CoVid19 Part XII - 4,604 in ROI (137 deaths) 998 in NI (56 deaths)(04/04) **Read OP**

tobefrank321

Beasty wrote: »

Do you have any idea how many "cases" we do have?

The current "results" are for tests done a few days ago, and swabs taken a few days before that, for people who had waited a few days to get their swabs taken

We are probably now "recording" figures from 10+ days ago, and only those who warranted testing

I would guess we are at a few multiples of 15,000 at this stage - but it can only be a finger in the air job because we simply do not know how many in Ireland are (or indeed have been) infected

Leo knew there could be a high amount of cases yet only now we are scrambling for PPE. He had the foresight to see we might have a high number of cases. You'd think at that point the orders for PPE would go in?

As for real number of cases, somewhere between 10-20,000 is my guess. A lot of people got or will get this but it will be mild or asymptomatic and won't ever be tested.

froog

Pseudonym121 wrote: »

Simple fix. I’ve gotten a couple of takeaways over the past six weeks and I just made sure to treat the food as infected and microwaved it to piping hot again after delivery.

Microwaving to piping hot will break the rna hydroxyl bonds and make it safe to eat even if someone DID cough directly onto the food just before closing the packaging.

Simples.

ah yes, those pesky RNA Hydroxyl bonds, i hate them in my soup.

threeball

Stheno wrote: »

Rubella was given in school when you were 12/13

BCG was a baby/ toddler vaccine iirc

I have the mark's but dont remember getting it

Bcg was given in schools around 3rd or 4th class in the 80s. I remember queuing up to get it in the hall and having the 3 little scars on my shoulder for years.

rusty the athlete

Sittingpretty wrote: »

That compilation makes him look like he bought his medical doctorate at his local Walmart.

Well, if he is an actual MD then god help any patients that he 'treats' and he should be immediately struck off. But 'Doctor' can be anyone that has a Phd in whatever discipline you choose. I doubt if this cretin knows one end of a syringe from the other.

shocksy

Spain reports 809 new deaths and 7,026 new cases.

Shelga

Sorry if it’s already been mentioned, I only read the last 10 pages, but has anyone else heard that apparently Matt Damon is stuck in Dublin and has been spotted jogging on Killiney Hill?

I only mention it because it seems improbable that he has absolutely no way to get back to America, but also, a photo apparently taken on Wednesday was posted on Twitter, with him with his arm around some fan in Dalkey?? Why are both of them being so irresponsible?

Makes me think it’s all a load of rubbish, and this woman is posting a photo that was actually taken a month ago.

caveat emptor

Beasty wrote: »

Do you have any idea how many "cases" we do have?

The current "results" are for tests done a few days ago, and swabs taken a few days before that, for people who had waited a few days to get their swabs taken

We are probably now "recording" figures from 10+ days ago, and only those who warranted testing

I would guess we are at a few multiples of 15,000 at this stage - but it can only be a finger in the air job because we simply do not know how many in Ireland are (or indeed have been) infected

That's a good point. I think the lag effect is absent in most assessments of the situation. One way of trying to get some number is to look at the death rate and work backwards. This is looking at the numbers. Before doing so worth noting The percentage of people who die is small. Every death is terrible.

• mean time of symptoms to death is ~20 in cases that succumb.
• we have officially had 120 deaths to date. No reason to question this.
• so if the death rate is at 1%. I'd estimate this as health system not overwhelmed.
  
• Based on the above you can say that 20 days ago there were 120 X 100 cases = 12000

You then have to apply finger in air methodology to estimate current state regarding growth / control etc.

This is a conservative estimate. If the death rate is higher, then the number of cases is lower. If however you are an optimist and the death rate is lower, then the number of infected is higher.

Pick your poison. Of course large degree of uncertainty.

Jinglejangle69

Spain, Italy, UK all seem to consistently report 700 or 800 deaths.

I reckon its a lot more but they haven't the meams to count for more deaths.

