CoVid19 Part XII - 4,604 in ROI (137 deaths) 998 in NI (56 deaths)(04/04) **Read OP**

delly

threeball wrote: »

Whats the header saying tonight.

It's more of the same, just general BS, vague over arching statements. He never fails to make it political.

Kermit.de.frog

RugbyLad11 wrote: »

It's disgusting how much western governments (our government included) keep pushing the agenda that masks are not needed but now they are back tracking.

Imagine how many lives could've been saved if they didn't stigmatize people wearing masks

I personally find it insulting how every health spokesperson on television jumps down the throat (they get visibly angry) of anyone who mentions it - not for scientific reasons although they pretend that is the reason.

It's because governments don't have stock in Europe.

Just say that.

Musefan

threeball wrote: »

Whats the header saying tonight.

He’s undermining the doctor, Dr Birx. She stated that by the stats, not every American is obeying social distancing rules. He freaked out, cutting in making sure people knew that some states were doing great, nothing to worry about etc. He was irked that she compared US to Italy. He’s telling people a scarf is better than an N95 mask “because it’s thicker”. Trying to somehow plant the seed that Spanish flu didn’t originate in the US because they had less deaths.

RugbyLad11

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

I personally find it insulting how every health spokesperson on television jumps down the throat (they get visibly angry) of anyone who mentions it - not for scientific reasons although they pretend that is the reason.

It's because governments don't have stock in Europe.

Just say that.

In czech republic people are sewing masks, we should do this

Spanish Eyes

Forgive me, but I have been using a snood scarf lately over mouth and nose since no masks available. Just a thing to keep my breath away from anyone else really.

It is probably useless, but it makes me feel a bit more ok. Straight into the bowl with watered down bleach + Fairy liquid on return. Rinse and repeat.

Kermit.de.frog

RugbyLad11 wrote: »

In czech republic people are sewing masks, we should do this

It's good enough for Asian countries, doctors and nurses but not for our population apparently.

I agree. They can't be hard or expensive to produce.

macmahon

woohoo!!! wrote: »

At current rates, our health system will be overwhelmed in 2-3 weeks. The chief cause being lack of sufficiently trained health workers. It's alarming the numbers that are being infected. Got to ensure at minimum that everyone working in a cluster currently and likely near future clusters are all wearing proper PPE all the time. And consider separating those workers with covid patients completely, with industrial level PPE also

Incoming bot!

frillyleaf

RugbyLad11 wrote: »

It's disgusting how much western governments (our government included) keep pushing the agenda that masks are not needed but now they are back tracking.

Imagine how many lives could've been saved if they didn't stigmatize people wearing masks

They don’t have supplies and are trying to keep them for medical staff

nocoverart

macmahon wrote: »

The numbers are so small and have been over the last few weeks here in Ireland! Its a plandemic!

Is "Plandemic" something clever you came up with, or did you genuinely misspell it?

frillyleaf

Musefan wrote: »

He’s undermining the doctor, Dr Birx. She stated that by the stats, not every American is obeying social distancing rules. He freaked out, cutting in making sure people knew that some states were doing great, nothing to worry about etc. He was irked that she compared US to Italy. He’s telling people a scarf is better than an N95 mask “because it’s thicker”. Trying to somehow plant the seed that Spanish flu didn’t originate in the US because they had less deaths.

Oh dear!

Kermit.de.frog

frillyleaf wrote: »

They don’t have supplies and are trying to keep them for medical staff

Instead of attacking those who mention it - why don't they just say that?

We don't have supplies, discussion over.

RugbyLad11

frillyleaf wrote: »

They don’t have supplies and are trying to keep them for medical staff

But why lie to people? tell them to truth and tell them to cover there mouth and nose with a scarf or anything

2ndcoming

Viruses aren't aware of the concept of an economy.

The harder you make it for them to spread generally the less dangerous they become. They want hosts, killing people doesn't help that.


This is already a more contagious, less lethal version of SARS anyway.

Kermit.de.frog

Trump explaining how he want to run the US like he ran his businesses - in to the ground.

macmahon

froog wrote: »

5,740 deaths today alone. frightening.

