CoVid19 Part XII - 4,604 in ROI (137 deaths) 998 in NI (56 deaths)(04/04) **Read OP**

Fr_Dougal

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

I think ownership of businesses may change hands due to cash flow issues, but the demand for goods and services will bounce back; especially in the hospitality sector where most of the job losses have been.

We’ll see a lot of the chains buying up these smaller independent businesses.

Recessions are used by business to let go of staff whether they need to or not. Theres an assumption that there will be a high spike in demand and business cannot survive this without their staff. I very much doubt that. Restrictions will be lifted gradually, there isnt going to be a bounce back to the boom times.

It could also be the final nail in the coffin for bricks and mortar as everyone will have learnt how to shop online efficiently by the end of this.

Bob24

josip wrote: »

An RT report about something that supposedly happened in China?
It doesn't get much more unreliable than that.

As I said it was confirmed by a French politician and I quoted one of the multiple reports in French national media (this particular one from the French public broadcaster). Are you saying those are also unaware of what is happening to French goods?

Provided the RT link as the first English version of the report I found on google.

I am of course open to correction and news reports can be incorrect. But cherrypicking RT amongst the multiple sources to call the news unreliable doesn't seem like a very convincing argument to me TBH.

And here is another source in English which pop-up since my first post (public funded French international news radio station): http://www.rfi.fr/en/europe/20200402-china-coronavirus-face-mask-france-stolen-us

kilkenny31

Has anyone listened to David McWilliams latest podcast. He was explining how the negative interest rates work. He was basically saying that the central bank in Ireland has been doing a terrible job and the point of the ECB's rate cut was to put money in people's pockets. How they do this is with the dramatic rate cut so banks in Ireland could cut peoples mortgage rate to 1.25% and still earn 2% interest.

None of the banks have signaled that this will be passed on and the central back hasn't opened its mouth. Now is surely the time to pass this on.

kilkenny31

kilkenny31 wrote: »

Has anyone listened to David McWilliams latest podcast. He was explining how the negative interest rates work. He was basically saying that the central bank in Ireland has been doing a terrible job and the point of the ECB's rate cut was to put money in people's pockets. How they do this is with the dramatic rate cut so banks in Ireland could cut peoples mortgage rate to 1.25% and still earn 2% interest.

None of the banks have signaled that this will be passed on and the central back hasn't opened its mouth. Now is surely the time to pass this on.

Banks returning the favour after we bailed them out?? Unlikely.

is_that_so

kilkenny31 wrote: »

Has anyone listened to David McWilliams latest podcast. He was explining how the negative interest rates work. He was basically saying that the central bank in Ireland has been doing a terrible job and the point of the ECB's rate cut was to put money in people's pockets. How they do this is with the dramatic rate cut so banks in Ireland could cut peoples mortgage rate to 1.25% and still earn 2% interest.

None of the banks have signaled that this will be passed on and the central back hasn't opened its mouth. Now is surely the time to pass this on.

Did he bother to mention the cost to banks of tracker mortgages? That has a whole lot more to do with the overall picture.

of course they have not, banks run the country end if story. same all over the world.

snowgal

kilkenny31 wrote: »

Has anyone listened to David McWilliams latest podcast. He was explining how the negative interest rates work. He was basically saying that the central bank in Ireland has been doing a terrible job and the point of the ECB's rate cut was to put money in people's pockets. How they do this is with the dramatic rate cut so banks in Ireland could cut peoples mortgage rate to 1.25% and still earn 2% interest.

None of the banks have signaled that this will be passed on and the central back hasn't opened its mouth. Now is surely the time to pass this on.

ugghhhhhh, I really HATE the banks! the most selfish 'business' in the world. They are so greedy and genuinely anger me so much. I cant understand why there is not more uproar from people about them. They are doing nothing, nothing decent for people through this. And they should be to the fore in helping, after all we did to help them a decade ago. Any offers they give will only be more profit for them in the end. Greed!
sorry rant over now!!!

bekker

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

I think ownership of businesses may change hands due to cash flow issues, but the demand for goods and services will bounce back; especially in the hospitality sector where most of the job losses have been.

We’ll see a lot of the chains buying up these smaller independent businesses.

Don't foresee any recovery in international tourism this year, and probably only at a very reduced level in '21.

Why would large chains buy up smaller independent businesses, which are essentially very much targeted on tighter market segments?

Believe it much more likely they'd seek to buy up defaulted leases to improve their footfall positioning where possible.

MipMap

Maybe a stupid question but the politicians are starting to squabble again.


Have any of them taken a pay cut?

Juwwi

is_that_so wrote: »

As do washing hands, not touching your face and social distancing.

What is your big fear about masks .

Will you stop this nonsense every day , masks are being recommended now ,WHO are thinking about changing their advice about masks .