ILoveYourVibes

Shelga wrote: »

Sorry if it’s already been mentioned, I only read the last 10 pages, but has anyone else heard that apparently Matt Damon is stuck in Dublin and has been spotted jogging on Killiney Hill?

I only mention it because it seems improbable that he has absolutely no way to get back to America, but also, a photo apparently taken on Wednesday was posted on Twitter, with him with his arm around some fan in Dalkey?? Why are both of them being so irresponsible?

Makes me think it’s all a load of rubbish, and this woman is posting a photo that was actually taken a month ago.

shrug who knows

https://extra.ie/2020/04/02/entertainment/celebrity/matt-damon-covid

so the hollywood crowd is hanging here you better get out your greta banners!

caveat emptor

Pseudonym121 wrote: »

Simple fix. I’ve gotten a couple of takeaways over the past six weeks and I just made sure to treat the food as infected and microwaved it to piping hot again after delivery.

Microwaving to piping hot will break the rna hydroxyl bonds and make it safe to eat even if someone DID cough directly onto the food just before closing the packaging.

Simples.

Best news I've heard all day. They don't call it nuking for nothing I guess!

rusty the athlete

Bushmaster64 wrote: »

Both Sweden and Germany have proven to have a press that will mislead the public at the government's behest.

So what Swedish newspapers do you read on a regular basis? None I'm guessing which makes your post utter BS. My daily read is the 'Svenska Dagbladet' which if you read you would find is extremely critical of government policy.

Away With The Fairies

threeball wrote: »

Bcg was given in schools around 3rd or 4th class in the 80s. I remember queuing up to get it in the hall and having the 3 little scars on my shoulder for years.

I was 10 when I was in 3rd class in the 90s. It's been over 25 years since then. Guess im no longer immune.

tobefrank321

Bushmaster64 wrote: »

There are some countries massaging their figures. And not just 3rd world despotic ones. Obviously China and Iran are lying.

Watch out for Sweden and Japan. Maybe even Germany. Both Sweden and Germany have proven to have a press that will mislead the public at the government's behest.

Deaths rates in UK, Italy and Spain higher than published but that's more to do with not having the resources to accurately track deaths outside of hospitals.

So comparing country by country is not that simple because data isn't reliable.

Ironically the US will probably have more accurate figures than most given how its individual states doing the counting and its not in their interests to under report if they want federal assistance.

Naggdefy

A lot of tension in here

Away With The Fairies

Pseudonym121 wrote: »

Simple fix. I’ve gotten a couple of takeaways over the past six weeks and I just made sure to treat the food as infected and microwaved it to piping hot again after delivery.

Microwaving to piping hot will break the rna bonds and make it safe to eat even if someone DID cough directly onto the food just before closing the packaging.

Simples.

I would love a takeaway for a treat. But I'm slightly overweight and probably not the best idea to eat crap food now.

threeball

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

shrug who knows

https://extra.ie/2020/04/02/entertainment/celebrity/matt-damon-covid

so the hollywood crowd is hanging here you better get out your greta banners!

Smart enough to stay here rather going back to the sh1tshow across the pond.

How the governers of 5 states can ignore calls to introduce measures in their states when they've had months to see whats going on everywhere else is a remarkable indictment of their intelligence.

caveat emptor

Bushmaster64 wrote: »

There are some countries massaging their figures. And not just 3rd world despotic ones. Obviously China and Iran are lying.

Watch out for Sweden and Japan. Maybe even Germany. Both Sweden and Germany have proven to have a press that will mislead the public at the government's behest.

Deaths rates in UK, Italy and Spain higher than published but that's more to do with not having the resources to accurately track deaths outside of hospitals.

So comparing country by country is not that simple because data isn't reliable.

You left out Ireland. You do know you can lie by omission?

"Lying by omission, also known as a continuing misrepresentation or quote mining, occurs when an important fact is left out in order to foster a misconception. Lying by omission includes the failure to correct pre-existing misconceptions."

Few examples.

