CoVid19 Part XII - 4,604 in ROI (137 deaths) 998 in NI (56 deaths)(04/04) **Read OP**

KungPao

Ficheall wrote: »

Ah ffs, would you ever cop on to yourself.

We shall fight in Wuhan, we shall fight on the seas and oceans, we shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength in the air, we shall defend our island, whatever the cost may be. We shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender. **** you, Coronavirus!

Ficheall

KungPao wrote: »

We shall fight in Wuhan, we shall fight on the seas and oceans, we shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength in the air, we shall defend our island, whatever the cost may be. We shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender. **** you, Coronavirus!

Ffs, stay INSIDE!!

xabi

zvone wrote: »

Never say that. War is not about guns. It's about artillery surrounding your town and airplanes shelling streats, schools and hospitals, suddenly killing people on the streets.
Sometimes you spend a months not living the shelter. If you go out on the street, every few hours you hear sirens and you never know is it real or fault alarm. I still remember one croatian general when journalist told them... Is it true that you have same chance to be hit by grenade as you have chance to win the lottery.. He said... It's true, but draw for this lottery is every 10 seconds. Stay in shelter.
Every time somebody tell me how hard is in home isolation, I remember this. 30 years since, but still remember.. Take a soap and wash your hands. in war you would probably use soupfor food.

That’s about all I can stomach

MadYaker

https://twitter.com/NewYorker/status/1245493607643131909

windy shepard henderson

ThomasFlynn wrote: »

We'll see how much higher it goes but relatively speaking they're still doing better than a lot of European countries.

The US is 5 times bigger than the UK for instance but only has twice their death rate.

The big problem is New York state, 505 deaths today accounting for half of all deaths.

america is a **** storm that is going to get worse and worse , most European countries were much better prepared , they will be the worst hit country when this is done

Kermit.de.frog

ThomasFlynn wrote: »

Well New York is their biggest city so I would suspect it probably will be.

California has done a very impressive job so far, they have x2 the population of New York State and only have one tenth of their deaths. Dr. Birx accredited them for taking action early.

They have 1303 new cases so far today in California and 30 new deaths recorded.

3 quarters of tests done are yet to be processed.

A disaster is unfolding of proportions hard to imagine at this point and there is an imbecile in charge.

SharpshooterTom

Quantum Erasure wrote: »

this time tomorrow we'll be through 1,000,000 confirmed cases, 50,000 deaths

Total: 935,189 (+76,834) deaths: 47,192 (+4,883)

The 2009 flu killed 575,000 at most. This looks like it's got the potential to surpass 1 million.

kowloon

bodhrandude wrote: »

Why is this reagent so important anyway, what does it do?

It's in the name: It agents the things again.

nocoverart

Ficheall wrote: »

Ah ffs, would you ever cop on to yourself.[/QUOTE

Even comparing a War to a Pandemic is incredibly dumb in the first place so hence even getting into that argument was stupid of me... but war isn’t physically contagious the last I checked, so mentally speaking this is rather distressing in a completely different way.

fritzelly

bodhrandude wrote: »

Why is this reagent so important anyway, what does it do?

It's like reanimator

cnocbui

windy shepard henderson wrote: »

america is a **** storm that is going to get worse and worse , most European countries were much better prepared , they will be the worst hit country when this is done

India has the potential to make the US look like a rounding error.

fritzelly

Quantum Erasure wrote: »

anyone still up, Contagion is starting on ITV2 +1 in 5 minutes...

Again - tv channels getting their wear out of that film or is it a PSA by the government

KungPao

MadYaker wrote: »

https://twitter.com/NewYorker/status/1245493607643131909

Ele é um palhaço, Bill.