If you don't want to wear one fine but leave people to wear one if they want to and stop posting bad advice .

d51984

Anyone wake up to a few bags of shopping on their doorstep this morning? D5 Area, few houses on road got stuff. Was just wondering who its from so we can thank them.

SEPT 23 1989

17% Unemployment rate

construction and everything connected with it since Friday not included in that number

Summer2020

They’re trying to soften us up for longer term restrictions , it’s very obvious. This community care thing that’s being rolled out nationwide is certainly not for the short term. Elderly and vulnerable likely to be cocooned for 3 months minimum , with everyone else gradually getting back to normal in 3-4 weeks time is my guess

Vicxas

Summer2020 wrote: »

They’re trying to soften us up for longer term restrictions , it’s very obvious. This community care thing that’s being rolled out nationwide is certainly not for the short term. Elderly and vulnerable likely to be cocooned for 3 months minimum , with everyone else gradually getting back to normal in 3-4 weeks time is my guess

I reckon it'll be early maybe before restrictions will be softened

Seamai

jackboy wrote: »

A bit of washing up liquid in warm water will kill the virus nicely. No need for the fancy stuff.

Yes, plain soap breaks down the outer fatty wall of the virus, thus killing them.

Rattlehead_ie

bennyl10 wrote: »

If you want your wifi fixed, go to PC,
otherwise he's best ignored

We would be the last person I would go to on Wifi, I mean the very last person EVER!

cameramonkey

Some tests are now being sent abroad to be completed so testing results may start to come through quicker.

https://www.thejournal.ie/reagents-testing-pharma-5064565-Apr2020/

cnocbui

saabsaab wrote: »

That's fine but I've read that microwaves aren't enough to kill it. I guess the heat of water vapour if over 60C should kill it though.

40 seconds has all the water in the sponge at more like 100° C. It's just over kill on my part, the detergent should have been enough to kill the virus anyway.

bekker

MipMap wrote: »

Maybe a stupid question but the politicians are starting to squabble again.


Have any of them taken a pay cut?

No, they work on a mutually agreed upward-only revision basis.

Have always believed that their remuneration levels should be based on fixed (low) ratios of average industrial wage, not on the current incestious relationship with Civil Service pay levels under PSSA.

Summer2020

Summer2020 wrote: »

They’re trying to soften us up for longer term restrictions , it’s very obvious. This community care thing that’s being rolled out nationwide is certainly not for the short term. Elderly and vulnerable likely to be cocooned for 3 months minimum , with everyone else gradually getting back to normal in 3-4 weeks time is my guess

That what I think will happen. But I can also imagine the reaction of the average elderly Irish citizen when asked to stay inside for 3 months.....

ITman88

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

The majority of the job losses will be temporary.

You can’t say that with any confidence

Kivaro

snotboogie wrote: »

A mask will probably help to reduce your odds of catching the virus, a mask will definitely reduce your odds of passing on the virus, even if you don't know you have it.

And the last part is hugely important.
While I do not have stats to back it up, I figure that a sizeable portion of transmissions are from asymptomatic carriers. A mask would make a huge difference to transmission rates. Unfortunately due to the shortage in Ireland, the government is trying to persuade us that they are not necessary for the majority.

Every person in this country should be receiving free masks ..... like they do in other countries. The government failed in its forecasting in both sourcing the masks externally and/or producing them within the country.

Pencil Neck

d51984 wrote: »

Anyone wake up to a few bags of shopping on their doorstep this morning? D5 Area, few houses on road got stuff. Was just wondering who its from so we can thank them.

Ffs! How would anyone here know that?

It sounds like a mis-delivery. Don’t use the food as it’s likely for an aged or infirm person.

Strazdas

cameramonkey wrote: »

Some tests are now being sent abroad to be completed so testing results may start to come through quicker.

https://www.thejournal.ie/reagents-testing-pharma-5064565-Apr2020/

I was reading that Germany have been taking similar measures, even sending tests to many veterinary labs in order to speed up the process.

ITman88

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

17% Unemployment rate

construction and everything connected with it since Friday not included in that number

That is catastrophic

Kermit.de.frog

Harry Palmr wrote: »

They are ramping up mendacious stupidity as we speak

https://twitter.com/KDKA/status/1245353362515787778

Darwin will work well with this one.

ITman88

ITman88 wrote: »

That is catastrophic

And why the restrictions will be eased as soon as is possible (with cocooning for the elderly and at risk)

Discodog

jackboy wrote: »

A bit of washing up liquid in warm water will kill the virus nicely. No need for the fancy stuff.

I've always used Fairly liquid as hand-wash. It's so mild that it's used to clean oil from sea birds.