• We are increasing our testing capacity by X but leaving out the fact you have no way to process said tests.
• All of our front line staff have PPE while leaving out the fact that it is not adequate to protect against this virus.

I could go on.....

GM228

Ireland Reported Coronavirus Statistics - Day 35 - Friday 03/04/2020

Slightly different format than previously with day 1 and 3, 7 and 10 day averages also for each date now in the main box to give a better idea of the new cases and new case reporting trends.

Let me know of anything else I can lump into the statistics table.

DAY | DATE | Cases | New Cases | Total Cases | Case Increase | Daily Reporting Increase | Deaths | Mortality % | Hospital | Hospital % | ICU | ICU % | Recovered | Recovery % | Population % | Active Cases | ▲Day 1 | ▲10 Days | ▲7 days | ▲3 Days | ■ Day 1 | ■ 10 Days | ■ 7 Days | ■ 3 days
1 | 29/02/2020 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 0.00% | 0.00% | 0 | N/A | NR | NR | NR | NR | NR | NR | 0.000% | 1 | 0.00% | N/A | N/A | N/A | 0.00% | N/A | N/A | N/A
2 | 01/03/2020 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 0.00% | 0.00% | 0 | N/A | NR | NR | NR | NR | NR | NR | 0.000% | 1 | 0.00% | N/A | N/A | N/A | 0.00% | N/A | N/A | N/A
3 | 02/03/2020 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 0.00% | 0.00% | 0 | N/A | NR | NR | NR | NR | NR | NR | 0.000% | 1 | 0.00% | N/A | N/A | 0.00% | 0.00% | N/A | N/A | 0.00%
4 | 03/03/2020 | 1 | 1 | 2 | 100.00% | 0.00% | 0 | N/A | NR | NR | NR | NR | NR | NR | 0.000% | 2 | 25.00% | N/A | N/A | 33.33% | 0.00% | N/A | N/A | 0.00%
5 | 04/03/2020 | 2 | 4 | 6 | 200.00% | 300.00% | 0 | N/A | NR | NR | NR | NR | NR | NR | 0.000% | 6 | 60.00% | N/A | N/A | 100.00% | 60.00% | N/A | N/A | 100.00%
6 | 05/03/2020 | 6 | 7 | 13 | 116.67% | 75.00% | 0 | N/A | NR | NR | NR | NR | NR | NR | 0.000% | 13 | 69.44% | N/A | N/A | 138.89% | 62.50% | N/A | N/A | 125.00%
7 | 06/03/2020 | 13 | 5 | 18 | 38.46% | -28.57% | 0 | N/A | NR | NR | NR | NR | NR | NR | 0.000% | 18 | 65.02% | N/A | 65.02% | 118.38% | 49.49% | N/A | 49.49% | 115.48%
8 | 07/03/2020 | 18 | 1 | 19 | 5.56% | -80.00% | 0 | N/A | NR | NR | NR | NR | NR | NR | 0.000% | 19 | 57.59% | N/A | 65.81% | 53.56% | 33.30% | N/A | 38.06% | -11.19%
9 | 08/03/2020 | 19 | 2 | 21 | 10.53% | 100.00% | 0 | N/A | NR | NR | NR | NR | NR | NR | 0.000% | 21 | 52.36% | N/A | 67.32% | 18.18% | 40.71% | N/A | 52.35% | -2.86%