Strumms

MadYaker wrote: »

https://twitter.com/NewYorker/status/1245493607643131909

Bolsonaro, He is actually a fücking headcase. I know quite a few Brazilians here and they would be quite center in their politics but they were absolutely bricking it that Bolsonaro would get in. ‘Crazy’ was the term frequently used to describe him.... doesn’t seem too far from fact now.

ceadaoin.

windy shepard henderson wrote: »

america is a **** storm that is going to get worse and worse , most European countries were much better prepared , they will be the worst hit country when this is done

Maybe in terms of numbers just because of their large population, but many states are very prepared and have had measures in place longer than Ireland has.

droidman123

Strumms wrote: »

Bolsonaro, He is actually a fücking headcase. I know quite a few Brazilians here and they would be quite center in their politics but they were absolutely bricking it that Bolsonaro would get in. ‘Crazy’ was the term frequently used to describe him.... doesn’t seem too far from fact now.

Maybe as crazy as this loon who advises his people to take saunas and drink vodka to stave off the covid19

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/sport/amp/football/52084121

cnocbui

Quantum Erasure wrote: »

this time tomorrow we'll be through 1,000,000 confirmed cases, 50,000 deaths

Total: 935,189 (+76,834) deaths: 47,192 (+4,883)

Those might actually be close to China's real figures. Now the US intelligence community seems to be echoing what the UK government 'scientists' have advised in terms of under reporting by China: https://www.smh.com.au/world/asia/intentionally-incomplete-us-intelligence-says-china-concealed-extent-of-outbreak-20200402-p54gbm.html

dwayneshintzy

nacho libre wrote: »

In Australia those who come back into the country must self-isolate in a hotel for 14 days. We should have that here when restrictions ease, so we don't have the same problem Hong Kong had when they lifted restrictions on travel.

Hong Kong never lifted restrictions on travel. The rise in cases is largely attributed to people returning to HK from elsewhere, yes, but that was because those countries (Europe, USA, etc) became hotspots and people started returning to HK (permanent residents, students, etc). More intensive travel restrictions were only brought in after the rise in cases brought on by this.



HK had done very well keeping cases low for sure, but that was more through distancing measures, closure of schools, almost 100% wearing of masks, etc

windy shepard henderson

ceadaoin. wrote: »

Maybe in terms of numbers just because of their large population, but many states are very prepared and have had measures in place longer than Ireland has.

there are large urban areas that will have catastrophic consequences from this ,

bare in mind the worst hit city (bergamo) in italy has a population of 500 000 half the population of dublin , it didnt reach Rome because they shut the country down , the numbers in the vast majority of italy are low compared to the north of the country

whats happening in new york and one or two other cities could make bergamo look small in comparison

MadYaker

windy shepard henderson wrote: »

there are large urban areas that will have catastrophic consequences from this ,

bare in mind the worst hit city (bergamo) in italy has a population of 500 000 half the population of dublin , it didnt reach Rome because they shut the country down , the numbers in the vast majority of italy are low compared to the north of the country

whats happening in new york and one or two other cities could make bergamo look small in comparison

1000 deaths today already, probably 2000 tomorrow

gabeeg

ceadaoin. wrote: »

Maybe in terms of numbers just because of their large population, but many states are very prepared and have had measures in place longer than Ireland has.

Name some

Tell me how

gabeeg wrote: »

Name some

Ohio governor Mike DeWine started shutting down before the state even had it's first confirmed case.

I'm in Massachussets and the governor announced an emergency on the 10th March instructions for social distancing and working from home were issued on that day.

ceadaoin.

gabeeg wrote: »

Name some

California for one.

Nevada, where I live, has had schools closed since march 15th and all non essential businesses closed since paddy's day. Hotels and casinos on the vegas strip were shut before that anyway. My husband has been working from home for about 5 weeks now. Several states declared states of emergency weeks ago, some activated the national guard (nevada just did that today). Its ridiculous to say that all of america is unprepared.

You can look it up, most of the US is shut down at this stage and has been for weeks. Trump doesn't have that much power. I think for the most part we will be ok but dont let that get in the way of your trump revenge fantasy.

