CoVid19 Part XII - 4,604 in ROI (137 deaths) 998 in NI (56 deaths)(04/04) **Read OP**

davedanon

magma69 wrote: »

It's the nuance of your post that makes it great.

"But they some people seem to think our government are doing a great job"


He knows his audience.

r93kaey5p2izun

I personally think our death figures are a concern already. There are several other countries doing a lot better. Yes, there are others far worse too, but why are we not at the better end of things? What has gone wrong for us in that regard? And if we are testing more than most other countries, as claimed, then our death rate is likely to be more accurate (not fully accurate obviously) and their deaths rates even lower if they're missing proportionally more cases. Norway, Czechia, Australia, Poland for example. Their death rates are a lot lower than ours.

is_that_so

blackcard wrote: »

It is a tough one. How do you decide who goes to third level colleges in the next school year? You can't ask everyone to repeat a year. I don't think that there will be a problem in allowing first, second and third year third level students to progress to the following year. But I think that if it is possible at all, exams will be held for the leaving certificate and final year at third level even if they are deferred until August. The only other option would be for teachers and lecturers to grade students which would open up a can of worms

I think the LC is the crunch one as it fits into everything else, not just college plus as you say, students having to put their lives on hold for a whole year.

speckle

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

BCG? Is that a vaccine we got when small?

http://www.bcgatlas.org/


https://www.forbes.com/sites/ericmack/2020/03/31/a-vaccine-from-the-1920s-could-help-fight-the-coronavirus-pandemic/

https://www.mpg.de/14610776/immune-boost-corona-virus

think Ireland has had problems sourcing the bcg since 2015

thinks wibbs mentioned this earlier like him I have an innate immunity. could we give plasma. would that help. dont know but willingly.

expectationlost

stephenjmcd wrote: »

I dont see any mention online anywhere that swabs were sent to Germany and was never mentioned by the CMO. It's not even in RTEs live updates.

If they were sending swabs surely they would say it when asked about capacity and not leave it to Geroge lee to mention on air ?

Paul Reid mentioned it this morning at about 5 minutes https://ift.tt/2JxeJQ7 .mp3

UrbanFret

Naggdefy wrote: »

Gordon Elliott and the effects on horse racing on rte news.. My heart bleeds.. I thought the scenes from Italy and Spain were sad.

We get it you're not a horse racing fan. Time to let go.

Funsterdelux

is_that_so wrote: »

Some thoughts on the Austrian mask plan.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/coronavirus-austrian-supermarket-mask-rule-divides-experts-1.4219300

blackcard

Multipass wrote: »

My son is in leaving cert and is working his butt off. I hope the exams go ahead, I really do. I can’t see what will happen with college admissions if they don’t. I don’t see why they can’t use primary schools as extra exam centres, space them out more, don’t allow congregation afterwards. I would certainly volunteer to invigilate.

I agree that they should go ahead. There are a lot of conference centres and function rooms in hotels available also

Kermit.de.frog

Plenty of willing victims being prepared across America it seems.

BanditLuke

boardise wrote: »

As a follower of Irish racing all my life I'm dismayed to see a gratuitously dismissive remark like this. Any sport can seem trivial when set against the current scene of crisis . That's no reason to dismiss the worries people in the
sector have about their jobs and livelihoods.
Apart from employing tens of thousands in direct and spin-off activities , Irish racing brings in considerable income to the country for sales/breeding exports .
Ireland sits at the top table for every facet of equine sport and earns great reputational kudos among the international community therefrom. Rather than belittle racing's contribution to the national story we should be justly proud of it.

Personally I hope the horse racing "industry" is decimated by this.

Bob24

otnomart wrote: »

The data on Ehpad nurning homes in France has just been published, and unfortunately it is quite high

https://www.bfmtv.com/sante/coronavirus-salomon-annonce-au-moins-884-morts-dans-les-ehpad-1887357.html

And it is important to note that as per the article those deaths haven’t been included in the official figures published by French authorities.