10 | 09/03/2020 | 21 | 3 | 24 | 14.29% | 50.00% | 0 | N/A | NR | NR | NR | NR | NR | NR | 0.000% | 24 | 48.55% | 48.55% | 69.36% | 10.12% | 41.64% | 41.64% | 59.49% | 23.33%
11 | 10/03/2020 | 24 | 10 | 34 | 41.67% | 233.33% | 0 | N/A | NR | NR | NR | NR | NR | NR | 0.001% | 34 | 47.92% | 52.72% | 61.02% | 22.16% | 59.07% | 64.98% | 92.82% | 127.78%
12 | 11/03/2020 | 34 | 9 | 43 | 26.47% | -10.00% | 1 | 2.33% | NR | NR | NR | NR | NR | NR | 0.001% | 42 | 46.14% | 55.36% | 36.23% | 27.47% | 53.31% | 63.98% | 48.54% | 91.11%
13 | 12/03/2020 | 43 | 27 | 70 | 62.79% | 200.00% | 1 | 1.43% | NR | NR | NR | NR | NR | NR | 0.001% | 69 | 47.42% | 61.64% | 28.54% | 43.64% | 64.60% | 83.98% | 66.39% | 141.11%
14 | 13/03/2020 | 70 | 20 | 90 | 28.57% | -25.93% | 1 | 1.11% | NR | NR | NR | NR | NR | NR | 0.002% | 89 | 46.07% | 54.50% | 27.12% | 39.28% | 58.13% | 81.38% | 66.77% | 54.69%
15 | 14/03/2020 | 90 | 39 | 129 | 43.33% | 95.00% | 2 | 1.55% | NR | NR | NR | NR | NR | NR | 0.003% | 127 | 45.89% | 38.83% | 32.52% | 44.90% | 60.59% | 60.88% | 91.77% | 89.69%
16 | 15/03/2020 | 129 | 40 | 169 | 31.01% | 2.56% | 2 | 1.18% | NR | NR | NR | NR | NR | NR | 0.003% | 167 | 44.96% | 30.27% | 35.45% | 34.30% | 56.96% | 53.64% | 77.85% | 23.88%
17 | 16/03/2020 | 169 | 54 | 223 | 31.95% | 35.00% | 2 | 0.90% | 84 | 37.7% | 6 | 2.69% | 5 | 2.24% | 0.005% | 216 | 44.19% | 29.62% | 37.97% | 35.43% | 55.67% | 60.00% | 75.71% | 44.19%
18 | 17/03/2020 | 223 | 69 | 292 | 30.94% | 27.78% | 2 | 0.68% | 108 | 37.0% | 7 | 2.40% | 5 | 1.71% | 0.006% | 285 | 43.46% | 32.15% | 36.44% | 31.30% | 54.12% | 70.77% | 46.35% | 21.78%
19 | 18/03/2020 | 292 | 74 | 366 | 25.34% | 7.25% | 2 | 0.55% | 140 | 38.3% | 12 | 3.28% | 5 | 1.37% | 0.007% | 359 | 42.50% | 33.64% | 36.28% | 29.41% | 51.65% | 61.50% | 48.81% | 23.34%
20 | 19/03/2020 | 366 | 191 | 557 | 52.19% | 158.11% | 3 | 0.54% | 173 | 31.1% | 13 | 2.33% | 5 | 0.90% | 0.011% | 549 | 42.99% | 37.43% | 34.76% | 36.16% | 56.98% | 72.31% | 42.82% | 64.38%
21 | 20/03/2020 | 557 | 126 | 683 | 22.62% | -34.03% | 3 | 0.44% | 211 | 30.9% | 17 | 2.49% | 5 | 0.73% | 0.014% | 675 | 42.02% | 35.52% | 33.91% | 33.38% | 52.64% | 45.57% | 41.67% | 43.77%
22 | 21/03/2020 | 683 | 102 | 785 | 14.93% | -19.05% | 3 | 0.38% | 239 | 30.4% | 25 | 3.18% | 5 | 0.64% | 0.016% | 777 | 40.79% | 34.37% | 29.86% | 29.91% | 49.38% | 44.67% | 25.37% | 35.01%
23 | 22/03/2020 | 785 | 121 | 906 | 15.41% | 18.63% | 4 | 0.44% | 277 | 30.6% | 36 | 3.97% | 5 | 0.55% | 0.018% | 897 | 39.68% | 29.63% | 27.63% | 17.66% | 48.05% | 26.53% | 27.67% | -11.48%
24 | 23/03/2020 | 906 | 219 | 1125 | 24.17% | 80.99% | 6 | 0.53% | 305 | 27.1% | 39 | 3.47% | 5 | 0.44% | 0.023% | 1114 | 39.04% | 29.19% | 26.52% | 18.17% | 49.42% | 37.22% | 34.24% | 26.86%
25 | 24/03/2020 | 1125 | 204 | 1329 | 18.13% | -6.85% | 7 | 0.53% | 340 | 25.6% | 47 | 3.54% | 5 | 0.38% | 0.027% | 1317 | 38.20% | 26.67% | 24.69% | 19.24% | 47.17% | 27.04% | 29.29% | 30.92%
26 | 25/03/2020 | 1329 | 235 | 1564 | 17.68% | 15.20% | 9 | 0.58% | 419 | 26.8% | 59 | 3.77% | 5 | 0.32% | 0.032% | 1550 | 37.41% | 25.34% | 23.59% | 20.00% | 45.94% | 28.30% | 30.43% | 29.78%
27 | 26/03/2020 | 1564 | 255 | 1819 | 16.30% | 8.51% | 19 | 1.04% | 489 | 26.9% | 67 | 3.68% | 5 | 0.27% | 0.037% | 1795 | 36.63% | 23.77% | 18.47% | 17.37% | 44.55% | 25.65% | 9.06% | 5.62%
28 | 27/03/2020 | 1819 | 302 | 2121 | 16.60% | 18.43% | 22 | 1.04% | 564 | 26.6% | 77 | 3.63% | 5 | 0.24% | 0.043% | 2094 | 35.92% | 22.34% | 17.61% | 16.86% | 43.62% | 24.72% | 16.55% | 14.05%
29 | 28/03/2020 | 2121 | 294 | 2415 | 13.86% | -2.65% | 36 | 1.49% | 645 | 26.7% | 84 | 3.48% | 5 | 0.21% | 0.049% | 2374 | 35.15% | 21.19% | 17.45% | 15.59% | 42.02% | 23.73% | 18.89% | 8.10%
30 | 29/03/2020 | 2415 | 200 | 2615 | 8.28% | -31.97% | 46 | 1.76% | 703 | 26.9% | 113 | 4.32% | 5 | 0.19% | 0.053% | 2564 | 34.26% | 16.80% | 16.43% | 12.92% | 39.56% | 4.72% | 11.67% | -5.40%
31 | 30/03/2020 | 2615 | 295 | 2910 | 11.28% | 47.50% | 54 | 1.86% | 834 | 28.7% | 126 | 4.33% | 5 | 0.17% | 0.059% | 2851 | 33.52% | 15.67% | 14.59% | 11.14% | 39.81% | 12.87% | 6.88% | 4.29%
32 | 31/03/2020 | 2910 | 325 | 3235 | 11.17% | 10.17% | 71 | 2.19% | 932 | 28.8% | 134 | 4.14% | 5 | 0.15% | 0.066% | 3159 | 32.82% | 15.29% | 13.60% | 10.24% | 38.89% | 15.80% | 9.31% | 8.57%
33 | 01/04/2020 | 3235 | 212 | 3447 | 6.55% | -34.77% | 85 | 2.47% | 1039 | 30.1% | 148 | 4.29% | 5 | 0.15% | 0.070% | 3357 | 32.02% | 14.40% | 12.01% | 9.67% | 36.66% | 10.46% | 2.17% | 7.63%
34 | 02/04/2020 | 3447 | 402 | 3849 | 11.66% | 89.62% | 98 | 2.55% | 0 | 0.0% | 148 | 3.85% | 5 | 0.13% | 0.078% | 3746 | 31.42% | 13.15% | 11.34% | 9.79% | 38.21% | 11.32% | 13.76% | 21.67%
35 | 03/04/2020 | 3849 | 424 | 4273 | 11.02% | 5.47% | 120 | 2.81% | 0 | 0.0% | 148 | 3.46% | 5 | 0.12% | 0.087% | 4148 | 30.84% | 12.44% | 10.55% | 9.74% | 37.28% | 12.55% | 11.91% | 20.11%




NR = Not Reported
▲ = Daily case increase averaged over the past 10, 7 and 3 days and from day 1
■ = Daily case reporting change averaged over the past 10, 7 and 3 days and from day 1


Source: Department of Health and the Health Protection Surveillaence Centre.

*"Recovered" rates are not reported by the Department of Health in the above link, these figures are taken from the Worldmeters and Johns Hopkins websites which use data suplied by the DoT to the ECDC under the WHO Guidelines for reporting. Recovered statistics can only be published as "recovered" following two successful tests of being clear of the virus under the WHO reporting guidelines, as a result it is likely the recovered data is skewed.

** Due to the above issue with reporting of revovered cases the number of active cases is also likely skewed.

Day 20 - Thursday 19/03/20 Stats
Day 21 - Friday 20/03/20 Stats
Day 22 - Saturday 21/03/20 Stats
Day 23 - Sunday 22/03/20 Stats
Day 24 - Monday 23/03/20 Stats
Day 25 - Tuesday 24/03/20 Stats
Day 26 - Wednesday 25/03/20 Stats
Day 27 - Thursday 26/03/20 Stats
Day 28 - Friday 27/03/20 Stats
Day 29 - Saturday 28/03/20 Stats
Day 30 - Sunday 29/03/20 Stats
Day 31 - Monday 30/03/20 Stats
Day 32 - Tuesday 31/03/20 Stats
Day 33 - Wednesday 01/04/20 Stats
Day 34 - Thursday 02/04/20 Stats

iguana

threeball wrote: »

Bcg was given in schools around 3rd or 4th class in the 80s. I remember queuing up to get it in the hall and having the 3 little scars on my shoulder for years.

Many of us born in the late 70s would have gotten the BCG as a baby. Then when we were in primary school would have gotten a Heaf test, which is the 6 needles in a circle, on our inner arms a couple of inches above the wrist. If after a few days, you showed no reaction to the Heaf test, you needed to get a BCG. If you did have a reaction, depending on how pronounced it was, it meant you had antibodies either from a successful BCG or a previous TB infection.

iguana

caveat emptor wrote: »

Few examples.

• We are increasing our testing capacity by X but leaving out the fact you have no way to process said tests.
• All of our front line staff have PPE while leaving out the fact that it is not adequate to protect against this virus.

I could go on.....

Claiming that the new testing criteria resulted in our rate of positive testing going from 6% to 15% even though only 5 days had passed and it takes longer than 5 days from referral to result.

IAMAMORON

Bushmaster64 wrote: »

There are some countries massaging their figures. And not just 3rd world despotic ones. Obviously China and Iran are lying.

Watch out for Sweden and Japan. Maybe even Germany. Both Sweden and Germany have proven to have a press that will mislead the public at the government's behest.

Deaths rates in UK, Italy and Spain higher than published but that's more to do with not having the resources to accurately track deaths outside of hospitals.

So comparing country by country is not that simple because data isn't reliable.

In Germany if you die of cardiac arrest after coming off a ventilator they are stating you died of a heart attack etc. If you drown while on a ventilator you are dying of pneumonia etc etc. They are not including cause of death as Covid 19. My understanding being that in the future the German health system will look to be classifying exactly what strain of Covid the victims had, they will revise their stats down the line once they are satisfied. Germans are very thorough, they don't spoof. Watch for updates on their statistics.

China must be lying, they have a population of 1.4 billion and considering the virus started there the figure of 81k with 3.2k deaths is rubbish. Considering they are top table in the UN their behaviour is appalling.

It is also worth stating that Ireland currently have more Covid cases than Russia...…. of course we do.:rolleyes:

I don't think Iran is lying. Their stats are feasible all things considered.