Strazdas

ITman88 wrote: »

That is catastrophic

For sure, but it needs to be borne in mind that the 'unemployment' rate for the next 2-3 months will be very misleading. Economists say we will need to see the figure in autumn or at Christmas to get any sort of handle on what the impact is.

At the moment, huge numbers of people are 'unemployed' because their companies are not allowed by law to open or do business.

Kermit.de.frog

https://twitter.com/prdthailand/status/1245670818685677569

Cork Boy 53

MipMap wrote: »

Maybe a stupid question but the politicians are starting to squabble again.

Have any of them taken a pay cut?

I hadn`t realised they had stopped squabbling.:rolleyes:

Kermit.de.frog

https://twitter.com/IpsosMORI/status/1245666265026498560

Kermit.de.frog

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

https://twitter.com/prdthailand/status/1245670818685677569

What’s the point of a curfew for 6 hours in the middle of the night? Am I missing something?

eagle eye

If they prevent people from coming in to the country we'll be over this fairly quickly. We need a border with NI and no travel into the country.
A four week lockdown should see the end of it then.

Thelonious Monk

Deleted User wrote: »

What’s the point of a curfew for 6 hours in the middle of the night? Am I missing something?

Maybe it just means there's less chance of things happening that emergency services and police etc will have to respond to.

joeguevara

Deleted User wrote: »

What’s the point of a curfew for 6 hours in the middle of the night? Am I missing something?

Entertainment venues such as bars, clubs, restaurants, pool halls etc.

d51984

Pencil Neck wrote: »

Ffs! How would anyone here know that?

It sounds like a mis-delivery. Don’t use the food as it’s likely for an aged or infirm person.

Keep your g string on there... My mother is old. Lots of houses on road got them. All in brown bags and mostly all eldery people got them.

What do you mean how do you know? Look out your front ****ing door, if theres shopping on doorstep you know..... Stupid comment ffs.


In future if you have nothing usefull to say dont post!!!!

New Home

Deleted User wrote: »

What’s the point of a curfew for 6 hours in the middle of the night? Am I missing something?

Just one of the things that springs to mind, limiting contact with sex workers?

Refractions

MOR316 wrote: »

People who look like that are usually ones out to try and nab your girlfriend/wife

But too nerdy to break out of the Friend Zone.

tobefrank321

Jin luk wrote: »

Eating chicken and pig has been the cause of plenty of deadly influenza outbreaks america and mexico was the cause of 2 of these serious outbreaks.

And as it shows in the movie contagion, the bat does not need to be eating for the virus to transfer ti humans.

Last time i checked this virus only had like 97% RNA to bat coronavirus which means their was another host which a human ate.

So you are ok with Wet Markets?

landofthetree

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1172781

Sweden won't go into lockdown.

Crazy decision.

saabsaab

Masks or no?


Probably best if we all wear one or if you can't get one make it or use a fine mesh scarf, everyone had one of those hanging about.

Funkfield

UrbanFret wrote: »

What were the riding?

Bats, obviously

devnull

Just been a press briefing from the UK Government

Boris Johnson says that he still has symptoms but is ending isolation
https://twitter.com/SamCoatesSky/status/1245686890080190465

What a great example he sets.

landofthetree

eagle eye wrote: »

If they prevent people from coming in to the country we'll be over this fairly quickly. We need a border with NI and no travel into the country.
A four week lockdown should see the end of it then.

No it won't.

We will just get a second wave.

is_that_so

New Home wrote: »

Just one of the things that springs to mind, limiting contact with sex workers?

Yes and other measures!

https://www.sexualwellbeing.ie/sexual-health/sex-and-coronavirus/

ZX7R

Just off the phone with my GP organizing some prescriptions for my son.
I asked him was he busy doing tests or refairals for the viruse surprisingly he said no two weeks ago everybody in his catchment though they had it and he was swamped.
Now he said just the routine patients.
Maybe some areas are not as bad as though.

devnull

landofthetree wrote: »

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1172781

Sweden won't go into lockdown.

Crazy decision.

What is the average age and social care system like in Sweden?

Is there a significant problem to be solved or money to be saved by getting rid of a large number of elderly and sick?

is_that_so

saabsaab wrote: »

Masks or no?


Probably best if we all wear one or if you can't get one make it or use a fine mesh scarf, everyone had one of those hanging about.

From HSE, current advice

Using masks is unlikely to be of any benefit if you are not sick.

Sick people will be advised by their doctor when to use a mask. Healthcare workers need masks and other personal protective equipment to protect them from infection during their work.

jackboy

landofthetree wrote: »

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1172781

Sweden won't go into lockdown.

Crazy decision.

From a purely scientific point of view this will give great data as a comparison to what other countries are doing. I am sure there is a red line though where a u turn will take place if things deteriorate.