Heckler

Tell me how wrote: »

Ohio governor Mike DeWine started shutting down before the state even had it's first confirmed case.

I'm in Massachussets and the governor announced an emergency on the 10th March instructions for social distancing and working from home were issued on that day.

True. Have a sister in Watertown, Boston. Shes being working from home since then.

davedanon

Tell me how wrote: »

Ohio governor Mike DeWine started shutting down before the state even had it's first confirmed case.

I'm in Massachussets and the governor announced an emergency on the 10th March instructions for social distancing and working from home were issued on that day.

Ok...no dates supplied with the first instance, and with the second, the 10th was just 2 days before Leo Varadkar's announcement in Washington. And 2 states, out of 52, is a definition of 'many' I'm unfamiliar with.

ceadaoin.

davedanon wrote: »

Ok...no dates supplied with the first instance, and with the second, the 10th was just 2 days before Leo Varadkar's announcement in Washington. And 2 states, out of 52, is a definition of 'many' I'm unfamiliar with.

Look it up. The majority of american states are under stay at home or shelter in place directives.

Tell me how

davedanon wrote: »

Ok...no dates supplied with the first instance, and with the second, the 10th was just 2 days before Leo Varadkar's announcement in Washington. And 2 states, out of 52, is a definition of 'many' I'm unfamiliar with.

Maybe instead of focusing on the definition of many you might consider the definition of 'some' also. Which is what you asked for.

davedanon

Tell me how wrote: »

Maybe instead of focusing on the definition of many you might consider the definition of 'some' also. Which is what you asked for.

No, I didn't.

tuxy

Wait a second, 52 states? Did the virus add 2 new states?

Larbre34

tuxy wrote: »

Wait a second, 52 states? Did the virus add 2 new states?

Puerto Rico and American Samoa. Not States per se but close enough.

Sausage_blaa

Xertz wrote: »

What I don't understand is why anyone would think the HSE or the DoH would have an agenda to engage in some kind of cover up of this. It quite literally makes absolutely no sense, whatsoever.

They are in 'all hands on deck' and 'pull out all the stops' mode and are genuinely working flat out across all sorts of areas.

Just to give you an example, a relative of mine is having on-going cancer treatment and their team had to find new venues for infusions, which involved nurses / local management going in and working with contractors and getting a facilities up and running. They were getting equipment moved, installed, rooms cleaned, painted, getting electrical systems updated - you name it, they're doing it. There are nurses, managers, administrators, cleaners, everyone working flat out behind the scenes across the whole system in a way that is genuinely unprecedented.

The press conferences are trying to get out as much information as they can and it has largely been very accurate and they are being as open and forthcoming as they can. You have to realise they're not used to dealing with public presentation of medical stats. They're used to issuing stats to academics and medics and those are often technical, dense reports that would need to be read by someone who's familiar with reading them.

Perhaps they could get some staff in from say the CSO or academia to help out with publishing stats and info. It not something the HSE is actually used to doing and perhaps the presentation isn't quite media-friendly or is assuming a degree of expertise that doesn't exist, but I honestly think this constant accusation of some kind of coverup or agenda is beyond nonsense.

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No the HSE are very trustworthy! They never lied about all the women they could have saved if they gave the right results from smear tests or certainly never tried to cover it up! Naw! Give yourself a shake!

fritzelly

tuxy wrote: »

Wait a second, 52 states? Did the virus add 2 new states?

Maybe I'm drunk but I found that funnier than I should have

tuxy

Larbre34 wrote: »

Puerto Rico and American Samoa. Not States per se but close enough.

What about Guam and all the other U.S. territories?

maninasia

davedanon wrote: »

Err, you do know that even Trump, who claimed that it was one person from China and then 15 but soon to be none....is now saying that TWO HUNDRED THOUSAND deaths would represent "a great job"?

Not getting into Trump this and that but..