I.e. they can be added to the total death count for France meaning French actual figures have been roughly 20% higher than originally reported :-(

stephenjmcd

expectationlost wrote: »

Paul Reid mentioned it this morning at about 5 minutes https://ift.tt/2JxeJQ7 .mp3

Thanks, I was looking for it from the press conference, didn't realise it was said this morning. Thanks for that

Hurrache

boardise wrote: »

As a follower of Irish racing all my life I'm dismayed to see a gratuitously dismissive remark like this. Any sport can seem trivial when set against the current scene of crisis . That's no reason to dismiss the worries people in the
sector have about their jobs and livelihoods.
Apart from employing tens of thousands in direct and spin-off activities , Irish racing brings in considerable income to the country for sales/breeding exports .
Ireland sits at the top table for every facet of equine sport and earns great reputational kudos among the international community therefrom. Rather than belittle racing's contribution to the national story we should be justly proud of it.

It's gets huge amounts of tax payers money, it can do without it for another few years.

Cody montana

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Plenty of willing victims being prepared across America it seems.

And when they get sick who will they blame?

RugbyLad11

RugbyLad11 wrote: »

But they some people seem to think our government are doing a great job

They are doing a great job, one of the best in the world.

Gynoid

Re BCG
relates to TB
Saw this tweet.
I think for the people who are saying quarantine is ridiculous, if you found out that the old enemy TB was suddenly running rampant in the developed world in a way it had not done in a very long time, wouldn't you be thinking it right to shut up shop for a while to try and stop it?

https://twitter.com/MaxCRoser/status/1245613419446693889?s=19

Shelly66

woohoo!!! wrote: »

Just on the CMOs point about lack of people in hospitals, well they clearly think they're better off taking their chances at home. And unless they know that the place they're going to does not have covid patients and staff that have no contact at all, with covid patients, then it's hard to criticise them for not turning up. Also for some, they'd prefer to pass away in the comfort of their own home.

My post this morning page 484 Aunt was tested before going to heart ward in Dublin city hospital. Tested negative. Assume they tested all patients before moving to wards in main hospital. Now a patient on ward has covid and they have to test all patients. Still waiting to hear. So no I would avoid hospital at all costs if possible.

Nibs05

Are we clapping too at 8pm or is this a UK thing

h2005

eagle eye wrote: »

We are the 124th most populous country in the world. We are 22nd in number of coronavirus cases.

Where do we rank in testing? It's meaningless unless everyone is testing at the same rate

rameire

statesaver wrote: »

Could the Government just cancel the Junior Cert and use that extra space for social distancing of Leaving Cert students.

That actually is the plan B.
it will be implemented if normality does not return.

cameramonkey

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Thanks, I was looking for it from the press conference, didn't realise it was said this morning. Thanks for that

think he also said we are now testing(processing) 2500 per day.

davedanon

Cody montana wrote: »

And when they get sick who will they blame?

Obama. And the libtards.

Christy42

Cody montana wrote: »

And when they get sick who will they blame?

Liberals obviously. And China. Never themselves. Never their own stupidity.

Boggles

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Plenty of willing victims being prepared across America it seems.

Hardly a surprise, when the poor guy charged with dealing with it all over there has to have round the clock security because of death threats.

Heighway61

Feel a bit sorry for the carer's who will be asked to go in to nursing homes. From clipping toenails, making tea and bringing in the coal to the front line of the front line.

Wonder which module of the Level 5 covered this?

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/families-asked-to-step-in-while-carers-temporarily-deployed-to-plug-staffing-gaps-991833.html

ihdxwz4a3pem9j

Stheno wrote: »

I thought the median was that half those who died were over that age and half were under?

Is your calculation not the mean?

Mean is the conventional average (I.e. add up all the ages, and divide by the number of patients). Median is the value of the patient in the middle (I.e. the age of the person who is older than 50% of the other patients and younger than 50% of patients. There are statistical reasons for selecting one over the other. If all form a natural cluster within an approximate range (I don’t want to get too technical, but the ages follow normal distribution), then you can use the mean. But if there are a few results which are significantly different than the others results (e.g. the majority of patients are in their 70s, but there are 2 patients under 30), then the mean will be significantly affected by those outliers, and the mean age will not give a true representation of the patient population. In most cases, the distribution is not normal, and hence median is an appropriate descriptive statistic

statesaver

Cody montana wrote: »

And when they get sick who will they blame?

