CoVid19 Part XII - 4,604 in ROI (137 deaths) 998 in NI (56 deaths)(04/04) **Read OP**

eagle eye

eagle eye wrote: »

We are the 124th most populous country in the world. We are 22nd in number of coronavirus cases.

But most of the counties more populous than us are not recording accurate / any figures. Either by design, or that they have no idea of them

Stheno

eagle eye wrote: »

We are the 124th most populous country in the world. We are 22nd in number of coronavirus cases.

Could back up what the CMO has repeatedly said. We are doing more testing than a lot of countries

Bowlardo

Quantum Erasure wrote: »

punching above our weight, best fans in the world

Ah but you have to factor in we love to travel

cameramonkey

Kivaro wrote: »

Jesus wept.

From the 2015 report:
An experiment that created a hybrid version of a bat coronavirus — one related to the virus that causes SARS (severe acute respiratory syndrome) — has triggered renewed debate over whether engineering lab variants of viruses with possible pandemic potential is worth the risks.

This warning came in 2015.
The Chinese government have some explaining to do.

Update of the report.


"Editors’ note, March 2020: We are aware that this story is being used as the basis for unverified theories that the novel coronavirus causing COVID-19 was engineered. There is no evidence that this is true; scientists believe that an animal is the most likely source of the coronavirus"

Funsterdelux

That floor on rte 1 is filthy with corona

Quantum Erasure

IrishHomer wrote: »

Just thinking as I watched the daily media news update on COVD on RTE.

The numbers of new cases are two weeks old!

I'm waiting 11 days on test results

they'll be sending some of the tests to Germany to speed up processing, should be through the backlog in around 10 days

Multipass

Ger Roe wrote: »

Just announced on RTE 1 news that De Taoish reckons state exams are still going to happen.

I am glad my teenager is in TY year - the current situation of all of us cooped up together for 24 hrs with two of us trying to work from home, is not a great environment to be trying to study in. Also they have missed several weeks of school teaching already and are under a kind of stress that no other exam candidates have had to endure in the history of the state.

How fair is it to put them through an exam in or around an environment of death, job loss, and home confinement? It will be even more cruel to keep the party line going that the exams are continuing only to call them off at the last minute, as I still suspect will happen.

As I said, I am glad it's not a state exam year for my family.

My son is in leaving cert and is working his butt off. I hope the exams go ahead, I really do. I can’t see what will happen with college admissions if they don’t. I don’t see why they can’t use primary schools as extra exam centres, space them out more, don’t allow congregation afterwards. I would certainly volunteer to invigilate.

willowthewisp

eagle eye wrote: »

We are the 124th most populous country in the world. We are 22nd in number of coronavirus cases.

Isn’t it varying related to when the outbreak started in a particular country, clusters , when lockdown is implemented etc. There will be lots of variables and we’ll only really enable to tell all when it’s all over and complete data sets are available.

Away With The Fairies

Happy4all wrote: »

Yes

Would we still have immunity or do we need a top up?

eagle eye

Deleted User wrote:

But most of the counties more populous than us are not recording accurate / any figures. Either by design, or that they have no idea of them

And are we? Have you looked at the number of deaths on rip.ie the last couple of days. Well above the average amount at about 130 per day and all deaths are not put up on rip.ie.

Kermit.de.frog

Must have been a mistake with Florida's fatalities today. Was 209 and now 27 for the day so far.

182 deaths in New Jersey.

willowthewisp

Multipass wrote: »

My son is in leaving cert and is working his butt off. I hope the exams go ahead, I really do. I can’t see what will happen with college admissions if they don’t. I don’t see why they can’t use primary schools as extra exam centres, space them out more, don’t allow congregation afterwards. I would certainly volunteer to invigilate.

Agreed , and what’s the alternative. Everyone start the year again? Lose a year? Also everyone is in the same boat, so if performance is affected points wise, it will probably be consistent across the board.

jackboy

cameramonkey wrote: »

Update of the report.


"Editors’ note, March 2020: We are aware that this story is being used as the basis for unverified theories that the novel coronavirus causing COVID-19 was engineered. There is no evidence that this is true; scientists believe that an animal is the most likely source of the coronavirus"

Well that note is not going to help. Admitting they don’t know the virus origin.

Rob A. Bank

A page of very detailed global interactive graphs and visualizations for the data hogs.

Coronavirus Disease (COVID-19) – the data

statesaver

Could the Government just cancel the Junior Cert and use that extra space for social distancing of Leaving Cert students.

Inquitus

froog wrote: »

the median is better as it lessens the effect of outliers. for example a single death of a 10 year old would skew the average a lot. not so with the median.