A very reasonable estimate with no mitigation was 2 to 3 million deaths in the US.
So compared to that 100,000 looks reasonable.

Talisman

s1ippy wrote: »

A friend of mine works in Pfizer and he texted me in late February about the shortage of reagent.

Thanks that really brightened my day.

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Sure he did.

c montgomery wrote: »

What reagent are they short of?

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

Really? A real ****ing shame he or you didn`t let the HSE or the Government know about it wasn`t it? :rolleyes:

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john4321 wrote: »

Got a similar message from a mate.

s1ippy

I'm laughing but only because he literally did text me in February. When they were speaking about it at the press conference last week I was wondering how this was current news as I'd known about it for weeks and who the fnck am I?

fritzelly

s1ippy wrote: »

I'm laughing but only because he literally did text me in February. When they were speaking about it at the press conference last week I was wondering how this was current news as I'd known about it for weeks and who the fnck am I?

I believe you bro

tuxy

s1ippy wrote: »

I'm laughing but only because he literally did text me in February. When they were speaking about it at the press conference last week I was wondering how this was current news as I'd known about it for weeks and who the fnck am I?

So are you saying they ran out of it in Feb when countries like China and S Korea had depleted their stockpiles and were ording more.
And now the same thing has happened in other countries.
It's current news now in Ireland and elsewhere because we have just depleted our stockpiles and companies like pfizer have not managed to magic it out of thin air in the meantime.

s1ippy

tuxy wrote: »

So are you saying they ran out of it in Feb when countries like China and S Korea had depleted their stockpiles and were ording more.
And now the same thing has happened in other countries.
It's current news now in Ireland and elsewhere because we have just depleted our stockpiles and companies like pfizer have not managed to magic it out of thin air in the meantime.

We were marvelling continously that HSE were claiming that they were going to be testing tens of thousands in so few weeks. Taking swabs, maybe, but the swab stocks were on the verge of being depleted Wed last as it happens, hence testing was curtailed so they've only just managed to even start taking swabs again as of Sunday.

Testing is quite meaningless in its current guise and while the death level is still relatively low here, these consistent low positive numbers serve to only breed complacency among those not coping with lockdown.

Quantum Erasure

davedanon wrote: »

... 2 states, out of 52, is a definition of 'many' I'm unfamiliar with.

Larbre34 wrote: »

Puerto Rico and American Samoa. Not States per se but close enough.

wait, so coronavirus isn't in every American state, if we include American Samoa, as of a few hours ago at least,

EDIT: and then i googled and found an article from a few days ago

American Samoa's coronavirus conundrum: No way to test
https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-care/american-samoa-s-coronavirus-conundrum-no-way-test-n1167776
The remote U.S. territory lacks the ability to conduct its own tests on possible COVID-19 patients, fueling concerns it's ill-equipped to handle an outbreak.

tuxy

Quantum Erasure wrote: »

wait, so coronavirus isn't in every American state, if we include American Samoa, as of a few hours ago at least,

EDIT: and then i googled and found an article from a few days ago

American Samoa's coronavirus conundrum: No way to test
https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-care/american-samoa-s-coronavirus-conundrum-no-way-test-n1167776
The remote U.S. territory lacks the ability to conduct its own tests on possible COVID-19 patients, fueling concerns it's ill-equipped to handle an outbreak.

I'm still shocked American Samoa became a state before Guam since Guam has a much larger population.

Talisman

Xertz wrote: »

What I don't understand is why anyone would think the HSE or the DoH would have an agenda to engage in some kind of cover up of this. It quite literally makes absolutely no sense, whatsoever.

There are very different mindsets at work in the HSE. The front line staff and bureaucrats are very different.