China.

Cody montana

davedanon wrote: »

Obama. And the libtards.

Kind of reminds me of this story from last week.

“Christian pastor who labelled #COVIDー19 anti-Trump 'mass hysteria' just died from the virus

Landon Spradlin, a musical evangelist and a pastor of several churches over the years, is one of the first deaths of the Covid-19 virus in Virginia.”

owlbethere

Is there any history given with today's cases?

Any associated with:
Travel?
Clusters?
Community spread?

cameramonkey

Tanner Cold Needlepoint wrote: »

They are doing a great job, one of the best in the world.

I think they are trying to do a good job but the testing situation is not one of the best in the world. Getting the PPE from China was a good move and hopefully we can build capacity in critical care and ICU. The messages to stay in and social distances have been strong.The HSEs inability until today to publish coherent ICU bed numbers was strange and the fact they only publish testing numbers once a week leaves everyone guessing about their motive for this as well as the numbers. A lot of their conferences seem more spin oriented than anything else.

BanditLuke

BanditLuke wrote: »

Personally I hope the horse racing "industry" is decimated by this.

Disgusting comment. I’m sure plenty would laugh at you too if you end up out of work or your hobby/pastime was got rid off. I would shed no tear for you anyway with an attitude like yours.

twirlagig

I don’t know about these school examinations going ahead... this is not a normal time for anyone. Past month-2 months has changed Ireland so much.
There’ll be grandparents, maybe parents, possibly siblings that may possibly die from this.

owlbethere

I read a few pages back that the PPE that came from china is not great. George Lee put another spin on it saying it wasn't as expected. So what happens now with the PPE. Surely it can't be used if it's not appropriate.

I'm disgusted now at the Chinese if I wasn't before. Can they not have some quality checks before it's sent out?

Is there any back up plan? Maybe factories can help with some cleanroom wear?

cameramonkey

owlbethere wrote: »

I read a few pages back that the PPE that came from china is not great. George Lee put another spin on it saying it wasn't as expected. So what happens now with the PPE. Surely it can't be used if it's not appropriate.

I'm disgusted now at the Chinese if I wasn't before. Can they not have some quality checks before it's sent out?

Is there any back up plan? Maybe factories can help with some cleanroom wear?

You read an anonymous post on the internet and you believe it? Any actual links or information to substantiate the claim?

Achasanai

cameramonkey wrote: »

I think they are trying to do a good job but the testing situation is not one of the best in the world. Getting the PPE from China was a good move and hopefully we can build capacity in critical care and ICU. The messages to stay in and social distances have been strong.The HSEs inability until today to publish coherent ICU bed numbers was strange and the fact they only publish testing numbers once a week leaves everyone guessing about their motive for this as well as the numbers. A lot of their conferences seem more spin oriented than anything else.

Agree, there seems to be tendency among some for it to be black or white, any criticism of how the government has been handling this is dismissed entirely. They have been strong in some areas, but have been lacking in others.

beggars_bush

woohoo!!! wrote: »

Just on the CMOs point about lack of people in hospitals, well they clearly think they're better off taking their chances at home. And unless they know that the place they're going to does not have covid patients and staff that have no contact at all, with covid patients, then it's hard to criticise them for not turning up. Also for some, they'd prefer to pass away in the comfort of their own home.

Or that an awful lot of people who usually turn up to hospitals are there on spurious reasons

Johnny1999

owlbethere wrote: »

I read a few pages back that the PPE that came from china is not great. George Lee put another spin on it saying it wasn't as expected. So what happens now with the PPE. Surely it can't be used if it's not appropriate.

I'm disgusted now at the Chinese if I wasn't before. Can they not have some quality checks before it's sent out?

Is there any back up plan? Maybe factories can help with some cleanroom wear?