The median is crap, you could have 9 10yos die 1 93yo and 9 94yos, the Median would be 93 and truly unreflective of what happened.

10000maniacs

eagle eye wrote: »

We are the 124th most populous country in the world. We are 22nd in number of coronavirus cases.

That just means we are doing more testing than say the African or Arabian countries with low figures.

gozunda

Strazdas wrote: »

This is where the antibody test might come into play. There may come a day soon when every person in Ireland is given the antibody test (I believe it only costs €5 or something).

On that. A specialist in infectious diseases interviewed on the radio the other day stated that the presence of antibodies does not necessarily mean that a person has developed immunity.

An antibody test will simply indicate whether the person has been infected at some point or not.

ITman88

Inquitus wrote: »

The median is crap, you could have 9 10yos die 1 93yo and 9 94yos, the Median would be 93 and truly unreflective of what happened.

You could but we don’t have 9 10yo die

boardz

On average I prefer the median

RugbyLad11

eagle eye wrote: »

We are the 124th most populous country in the world. We are 22nd in number of coronavirus cases.

But they some people seem to think our government are doing a great job

RugbyLad11

Deleted User wrote: »

But most of the counties more populous than us are not recording accurate / any figures. Either by design, or that they have no idea of them

But sure you could say the same for us

Rob A. Bank

A sad milestone on the Covid-19 road, with more to come as the infection graphs are exponential in many countries.

Coronavirus Cases: 1,000,889

of which 37,702 in severe condition

Deaths: 51,371

Recovered: 210,214

The coronavirus COVID-19 is affecting 204 countries and territories

According to https://virusncov.com/

froog

Inquitus wrote: »

The median is crap, you could have 9 10yos die 1 93yo and 9 94yos, the Median would be 93 and truly unreflective of what happened.

and the mean would be 54, which is much less accurate. none of the people are even close to 54.

Ger Roe

Deleted User wrote: »

He has to say that, even if they are not. Otherwise everyone just stops doing any study for the rest of the year.

So it's fair game to put additional mental pressure on our young people in a time of global crisis? Nothing else is certain at the moment, but we are certain that the exams will be going ahead kids. Even if they aren't...

Not a good mental health policy there.

Stheno

Inquitus wrote: »

The median is crap, you could have 9 10yos die 1 93yo and 9 94yos, the Median would be 93 and truly unreflective of what happened.

I thought the median was that half those who died were over that age and half were under?

Is your calculation not the mean?

Inquitus

Stheno wrote: »

I thought the median was that half those who died were over that age and half were under?

Is your calculation not the mean?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Median

gipi

eagle eye wrote: »

And are we? Have you looked at the number of deaths on rip.ie the last couple of days. Well above the average amount at about 130 per day and all deaths are not put up on rip.ie.

I noticed that too

Genghis

boardz wrote: »

On average I prefer the median

I know what you mean

johnnyskeleton

splashuum wrote: »

2015 article where a virology lab in Wuhan was testing a "bat" based coronavirus

[URL="https://www.nature.com/news/engineered-bat-virus-stirs-debate-over-risky-research-1.18787?fbclid=IwAR28hFcpP6l-2SkWh8CPUj5UT9yZQqU7aEgzJvtC4ksnZkRYNS3oWd0dw2g#/ref-link-2

https://twitter.com/NatureNews/status/666158895149264897"]https://www.nature.com/news/engineered-bat-virus-stirs-debate-over-risky-research-1.18787?fbclid=IwAR28hFcpP6l-2SkWh8CPUj5UT9yZQqU7aEgzJvtC4ksnZkRYNS3oWd0dw2g#/ref-link-2

https://twitter.com/NatureNews/status/666158895149264897[/URL]

2015 tweet stating the same https://twitter.com/NatureNews/status/666158895149264897?fbclid=IwAR3L3h2QjUjBEW7-PlsfO7cHFVoWi2ZjbNhbHS12WENdBntHS8fc-07oUmQ

First line of the online article, being the only relevant part:

Editors’ note, March 2020: We are aware that this story is being used as the basis for unverified theories that the novel coronavirus causing COVID-19 was engineered. There is no evidence that this is true; scientists believe that an animal is the most likely source of the coronavirus.

ChikiChiki

RugbyLad11 wrote: »

But they some people seem to think our government are doing a great job

They are doing a good job. Think of all the failed states, tinpot dictatorships and general ****holes that constitute "other countries". Like fcuk are they reporting accurately.

Beasty

Inquitus wrote: »

The median is crap, you could have 9 10yos die 1 93yo and 9 94yos, the Median would be 93 and truly unreflective of what happened.

