CoVid19 Part XII - 4,604 in ROI (137 deaths) 998 in NI (56 deaths)(04/04) **Read OP**

Naggdefy

That French total shatters every death total worldwide. And from a relatively low infection rate compared to US and peak Italy.

Kermit.de.frog

Funsterdelux wrote: »

Technically Im a millennial and I can peel a spud, I made a sweet potato curry lastnight.
I think the definition is flexible though

Technically i'm a frog and I can't peel a spud either.

I think the definition is flexible though.

igCorcaigh

Naggdefy wrote: »

What happened in France today..

2116 new cases and 1355 new deaths in France [source]

I can't find a source now, but a change in counting methodology, and those new deaths weren't all in the past 24h

screamer

Naggdefy wrote: »

What happened in France today..

2116 new cases and 1355 new deaths in France [source]

800+ deaths in nursing homes due to coronavirus that they conveniently forgot to report before, so a huge spike that’s not really a spike. BTW we have people dying in nursing homes here too who are not even being sent to hospitals and I’ve no idea if these deaths are reported in our official figures either.

amadangomor

Naggdefy wrote: »

That French total shatters every death total worldwide. And from a relatively low infection rate compared to US and peak Italy.

Was it more about adding deaths from the nursing homes from previous days to the total than an actual daily total?

Can anyone clarify before it is overhyped please ?

Roger_007

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

EDIT: this already mentioned by Naggdefy

France has just officially broken smashed the new death figures for a day after including nursing home deaths.

+1355

Why would they not have included nursing home deaths before now.?

Jim_Hodge

amadangomor wrote: »

Who knows but with their type of government i.e very little freedom and also their restrictions on going abroad they are better equipped than most.

Huge contacts with China though.

Naggdefy

Naggdefy wrote: »

That French total shatters every death total worldwide. And from a relatively low infection rate compared to US and peak Italy.

Didn’t they add the cumulative nursing home totals from the last few days to the number today?

paleoperson

Clown professor on Prime Time still trying to argue masks don't work and the fool public would end up infecting themselves.

Sierra Oscar

Roger_007 wrote: »

Why would they not have included nursing home deaths before now.?

Different method of recording deaths. Nursing home deaths don't occur in hospitals so weren't being picked up.

It's the same in other areas too, the UK for example.

Roger_007

Roger_007 wrote: »

Why would they not have included nursing home deaths before now.?

No country has been.

Naggdefy

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Technically i'm a frog and I can't peel a spud either.

I think the definition is flexible though.

I'm a Neanderthal and I eat them skin and all Peeling is time consuming. (having said that I've a fair bit of time on my hands)

caveat emptor

They've removed the breakdown for health care worker transmission.

Hope they don't remove anything else tomorrow.

https://www.hpsc.ie/a-z/respiratory/coronavirus/novelcoronavirus/casesinireland/COVID-19%20Epidemiology%20report%20for%20NPHET%2001.04.2020_website%20version.pdf

MadYaker

No cases in North Korea?? What’s their secret?!

macmahon

igCorcaigh wrote: »

It doesn't, but other Coronaviruses cause mild respiratory symptoms like the common cold. Nowhere tests for them. These tests are for CV19

So if the test comes back negative for CV19 then you should just presume that if your feeling unwell with symptoms then you just have a different strain of coronavirus then. Thanks

cnocbui

Roger_007 wrote: »

Why would they not have included nursing home deaths before now.?

Because it would look bad?

MadYaker

macmahon wrote: »

So if the test comes back negative for CV19 then you should just presume that if your feeling unwell with symptoms then you just have a different strain of coronavirus then. Thanks

Or it could be flu

cnocbui

MadYaker wrote: »

No cases in North Korea?? What’s their secret?!

How do yo know how many cases there are in NK?

Kermit.de.frog

igCorcaigh

igCorcaigh wrote: »

I can't find a source now, but a change in counting methodology, and those new deaths weren't all in the past 24h

To add, from guardian blog:

French death toll rises by 471
The number of coronavirus deaths in hospitals in France has reached 4,503, an increase of 471 in 24 hours, slightly fewer than in previous days, Kim Willsher reports from Paris.

Added to the figure, however, are an estimated 884 deaths in retirement and care homes given for the first time. The head of France’s national health authority, Jérôme Salomon, also said the figures from non-hospital health establishments were only partial.

Funsterdelux

Naggdefy wrote: »

What happened in France today..

2116 new cases and 1355 new deaths in France [source]

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Technically i'm a frog and I can't peel a spud either.

I think the definition is flexible though.

Not a good day for frogs

splinter65

MadYaker wrote: »

No cases in North Korea?? What’s their secret?!

Easy

Strazdas

screamer wrote: »

800+ deaths in nursing homes due to coronavirus that they conveniently forgot to report before, so a huge spike that’s not really a spike. BTW we have people dying in nursing homes here too who are not even being sent to hospitals and I’ve no idea if these deaths are reported in our official figures either.

They are in fact : Dr Holohan says they are recording all nursing home deaths

igCorcaigh

macmahon wrote: »

So if the test comes back negative for CV19 then you should just presume that if your feeling unwell with symptoms then you just have a different strain of coronavirus then. Thanks

Or any other mild respiratory illness. Could be bacterial. Or another virus. Many agents can cause cold like or flu like symptoms.

Roger_007

cnocbui wrote: »

How do yo know how many cases there are in NK?

They were being advised by Donald Trump at an early stage on how to deal with the virus............you just call it flu, and then nobody gets coronavirus!

take everything

RTE talking about the pros and cons of masks.
Unsurprisingly, the virologist from Trinity slow to recommend them while many countries now recommending/mandating them.