Yep! You got it froog!x

Bit cynical

stephenjmcd wrote: »

They have to. Only so long you can stay out on your own while neighbouring countries deal with it a completely different way.

Although I suspect the UK probably would have gone down the same route had the french not threatened to close the border with UK if they didnt do something.

They most likely will do that but it is unusual that they have had a less steep trajectory than most other countries to date.

wonski

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Forgive me, but I have been using a snood scarf lately over mouth and nose since no masks available. Just a thing to keep my breath away from anyone else really.

It is probably useless, but it makes me feel a bit more ok. Straight into the bowl with watered down bleach + Fairy liquid on return. Rinse and repeat.

While I appreciate your effort not sure mask being in a bleach bath and put back on your face is a good idea. Watered down or not.

Take care of your skin.

citysights

marilynrr wrote: »

I think they will be able to estimate that properly when this is all over by comparing the average number of deaths to previous years.

They’d want to be doing this now though, hard data, rather than this modeling which seems to based on worst case scenarios.

threeball

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Trump explaining how he want to run the US like he ran his businesses - in to the ground.

Its ok he'll just get bailed out by russian mafia or a firesale to the chinese. Thats how he kept going in the past.

Corkgirl20

RugbyLad11 wrote: »

In czech republic people are sewing masks, we should do this

There’s a group of women doing this up in Donegal , for Gardaí and health workers, shop Keepers etc, they’re doing it free of charge.

Kermit.de.frog

threeball wrote: »

Its ok he'll just get bailed out by russian mafia or a firesale to the chinese. Thats how he kept going in the past.

I don't know, he's such a fcuking dumb ass.

What can be said at this point?

tuxy

Corkgirl20 wrote: »

There’s a group of women doing this up in Donegal , for Gardaí and health workers, shop Keepers etc, they’re doing it free of charge.

Do these mask need a rating to find out how effective they are. Or is any mask better than no mask?

frillyleaf

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Instead of attacking those who mention it - why don't they just say that?

We don't have supplies, discussion over.

They may not want to say that as frontline workers are likely relying on pharmacies etc to supply them at this stage if the shortages are as bad as being reported. The public also have access to these so if they said “masks work” there would be huge rush to get them. I think the HSE put out a call for anyone who had PPE to donate it? There is obviously serious shortfall in supplies.

If the HSE told the population that masks do protect there would be even more competition to get them among workers who do need them more as they are actually working with people who are likely to be exposed.

A lot of the general public have a choice that removes the need for masks. We can social distance. This removes the need for masks for most of the time....compare this need with a nurse, a career, health assistant etc, someone immune comprised and their carers.

I think that anyone working in essential services should be supplied these masks too along with carers of people that are vulnerable.

It’s simply easier for people to social distance. I would also think similar to gloves, people not trained in basic infection or disease control will use them incorrectly. I see people wearing gloves to shops, and using same gloves getting into their cars etc. It basically renders them ineffective.

macmahon

speckle wrote: »

Bit nervous, going for an emergency dental apointment in the midst of a pandemic. Never thought I would see the day!

You will be grand! Health service has never been so sterile and clean here in Ireland! Too many ups are incoming in this plandemic here Ireland!...stay positive!

frillyleaf

RugbyLad11 wrote: »

But why lie to people? tell them to truth and tell them to cover there mouth and nose with a scarf or anything

Maybe people will become complacent if they do this. It’s easier to just practise social distancing in my opinion. It massively reduces transmission more than any other method.

macmahon

igCorcaigh wrote: »

Eh, OK McM. I'll try to see your point?
Please put your words on here.

That sounds like a challenge to me!

Atlantic Dawn

Looks like some of the Chinese PPE gear we got on Sunday is not up to scratch, hope they kept the receipt...

He was speaking in a video on Twitter following concerns about the content of the first batch of Personal Protective Equipment for healthcare staff that has been arriving on Aer Lingus flights from China since last Sunday.

The HSE said that although the equipment being delivered is up to World Health Organization standards, and will work to protect healthcare staff, it is not the type of equipment that Irish healthcare staff have been used to.