It works for larger populations though and unfortunately the numbers are going to be increasing. Hence you may get that sort of distortion in daily figures but it's much less likely a problem with the cumulative totals

dougm1970

over a million confirmed cases worldwide

Cork Boy 53

boardz wrote: »

On average I prefer the median

Do you mean that?

JPCN1

eagle eye wrote: »

We are the 124th most populous country in the world. We are 22nd in number of coronavirus cases.

We are testing more per head of population than most, therefore showing more cases I presume.

Tippex

s1ippy wrote: »

Where are you reading that? Also nobody has called it the Inter Cert since the 70s so there goes any credibility you had as an education spokesperson.

that's wrong it was still the Inter cert when I done it in 89 it became the junior cert that year with the first exam in 92.

Ha Long Bay

ChikiChiki wrote: »

They are doing a good job. Think of all the failed states, tinpot dictatorships and general ****holes that constitute "other countries". Like fcuk are they reporting accurately.

India is only reporting 2,341 confirmed cases which is almost 1500 less than Ireland. I'd say they have a few more than that at this stage.

magma69

eagle eye wrote: »

We are the 124th most populous country in the world. We are 22nd in number of coronavirus cases.

It's the nuance of your post that makes it great.

DenMan

DenMan wrote: »

George Lee's last couple of sentences mentioned that some PPE that arrived from China was not what was expected ..
Sounds like a way of not reporting on defective medical equipment that we like other European countries got from China.

Yep, as I predicted.

cameramonkey

jackboy wrote: »

Well that note is not going to help. Admitting they don’t know the virus origin.

No one knows that source of the virus admitting that is not a state secret.

otnomart

DOCARCH wrote: »

Saw on BBC the other day France were to start adding figures for nursing home deaths.

The data on Ehpad nurning homes in France has just been published, and unfortunately it is quite high

https://www.bfmtv.com/sante/coronavirus-salomon-annonce-au-moins-884-morts-dans-les-ehpad-1887357.html

magma69

magma69 wrote: »

It's the nuance of your post that makes it great.

You win the internet today!

cameramonkey

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

Do you mean that?

That is his normal mode.

cameramonkey

Deleted User wrote: »

Yep, as I predicted.

What did you predict?

stephenjmcd

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Yep, as I predicted.

Again from rte
"On personal protective equipment, Mr Varadkar says that the PPE being brought into the country is up to standard, and if there are problems they want to hear about it. He says it consistently checked for quality"

I watched Leo's press conference and they said yes there is a different look and feel to the ppe than some healthcare staff might be used to but it is being quality checked.

boardise

Naggdefy wrote: »

Gordon Elliott and the effects on horse racing on rte news.. My heart bleeds.. I thought the scenes from Italy and Spain were sad.

As a follower of Irish racing all my life I'm dismayed to see a gratuitously dismissive remark like this. Any sport can seem trivial when set against the current scene of crisis . That's no reason to dismiss the worries people in the
sector have about their jobs and livelihoods.
Apart from employing tens of thousands in direct and spin-off activities , Irish racing brings in considerable income to the country for sales/breeding exports .
Ireland sits at the top table for every facet of equine sport and earns great reputational kudos among the international community therefrom. Rather than belittle racing's contribution to the national story we should be justly proud of it.

Kermit.de.frog

boardz wrote: »

On average I prefer the median

You win the thread for today.

blackcard

Ger Roe wrote: »

Just announced on RTE 1 news that De Taoish reckons state exams are still going to happen.

I am glad my teenager is in TY year - the current situation of all of us cooped up together for 24 hrs with two of us trying to work from home, is not a great environment to be trying to study in. Also they have missed several weeks of school teaching already and are under a kind of stress that no other exam candidates have had to endure in the history of the state.

How fair is it to put them through an exam in or around an environment of death, job loss, and home confinement? It will be even more cruel to keep the party line going that the exams are continuing only to call them off at the last minute, as I still suspect will happen.

As I said, I am glad it's not a state exam year for my family.

It is a tough one. How do you decide who goes to third level colleges in the next school year? You can't ask everyone to repeat a year. I don't think that there will be a problem in allowing first, second and third year third level students to progress to the following year. But I think that if it is possible at all, exams will be held for the leaving certificate and final year at third level even if they are deferred until August. The only other option would be for teachers and lecturers to grade students which would open up a can of worms

is_that_so

Some thoughts on the Austrian mask plan.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/coronavirus-austrian-supermarket-mask-rule-divides-experts-1.4219300

stephenjmcd

I dont see any mention online anywhere that swabs were sent to Germany and was never mentioned by the CMO. It's not even in RTEs live updates.

If they were sending swabs surely they would say it when asked about capacity and not leave it to Geroge lee to mention on air ?