Funsterdelux

Whats this lady on primetime got against masks.

They thought us how to wash our hands

They thought us how to keep our distance

They can teach us how to wear a f00king mask

Naggdefy

If a lot of other countries release nursing home deaths like France, it will be sobering to say the least.

BanditLuke

paleoperson wrote: »

Clown professor on Prime Time still trying to argue masks don't work and the fool public would end up infecting themselves.

They are giving them out free to people in other countries. In Ireland they apparently are charging 8 euro for a single crappy cloth one in the pharmacy

Gael23

There will be a huge surge next week due to tests being shipped to Germany for analysis. That will interfere with reporting figures

splinter65

cnocbui wrote: »

How do yo know how many cases there are in NK?

The Leader has spoken

bekker

Simple chart of COVID-19 deaths in Ireland since 11th. March.

Black Total
Green East
Red South
Blue West
Yellow N. West

New Home

Wibbs wrote: »

My hall table agrees.

Whatever you do, don't listen to the loo, it talks s***e.

New Home

screamer wrote: »

800+ deaths in nursing homes due to coronavirus that they conveniently forgot to report before, so a huge spike that’s not really a spike. BTW we have people dying in nursing homes here too who are not even being sent to hospitals and I’ve no idea if these deaths are reported in our official figures either.

amadangomor wrote: »

Was it more about adding deaths from the nursing homes from previous days to the total than an actual daily total?
Can anyone clarify before it is overhyped please ?

It might look like a spike because it was only added today in one go, but it doesn't change the fact that these are still people who died with/because of Covid19. And I do think that if lots of those who died with Covid19 had not caught it, they would have in all likelihood lived a good few years more, so, to me, they died because of Covid19.

MadYaker wrote: »

No cases in North Korea?? What’s their secret?!

If I were to hazard a guess, I'd say it's because they deal with infected cases the same way the Daleks would. No living infected cases, nothing to report.

Logan Roy

That line is orange not red

cnocbui

Strazdas wrote: »

In fairness, very little was known about the virus and transmission at that stage. There was talk from scientists you would need to spend around 15 minutes with a person before you could catch Covid from them.

That is only if they didn't cough or sneeze in that time. If they do either of those uncovered, you get it 0.1 second later, never mind 15 min.

amadangomor

Gael23 wrote: »

There will be a huge surge next week due to tests being shipped to Germany for analysis. That will interfere with reporting figures

That's a good thing, we will get more accurate figures of who is positive.

As Tony said the numbers are more about knowing who to use contact tracing on to identify more people to be tested/self isolate.

Are you saying it is a bad thing to have more data?

take everything

Funsterdelux wrote: »

Whats this lady on primetime got against masks.

They thought us how to wash our hands

They thought us how to keep our distance

They can teach us how to wear a f00king mask

It's simply bull**** like I always thought.
If they'd just be straight that it's a supply issue I'd have far more respect for them.

Kermit.de.frog

Naggdefy wrote: »

If a lot of other countries release nursing home deaths like France, it will be sobering to say the least.

The Economist had an article on this today actually (not just nursing homes)



https://twitter.com/J_CD_T/status/1245739663421292544

cnocbui

splinter65 wrote: »

The Leader has spoken

Sounds more like 4 gunshots than intelligible speech.

Naggdefy

I'm thankful to be in my mid 40s.

I don't fear growing old for dying. I fear it for the loss of control I'll have over the fundamentals of life. I fear it for the loss of dignity, others cleaning me, helping me with going to the toilet, or when I can't make the toilet.

I want to live to a mobile self sufficient 100 and die in my sleep with a clear conscience. Am I asking for too much

macmahon

MadYaker wrote: »

Or it could be flu

Yes thankyou. I think it is very important for people to be very mindful of all wording that all media use during a plandemic. Coronavirus is just not Covid19 it also can be flu and just a cold (SARS),(MERS) etc, etc

Hrududu

take everything wrote: »

It's simply bull**** like I always thought.
If they'd just be straight that it's a supply issue I'd have far more respect for them.

Yeah, like a lot of people I think if masks were in plentiful supply they’d be advising us to wear them.

Gael23

amadangomor wrote: »

That's a good thing, we will get more accurate figures of who is positive.

As Tony said the numbers are more about knowing who to use contact tracing on to identify more people to be tested/self isolate.

Are you saying it is a bad thing to have more data?

Depending when the tests were done, some of the patients are likely well on the way to recovery but being reported as new cases

10000maniacs

That French figure is kind of scary.

splinter65

10000maniacs wrote: »

That French figure is kind of scary.

My brother is in France near the Swiss border he and his two little girls have had it and were quite sick but his wife didn’t get it at all, or if she did she had just an irritating cough.

MipMap

Funsterdelux wrote: »

Whats this lady on primetime got against masks.

They thought us how to wash our hands
They thought us how to keep our distance
They can teach us how to wear a f00king mask

The bit I don't get is the assumption that the mask will end up covered in virus and fiddling with it will infect you. If it gets virus on it then it is really dangerous but that virus would have got onto your face if you had not been wearing it. You are still cutting the odds down by wearing it.


To me it is an insurance policy.



And of course you are right about the "training" BS. 3 or 4 steps and you are done.


Of course you have to continue with all the other measures.

Gael23

Milan has shut its crematorium as it can no longer meet demand.

Jim_Hodge

macmahon wrote: »

Yes thankyou. I think it is very important for people to be very mindful of all wording that all media use during a plandemic. Coronavirus is just not Covid19 it also can be flu and just a cold (SARS),(MERS) etc, etc

Influenza is not a coronavirus. Where ate you going with all this?

Kermit.de.frog

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »