CoVid19 Part XII - 4,604 in ROI (137 deaths) 998 in NI (56 deaths)(04/04) **Read OP**

Kermit.de.frog

windy shepard henderson wrote: »

I wouldn't be surprised. :rolleyes:

2ndcoming

This thread continues to be the home of all the sh1test takes possible.

2ndcoming

Went through the last 3 pages, too many too pick out. I'd imagine you know who you are already

Kermit.de.frog

Don't let the door slam in your face on the way out.

Outlaw Pete

Lord there sure are some idiots in the world.


https://twitter.com/terri_____/status/1245858832607141888

ceadaoin.

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Spain will break 1,000 deaths in a 24 hour period later this morning.

However, they have just been beaten to the title of first country to do so.

The USA has reported 1169 deaths in a single day yesterday and 29,874 new cases.

Given the lag between detection, ICU and ultimately passing away that death rate is likely to soar in the coming days and this is going to upset a lot of people when those numbers start appearing.

The US has 7 times the population of Spain. It's hardly shocking. How do the deaths per million compare?


The fear and death mongering on here, especially when it comes to the US, is really depressing. Almost like some people are willing it to happen. Like, why be dicks? We're all in the same boat.

Time for a break from here I think.

snoopboggybog

USA 0.073% of the population have contacted Coronavirus.
Spain 0.25% of the population have contacted Coronavirus
Ireland 0.08% of the population have contacted Coronavirus.

Now you can't really go by these number due to the countries level of testing etc. It will take at least another month to have a clearer picture of everything.

You can't treat the USA as one country either due to its size and population either. You would want to go North, South, East, West at the very minimum.

The US is far from fecked either with lockdowns now in place. New York is bad all right but due to the diverse population it won't be as bad as anyone makes out except the major cities.

megatron989

Wow real anger towards facts lately.
Keep up the posts Kermit, you've come across some real interesting bits that help in working out exactly things are developing.

2u2me

sadie1502 wrote: »

That never changes. Always 95% or 96% in mild condition. Still 1000s dying. *****ty virus.

It could be 99.998% if the London Imperial college latest study is to be believed. They estimate far more people have it than suspected. We can't know without proper testing.

rusty the athlete

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Lord there sure are some idiots in the world.

It seems as religious fanatics regard themselves in some way as being completely immune to the virus. Two weeks ago 25000 gathered for koran healing prayers in Bangladesh. A picture of them appeared in newspapers of them crammed cheek to jowel in a field. Yesterday Florida governor Ron DeSantis adds to the list of permitted “essential services” by including the attending church services potentially with "500 or more being crammed shoulder to shoulder" in such gatherings. (Source UK Independent)
According to RTE this morning, Foster in the North is also mooting at something similar.

At best religion seems like fairy stories for adults who still believe in fairies and cannot admit it, but at worse and in the current situation its a major and potent threat to our lives and well-being unless a lid is not put on this dangerous idiocy.

Danzy

2u2me wrote: »

It could be 99.998% if the London Imperial college latest study is to be believed. They estimate far more people have it than suspected. We can't know without proper testing.

There is significant testing going on in many countries that don't show it. Hopefully that is the case and many are already immune, hopefully.

Kermit.de.frog

ceadaoin. wrote: »

The US has 7 times the population of Spain. It's hardly shocking. How do the deaths per million compare?


The fear and death mongering on here, especially when it comes to the US, is really depressing. Almost like some people are willing it to happen. Like, why be dicks? We're all in the same boat.

Time for a break from here I think.

Ok snowflake.

Don't worry about it.

The world is nice and kind and fluffy.

You'll be alright.

But you won't be.

Ficheall

snoopboggybog wrote: »

USA 0.073% of the population have contacted Coronavirus.
Spain 0.25% of the population have contacted Coronavirus
Ireland 0.08% of the population have contacted Coronavirus.

Now you can't really go by these number due to the countries level of testing etc. It will take at least another month to have a clearer picture of everything.

Level of deaths per capita is perhaps a little more reliable, but we're doing worse than the US there too. Better than only 16 countries on that score, actually. And four of those countries have populations of under 50k, and one of 77k.


Hopefully the effect of the lockdown measures will start becoming evident in the death rate next week..

ceadaoin.

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Ok snowflake.

Don't worry about it.

The world is nice and kind and fluffy.

You'll be alright.

But you won't be.

Dont remember saying I wasnt worried but, ok, I wont be alright. All of america is going to die. And you'll be grand sure. Is that better?

Just **** off ffs. You are noticebly being a dick at this stage. Perhaps its anxiety. You ok hun?

deise08

I hope they're ordering oxygen when they're ordering this equipment.

stephenjmcd

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Looks like some of the Chinese PPE gear we got on Sunday is not up to scratch, hope they kept the receipt...




https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0403/1128209-nphet-to-meet-to-plan-next-moves-in-covid-19-fight/

Reading that it sounds like it's just different than they expected. Likewise in Leo's press conference last night he said the look and feel is different to what Irish healthcare staff would be used to. Just because it looks different doesn't mean its faulty.

Irish healthcare staff are accustomed to the lightweight gowns that you see them wearing quite often, I'd suspect its something more heavy duty thats arrived and if so that's not necessarily a bad thing.

voluntary

Have antibody tests been made available in Ireland yet? I'd love to one as having a cold in March I think there's a slight chance I might already have this thing?

Tokyo

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Ok snowflake.

Don't worry about it.

The world is nice and kind and fluffy.

You'll be alright.

But you won't be.

ceadaoin. wrote: »

Just **** off ffs. You are noticebly being a dick at this stage. Perhaps its anxiety. You ok hun?

Mod: End it, both of you. Or I'm pulling the plug on your posting rights to the thread.

pjohnson

What province is America in? Is it near Leitrim? Can this thread not be for Irish updates?

Danzy

voluntary wrote: »

Have antibody tests been made available in Ireland yet? I'd love to one as having a cold in March I think there's a slight chance I might already have this thing?

Had the cold during March as well, cough, bit of a tight chest, bit of a temperature, herself had it as well. My uncle had awful muscle pain that week as well.

Probably just a normal cold or mild flu but like you wouldn't it be great if it was Corona and that is all we had of it.

CIARAN_BOYLE

pjohnson wrote: »

What province is America in? Is it near Leitrim? Can this thread not be for Irish updates?

Well this thread is a catchall megathread.

I do think an Irish situation megathread might be a good idea to keep the Irish stuff on its own.

Danzy

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

Well this thread is a catchall megathread.

I do think an Irish situation megathread might be a good idea to keep the Irish stuff on its own.

It's the same **** between updates either way.

Bsharp

Ficheall wrote: »

Level of deaths per capita is perhaps a little more reliable, but we're doing worse than the US there too. Better than only 16 countries on that score, actually. And four of those countries have populations of under 50k, and one of 77k.


Hopefully the effect of the lockdown measures will start becoming evident in the death rate next week..

If you consider how we're set up as a nation then by right we should be high on any list when doing per capita comparisons.

Before this took hold we had;

Strong open economy

Relatively big multi-national and international student presence for our population size

International airport with close to 32.9m passengers last year, only a few hours drive from anywhere in the country London to Dublin is possibly the busiest air route in the world and another major transit hub

Population with a tendency to migrate and travel globally

No recent pandemic experience when compared to East Asia

Road haulage instead of rail freight meaning more people interaction

Basically we have the perfect conditions for a virus to get here and spread. Only thing we're missing is population density but there's plenty of people who drive the length and breadth of this country every day for a living.

beolight

Watching CNN now story about dogs which have been trained to sniff virus they have been used in the past to give hospitals all clear for SARS so if covid 19 has a specific smell they can be trained

gozunda

sadie1502 wrote: »

That never changes. Always 95% or 96% in mild condition. Still 1000s dying. *****ty virus.

For those that think mild is meh ...

Even the 'mild' cases are detailed as potentially developing pneumonia

And may deleveop other organ damage

That's no joke ....

Naos

Roger_007 wrote: »

There is something very strange going on with the health service. The A&Es are empty, the wards are virtually empty, (according to Dr Holohan anyway). What happened to all the patients who were on trolleys a couple of weeks ago. Were there a lot of people going to A&E who didn’t need to, or are they afraid to go now?
Is it possible that people are so scared of getting Covid19 that they not going to their doctors or to A&E even when they really should. Could this be an unintended consequence of the ‘cocoon’ policy?

A friend of mine is a Paramedic. He told us many times before, the amount of unnecessary calls that are placed and people having to be taken to A&E/Hospital is crazy.

This has clearly cut down a lot of the people who call for the sake of calling.

Achasanai

Just Saying wrote: »

Maybe I am not changing some setting but those graphs relate to cases.Cases cannot be compared accurately because of the gulf in tests or head of population.

You can change by case/new case/deaths and you can alter them by head of population. Tests is problematic, but as you can see from this thread, I don't think we even know how many we're doing on a daily basis.

amadangomor

Naos wrote: »

A friend of mine is a Paramedic. He told us many times before, the amount of unnecessary calls that are placed and people having to be taken to A&E/Hospital is crazy.

This has clearly cut down a lot of the people who call for the sake of calling.

GPs send too many people to A&E also. Maybe they will look at this going forward and have many intermediate clinics for assessment and triage although that should be the GPs job.

careless sherpa

rusty the athlete wrote: »

It seems as religious fanatics regard themselves in some way as being completely immune to the virus. Two weeks ago 25000 gathered for koran healing prayers in Bangladesh. A picture of them appeared in newspapers of them crammed cheek to jowel in a field. Yesterday Florida governor Ron DeSantis adds to the list of permitted “essential services” by including the attending church services potentially with "500 or more being crammed shoulder to shoulder" in such gatherings. (Source UK Independent)
According to RTE this morning, Foster in the North is also mooting at something similar.

At best religion seems like fairy stories for adults who still believe in fairies and cannot admit it, but at worse and in the current situation its a major and potent threat to our lives and well-being unless a lid is not put on this dangerous idiocy.

Some DUP councilor was droning on about how this is linked to gay marriage and abortion. High quality political representative

kilns

Have just been on an internal webinar for Novartis employess hosted by their management and lead researchers and they confirm a vaccination will be available to the world Jan - Apr 2021. This is from the biggest pharamceutical company in the world so this is the correct time frame over which any politician will tell you.

Therefore, we may see restrictions for the rest of the year

celt262

kilns wrote: »

Have just been on an internal webinar for Novartis employess hosted by their management and lead researchers and they confirm a vaccination will be available to the world Jan - Apr 2021. This is from the biggest pharamceutical company in the world so this is the correct time frame over which any politician will tell you.

Therefore, we may see restrictions for the rest of the year

Thanks for the update can put up with it when we know there is an end in sight.

GooglePlus

beolight wrote: »

Watching CNN now story about dogs which have been trained to sniff virus they have been used in the past to give hospitals all clear for SARS so if covid 19 has a specific smell they can be trained

It turned out they just stopped doing sausages in the canteen the day they got the all clear.

jackboy

kilns wrote: »

Have just been on an internal webinar for Novartis employess hosted by their management and lead researchers and they confirm a vaccination will be available to the world Jan - Apr 2021. This is from the biggest pharamceutical company in the world so this is the correct time frame over which any politician will tell you.

Therefore, we may see restrictions for the rest of the year

Yeah, I wouldn’t believe everything in a corporate ‘webinar’.

Kermit.de.frog

Originally Posted by mike_ie
Mod: End it, both of you. Or I'm pulling the plug on your posting rights to the thread.

We are too big to fail.:cool:

is_that_so

I see the "game-changing" UK antibody tests are not quite as promising.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/coronavirus-test-uk-antibody-public-health-england-covid-19-downing-street-a9443266.html

Akrasia

beolight wrote: »

Watching CNN now story about dogs which have been trained to sniff virus they have been used in the past to give hospitals all clear for SARS so if covid 19 has a specific smell they can be trained

Would take years.
Took me years to still not fully train my dog to roll in fox sh1t

is_that_so

kilns wrote: »

Have just been on an internal webinar for Novartis employess hosted by their management and lead researchers and they confirm a vaccination will be available to the world Jan - Apr 2021. This is from the biggest pharmaceutical company in the world so this is the correct time frame over which any politician will tell you.

Therefore, we may see restrictions for the rest of the year

That's doubtful and pretty unsustainable. There are other trials planned and underway in the search for treatments to manage infections. It's always been about the curve with this and ultimately protecting those most likely at risk.

Tokyo

Mod:

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Akrasia

gozunda wrote: »

For those that think mild is meh ...

Even the 'mild' cases are detailed as potentially developing pneumonia

And may deleveop other organ damage

That's no joke ....

Yep. Mild is categorized as anything short of requiring hospitalization, and the bar for requiring hospitalization has increased so an illness that would have put you in hospital 6 months ago is now officially mild if you and your gp think you can tough it out at home

There may be some ‘mild’ illnesses that result in death if there’s a misjudgment

Jim_Hodge

macmahon wrote: »

Wiki Coronavirus.

And what? Does it state influenza is a coronavirus?

Kermit.de.frog

mike_ie wrote: »

Mod:

@Kermit.de.frog - Don't post in the thread again. Cheers.

I will.

What do you think about that?


Mod: 1 week ban for continually ignoring mod instructions.

is_that_so

Here's news of another potential vaccine, based off work done for SARS and MERS.

http://www.sci-news.com/medicine/pittcovacc-covid-19-vaccine-08291.html

kilns

jackboy wrote: »

Yeah, I wouldn’t believe everything in a corporate ‘webinar’.

This is not for public consumption its a peer to peer conversation, you cant pull the wool over the eyes of people in the industry which you can with the general public

kilns

is_that_so wrote: »

That's doubtful and pretty unsustainable. There are other trials planned and underway in the search for treatments to manage infections. It's always been about the curve with this and ultimately protecting those most likely at risk.

INteresting to know why you think it is unsustainable

The curve is a short term win with society lockdown in place which is unsustainable in itself

is_that_so

kilns wrote: »

This is not for public consumption its a peer to peer conversation so no bull

Well it does match the general timeframe for a vaccine that has been floated about so not really any reason to doubt it.

kilns

is_that_so wrote: »

Well it does match the general timeframe for a vaccine that has been floated about so not really any reason to doubt it.

and to be honest it would have been sooner but companies had no interest in researching it as it did not make commercial sense in Dec/Jan but obviously things have changed

rusty the athlete

frillyleaf wrote: »

A lot of the general public have a choice that removes the need for masks. We can social distance.

Probably not a bad idea to wear a mask and keep a safe physical distance.

is_that_so

kilns wrote: »

INteresting to know why you think it is unsustainable

The curve is a short term win with society lockdown in place which is unsustainable in itself

There is really no way for people nor economies to sustain a very long term restriction, where the cure would be many times worse than the disease. In the absence of vaccine I can see them looking at other mitigating treatments, maintaining a readiness to apply restrictions, tracking through very widescale testing and having a response system. The situation we are now in cannot effectively remain for more than 4-6 weeks. There are already signs of strain in Greece and Italy.

is_that_so

kilns wrote: »

and to be honest it would have been sooner but companies had no interest in researching it as it did not make commercial sense in Dec/Jan but obviously things have changed

True and it might never be commercial if this thing just vanishes.

2u2me

is_that_so wrote: »

Well it does match the general timeframe for a vaccine that has been floated about so not really any reason to doubt it.

I believe this is the bare minimum time frame being floated about. They have been able to sequence the genome of this virus much quicker than previous sars or mers outbreaks but remember vaccines still haven't been developed for either of those virus' now 17 years on.