There are concerns that the equipment may be more robust and heavy duty than nurses and doctors expected.

There have also been complaints from some nursing quarters that the protective gowns in the shipment are too small and the face masks of poor quality.

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0403/1128209-nphet-to-meet-to-plan-next-moves-in-covid-19-fight/

macmahon

Curious_Case wrote: »

Global cases have exceeded 1 million (worldometer)

And France is listed as having 1,355 additional deaths

US heading for 250,000

Huge numbers

Coronavirus or covid19 specifically?

Kermit.de.frog

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Looks like some of the Chinese PPE gear we got on Sunday is not up to scratch, hope they kept the receipt...




https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0403/1128209-nphet-to-meet-to-plan-next-moves-in-covid-19-fight/

I warned of this.

China's intention to capitalise on a disaster of their own making by pretending to be the knights in shining armor to other countries is nothing more than a publicity stunt.

Equipment is useless, send it back like everyone else.

Corkgirl20

tuxy wrote: »

Do these mask need a rating to find out how effective they are. Or is any mask better than no mask?

I’m not sure to be honest, I’ve linked the story below.

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.thesun.ie/news/5274398/coronavirus-ireland-donegal-women-make-masks-frontline/amp/

gozunda

Stuff of nightmares or at least this one

Video released on December 11 2019 by the Shanghai Media Group when the Covid-19 was already infecting its first victims ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovnUyTRMERI

Go to 3:05 for section on bats ...

And no I'm not a conspiracy advocate.

Strazdas

tuxy wrote: »

Do these mask need a rating to find out how effective they are. Or is any mask better than no mask?

I read this week that even a t-shirt makes a good mask, so it's definitely not the case that you must have a medically approved mask to go about your day to day business.....anything that covers your nose and mouth should do a decent job.

macmahon

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

He might make a call from from his shed.

Is Tubby bear covid19 or just coronavirus?

Renjit

tuxy wrote: »

Do these mask need a rating to find out how effective they are. Or is any mask better than no mask?

Any mask is better than no mask for sure.

wakka12

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/rodrigo-duterte-philippines-president-coronavirus-lockdown-shoot-people-dead/
You really think it can't get any more insane and then..
Police and military in the Phillipines ordered to shoot dead anyone disobeying lockdown procedures

nocoverart

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Looks like some of the Chinese PPE gear we got on Sunday is not up to scratch, hope they kept the receipt...




https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0403/1128209-nphet-to-meet-to-plan-next-moves-in-covid-19-fight/

If the Earth was an Arse, China would be the boil on said Arse.

Curious_Case

macmahon wrote: »

Coronavirus or covid19 specifically?

No idea, I just put the numbers beside the country's so that there numbers where were my numbers was but in a different place not like on there website or anything but on my post beside the countrie's they had on the website of there's that I sourced my references from were they where like. There ain't no way I'm not never gonna make a mistake with numbers an' stuff 'cos numbers never lie and the country's what were them numbers was from couldn't of moved so it must be right.

The perceptive reader may garner, not without foundation, that I've seasoned my response with an element of wit (as I would describe it).

citysights

macmahon wrote: »

Is Tubby bear covid19 or just coronavirus?

Think media said it was covid 19. But seriously are people even differentiating between the two. Used to have dettol here in the house that said it killed Coronavirus so that virus has obviously been around a while and this new one covid 19 is a different strand.

tuxy

wakka12 wrote: »

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/rodrigo-duterte-philippines-president-coronavirus-lockdown-shoot-people-dead/
You really think it can't get any more insane and then..
Police and military in the Phillipines ordered to shoot dead anyone disobeying lockdown procedures

Bit of a step up from the slap on the arse from a stick in India

macmahon

nocoverart wrote: »

Is "Plandemic" something clever you came up with, or did you genuinely misspell it?

Im very clever with my spelling!...I never lie!

nocoverart

macmahon wrote: »

Im very clever with my spelling!...I never lie!

I’m not having a go, I’m just intrigued. Pland as in bland? you just added an L in there to make it fit? or the more obvious one, this was all engineered as a weapon from China?

caveat emptor

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Looks like some of the Chinese PPE gear we got on Sunday is not up to scratch, hope they kept the receipt...