The bureaucrats generally have an under siege mentality. They play down real issues because they perceive that to be a sign of weakness. They also talk up achievements and inflate numbers if it's a likely performance indicator. Rather than talk about the current situation where there is an issue to be resolved they will present a projection of a future scenario where the issue is resolved. If you manage to drill into how the issue is magically resolved more likely than not the solution will have been to hand it off to a third party. This is how they have adapted to the idea of "doing more with less." The core behavior is like that of a child that wants external validation so they can feel good about themselves, there's a need to be seen to be smart and be liked.

There's a lot of politics at play and when Simon Harris says people don't realise the work that has gone on behind the scenes in dealing with the situation he's not joking. There are a lot of ivory towers in the HSE, the ICU beds are just one example - the HSE ordering 100 ICU beds was a monumental achievement. Those newly acquired beds put the HSE 8-10 years ahead of Liam Woods's plan of 8-12 new ICU beds per year.

Harris or the people within the department aren't going to call out the HSE management at this time when they need everyone pulling in the same direction.

On the presentation side of things, they simply need to be transparent - it would be a good time to start because there are a lot of eyes on them.

LoughNeagh2017

I enjoy the #UniteByStayingApart agenda RTE are doing, being a hermit for Ireland. I feel like I should have a mural painted of me on a Belfast gavel, just think of the amount of people I didn't give illnesses to over the years because of my hermit lifestyle.

Duke of Url

Dozens of spring breakers from Texas boarded a plane for fun and came home with coronavirus.

About 70 people in their 20s chartered a plane from Austin, Texas, to Mexico for spring break two weeks ago. They went against the advice of White House officials who asked that people avoid gathering in groups of more than 10 and nonessential air travel.

Now 44 of those people have tested positive for coronavirus -- all of them University of Texas at Austin students, a university spokesman told CNN on Wednesday.

ceadaoin.

Duke of Url wrote: »

Dozens of spring breakers from Texas boarded a plane for fun and came home with coronavirus.

About 70 people in their 20s chartered a plane from Austin, Texas, to Mexico for spring break two weeks ago. They went against the advice of White House officials who asked that people avoid gathering in groups of more than 10 and nonessential air travel.

Now 44 of those people have tested positive for coronavirus -- all of them University of Texas at Austin students, a university spokesman told CNN on Wednesday.

The beaches in Florida were packed with spring breakers too. Absolute idiocy and I'm sure theyll be starting to find that out soon, if they haven't already.

Gynoid

Funny how this situation can affect the psyche. Usually if I have a bad dream the bad stuff would be fairly dramatic, being chased by unknown evil doers, a rising sea blocking me in, walking on a narrow ledge high up, that kind of thing. Had a bad dream last night. Was just walking down a nondescript street. And people kept passing me by too closely! One even rubbed off of me. Aaaarrgghhhh!

DOCARCH

Probably for another thread, but I wonder, when this is all done, is time to say goodbye to private healthcare in Ireland and leave everybody in a more steam lined public system?

XsApollo

DOCARCH wrote: »

Probably for another thread, but I wonder, when this is all done, is time to say goodbye to private healthcare in Ireland and leave everybody in a more steam lined public system?

Well we all know the healthcare system in this country needs to be improved.
For the money we spend and the population we have we should have one of the best in world.

How can the government change anything when the people that work in it won’t let them?
Anytime any improvement is attempted in any public service they seem to all go on strike

Quantum Erasure

DOCARCH wrote: »

Probably for another thread, but I wonder, when this is all done, is time to say goodbye to private healthcare in Ireland and leave everybody in a more steam lined public system?

there will always be people who can pay more, so i would presume there will always be private consultants / clinics that will take their money

Heckler

Quantum Erasure wrote: »

there will always be people who can pay more, so i would presume there will always be private consultants / clinics that will take their money

I earn slightly more than the minimum wage. It was drilled into me from an early age when my parents had private health insurance and paid for mine that it was something to keep up. So now I do that I'm an adult. Is it fair? No. Will I take advantage of any opportunity it gives me if I get ill ? Yeah I will. I've paid thousands over the years.