the relative numbers to date (when the lockdown hasn't fully had a chance to kick in and affect the numbers) are not "middle of the pack", they are bottom of the effing barrel.

That you don't give a sh1te how two countries who have been relatively successful in coping with the virus is concerning. Are you solely interested in the virus as a way to point out how we are doing better than the UK?



I think we've been very lucky, relatively speaking, and that we'll do better than many countries, but this cherry picking of the UK and with their sh1tty, sh1tty approach and saying "Everything's fine, we're doing better than these guys.." is tiresome nonsense.

Away With The Fairies

We're not getting out of this anytime soon, are we?

Looking back at other pandemics and it's at least a year. Spanish flu was almost 3 years long.

saabsaab

threeball wrote: »

And what then? Stay like a hermit on the edge of Europe, terrified of any one getting onto the island. Do you really think that we can just wait this out until it goes away?

Too late now but that would have been a good plan.

threeball

Looney1 wrote: »

I'm starting to become a bit dispondant about the whole thing. I get the feeling that all governments and the who really don't have a clue how this is going to end and that they are only firefighting and hoping for a miricle.

They know and they have said it but between the lines. Read between the lines of flatten the curve. Look at the graph, is there less volume in the peaked graph than the flattened one? No? Because its the same amount of people over a greater length of time. 2/3's of our population will get CV19, if you're extremely lucky you'll be in the 1/3 that don't.

They don't come out and say it because all our Chicken Littles will lose their minds.

New Home

Covid19 wrote: »

Lol. Personally, I'm amazed that this username was available! The Joy of having a bored 11 year old in the house. "Hey dad, I wonder if..."

Wait a second... are you a re-reg? :eek:

TopOfTheHill

kilkenny31 wrote: »

I'm struggling with how people don't see our numbers as positive. We are far from a dire situation we were facing a couple of weeks ago.

I am guessing the numbers projected a few weeks ago, of 15,000 cases by end of March, were based on a lot more tests than the 30,000 that was carried out up to yesterday.

I don't think testing has kicked off properly yet, as there are too many delays in the system and we have not reached the 5,000 tests per day that has been mentioned.

Apologies if this is all mentioned before - just landed on this last page.

wadacrack

Very sad

https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1245433474569457664

threeball

saabsaab wrote: »

Too late now but that would have been a good plan.

Terrible plan as we'd be locked out of the world economy for 4 or 5yrs and we would be ripe for an infection at any stage, so whilst everyone else is getting on we'd be in the sh1t on our own.

Away With The Fairies

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

We're not getting out of this anytime soon, are we?

Looking back at other pandemics and it's at least a year. Spanish flu was almost 3 years long.

Big difference in terms of medical ability between then and now along with other advances. It'll take time yes but no comparison inmo

threeball

New Home wrote: »

Wait a second... are you a re-reg? :eek:

No he's novel

Looney1

threeball wrote: »

They know and they have said it but between the lines. Read between the lines of flatten the curve. Look at the graph, is there less volume in the peaked graph than the flattened one? No? Because its the same amount of people over a greater length of time. 2/3's of our population will get CV19, if you're extremely lucky you'll be in the 1/3 that don't.

They don't come out and say it because all our Chicken Littles will lose their minds.

So 2/3s of population is roughly 3.7 million. Take a death rate of 2% for argument sake. 74000?????. Is that what we are looking at.????

Lavinia

voluntary restrictions would be much appreciated versus these abiding mandatory ones

Quantum Erasure

New Home wrote: »

Wait a second... are you a re-reg? :eek:

previously known as SARS