He was speaking in a video on Twitter following concerns about the content of the first batch of Personal Protective Equipment for healthcare staff that has been arriving on Aer Lingus flights from China since last Sunday.

The HSE said that although the equipment being delivered is up to World Health Organization standards, and will work to protect healthcare staff, it is not the type of equipment that Irish healthcare staff have been used to.

There are concerns that the equipment may be more robust and heavy duty than nurses and doctors expected.

There have also been complaints from some nursing quarters that the protective gowns in the shipment are too small and the face masks of poor quality.

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0403/1128209-nphet-to-meet-to-plan-next-moves-in-covid-19-fight/

That's terrible if that is the case. What does more robust mean anyway? Maybe it means more robust like the way the virus was more robust than the expected and infected all those healthcare workers. 25% of total cases at last count. Maybe it's more effective.

Seems like deflection from the fact they weren't protected adequately as there were shortages.

We should put in an order from Germany. Oh wait we can't can we.

citysights

wakka12 wrote: »

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/rodrigo-duterte-philippines-president-coronavirus-lockdown-shoot-people-dead/
You really think it can't get any more insane and then..
Police and military in the Phillipines ordered to shoot dead anyone disobeying lockdown procedures

Someone shared a video here the other day of a hospital in Southern Italy, the corridor was partitioned( different categories of patients at either side ) with yellow tape and the security officer manning it had a gun in his pocket.., inside a hospital!

macmahon

Naos wrote: »

It isn't (overrunning our health system currently) because of the measures we've put in place and the majority of people are adhering too.

Thankyou...I will stick that in my pipe and smoke it!

cnocbui

caveat emptor wrote: »

That's terrible if that is the case. What does more robust mean anyway? Maybe it means more robust like the way the virus was more robust than the expected and infected all those healthcare workers. 25% of total cases at last count. Maybe it's more effective.

Seems like deflection from the fact they weren't protected adequately as there were shortages.

We should put in an order from Germany. Oh wait we can't can we.

Probably means it's more like cartridge based re-usable respirators than light weight FFP3 masks. Which may not be a bad thing if you look at what the Italians are now suiting up in to protect health care workers - full face covering mask with cartridges. I believe the Italians have had no health worker infections after suiting up to airborne protocol standards.

RugbyLad11

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

I warned of this.

China's intention to capitalise on a disaster of their own making by pretending to be the knights in shining armor to other countries is nothing more than a publicity stunt.

Equipment is useless, send it back like everyone else.

I remember people on here were arguing that iphones are made in China so no way that this PPE will be bad quality

snotboogie

Over 10% of all recorded Covid 19 deaths were reported in the last 24 hours

bekker

wakka12 wrote: »

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/rodrigo-duterte-philippines-president-coronavirus-lockdown-shoot-people-dead/
You really think it can't get any more insane and then..
Police and military in the Phillipines ordered to shoot dead anyone disobeying lockdown procedures

He means shoot to kill, he has previous.

In fairness he's ruling over a widely spread archipelago, with more than 10 ethnic groups, a virtually autonomous Mindanao which was in a state of civil war from '45 till recently, plus an simmering ISIS problem.

Any sign of weakness and it's a mess, it's disobeying his edict that's the problem not necessarily COVID-19 related per se.

macmahon

BanditLuke wrote: »

I'd say July at the earliest and then another shutdown in October for longer this time with the much more letal second wave.

Well those stats add up! Well done BanditLuke! Do you care enough to spill?

The Oort Cloud

I have to say, this abode here is like it was magically transported to the deep country.

I never heard it so quiet/calm. I'm so used to aircraft noise but this is like the twilight zone for the last week absolutely noiseless, earily beautiful. Just like that twilight zone episode when the woman found the watch to stop time.

Finally the noise of engines and drilling has stopped. I'm not living in the sticks, but for this beautiful time... I may as well be. Have you noticed waking up at 5am without the low drone of aircraft engine noise? Or if you live on a busy road and are now realising how quiet it is for once in a generation of complete quietness?

Do you like it or hate it?.