The problem with using Chinese manufacturers is that you have to either have a representative in the factory checking it’s what was ordered or be there yourself!

Ace2007

owlbethere wrote: »

I read a few pages back that the PPE that came from china is not great. George Lee put another spin on it saying it wasn't as expected. So what happens now with the PPE. Surely it can't be used if it's not appropriate.

I'm disgusted now at the Chinese if I wasn't before. Can they not have some quality checks before it's sent out?

Is there any back up plan? Maybe factories can help with some cleanroom wear?

Not as expected, does not mean it doesn't meet the standards. Could have a different feel to it, but could still be appropriate.

JP Liz V1

stephenjmcd wrote: »

I dont see any mention online anywhere that swabs were sent to Germany and was never mentioned by the CMO. It's not even in RTEs live updates.

If they were sending swabs surely they would say it when asked about capacity and not leave it to Geroge lee to mention on air ?

Have we only one lab here to analysis the tests?

I also have seen nothing on line about tests going to Germany

cameramonkey

beggars_bush wrote: »

Or that an awful lot of people who usually turn up to hospitals are there on spurious reasons

I think we always knew that. Too many people turn up because they have mental health issues, substance abuse issues or have injured themselves when drunk. That is my experience of A and E.

People also smoke or eat too much or dont exercise, they end up there eventually.

What do we do about it is the real question?

SleetAndSnow

https://twitter.com/WanessaTatiani/status/1245775575018606592?s=20

Hate images like these

wakka12

eagle eye wrote: »

We are the 124th most populous country in the world. We are 22nd in number of coronavirus cases.

In reality we are nowhere near 22nd though. Think Ireland really has more cases than INdia, Pakistan, Indonesia, Thailand? Ireland just tests a lot more than most countries

shesty

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

Tony Holohan said that if you have symptoms and are concerned contact medical professionals as you would usually.

If you have chest pains and think you are having a heart attack don't wait a while to see if it goes away call an ambulance.

They are concerned that people are dieing or are sick from illnesses not related to covid 19. From heart attacks, cancers, strokes and the like.

I had reason to ring my GP today - checked their website first as they are directing you to 2 different forms to fill out first, then they ring you back.

I also checked it last week due to a sick child. Today, a pop up message came up first thing when I opened the page - they are hearing that people are staying away in order not to put medical services under pressure, and they are telling people not to stay away - to contact as usual if they have anything they need checked up and that there are extra resources in the surgery to cover them. It obviously is a noticeable issue and doctors are worried about it.

wakka12

SleetAndSnow wrote: »

https://twitter.com/WanessaTatiani/status/1245775575018606592?s=20

Hate images like these

Brazil is on course to be on the worst affected countries. Once measures take effect in europe, the pandemic will be centred on USA, Brazil and Turkey I would imagine

Outlaw Pete

Christy42 wrote: »

Liberals obviously. And China. Never themselves. Never their own stupidity.

You say that is if it's only conservatives in fly over states or something who are not social distancing, but that's far from the case:


https://twitter.com/hrtablaze/status/1244664048475492352

https://twitter.com/westmemphispd/status/1244619316886200321


Thousands of people have died in the US and thousands are more likely too. Now's maybe not the best time for the partisan sneering.

threeball

cameramonkey wrote: »

I think we always knew that. Too many people turn up because they have mental health issues, substance abuse issues or have injured themselves when drunk. That is my experience of A and E.

People also smoke or eat too much or dont exercise, they end up there eventually.

What do we do about it is the real question?

GP's need to get back to being GP's and not constantly worrying about ambulance chasing solicitors up and down the country. That will sort out a&e and crazy insurance rates once those fcukers are tackled.

Bobtheman

Will restrictions be lifted after the 2 weeks expires ??

me89

Bobtheman wrote: »

Will restrictions be lifted after the 2 weeks expires ??

No chance

billybonkers

Bobtheman wrote: »

Will restrictions be lifted after the 2 weeks expires ??

Very unlikely

Ace2007

Bobtheman wrote: »

Will restrictions be lifted after the 2 weeks expires ??

What do you think