EDit

Lavinia wrote: »

Total number of deaths in Italy for Q1 (comparison):

2020 - 166.407
2019 - 185.967
2018 - 187.991
2017 - 192.045

I don't have those in English, sorry, but these are the numbers

If the numbers are correct (2017-2019 look like they come from an official document; the 2020 ones don’t though) it is pretty meaningless anyway. These are deaths from any cause and are subject to random variation year on year. Also, for example, how do we know that the lockdown in Italy hasn’t prevented 1000s of road deaths, or prevented 1000s of deaths from flu or other communicable diseases, which would reduce the total number?

Seriously, I’m kinda lost as to why people keep pulling up these numbers. Is it some sort of weak attempt to suggest that this virus isn’t that bad and we are all being conned by the illuminati?

caveat emptor

iguana wrote: »

Claiming that the new testing criteria resulted in our rate of positive testing going from 6% to 15% even though only 5 days had passed and it takes longer than 5 days from referral to result.

good one. There must be loads.

Here's a tweet about PPE. I can't speak to its veracity but hearth wrenching if true.
https://twitter.com/patphelan/status/1246363548772708352?s=20

Gynoid

EDit wrote: »

If the numbers are correct (2017-2019 look like they come from an official document; the 2020 ones don’t though) it is pretty meaningless anyway. These are deaths from any cause and are subject to random variation year on year. Also, for example, how do we know that the lockdown in Italy hasn’t prevented 1000s of road deaths, or prevented 1000s of deaths from flu or other communicable diseases, which would reduce the total number?

Seriously, I’m kinda lost as to why people keep pulling up these numbers. Is it some sort of weak attempt to suggest that this virus isn’t that bad and we are all being conned by the illuminati?

Well, I am glad you brought them up again.
Personally I wouldn't believe the illuminati could organise a piss up in a brewery but I would like a rational data based explanation of the numbers.

Any ideas? So far you suggest the 2020 data is inaccurate or unofficial. I will put that in the mix. The deaths prevented by lockdown - hmmm, could they be that numerous?

I am a firm supporter of strict response to what I think is a major threat but I also like anomalies answered.

ZX7R

Today's numbers of new infections will be interesting, results from Germanys testing of some of our back log are meant to start been released from today

woohoo!!!

Shelga wrote: »

Sorry if it’s already been mentioned, I only read the last 10 pages, but has anyone else heard that apparently Matt Damon is stuck in Dublin and has been spotted jogging on Killiney Hill?

I only mention it because it seems improbable that he has absolutely no way to get back to America, but also, a photo apparently taken on Wednesday was posted on Twitter, with him with his arm around some fan in Dalkey?? Why are both of them being so irresponsible?

Makes me think it’s all a load of rubbish, and this woman is posting a photo that was actually taken a month ago.

I've seen the story alright. If he's still here it's probably cos he figures he's safer here

ILoveYourVibes

ZX7R wrote: »

Today's numbers of new infections will be interesting, results from Germanys testing of some of our back log are meant to start been released from today

I read somewhere they have gotten the turnaround for the test down to 2 and a half hrs. I could be wrong though.

Beasty

Blueshoe wrote: »

Didn't Simon coveney say we were doing close to 5k tests a day but at the press conference recently it was announced we were doing 1500

They may have done getting on for 5,000 swabs at one stage, but had to back off doing them as the "lab" capacity was only capable of delivering around 1,500 to 2,000 a day

Personally I think the "positives" figures are pretty meaningless for understanding just how far this is embedded in the population. I do think testing remains very important for healthcare workers and those who are particularly vulnerable, including understanding if specific nursing homes are affected. Unfortunately the daily headline "figures" of those infected have become some kind of (completely inaccurate) measure of "how we are doing". They serve a purpose of giving the appearance we are fully informed of what's going on, but the Government and HSE simply do not have the resources to provide that sort of info

The death, hospitalisation and ICU figures are far more meaningful, but even they are ignoring people who have not tested positive but are infected

I posted earlier about South Korea's "testing, testing, testing" approach, but we've probably (and understandably given the shortage of testing capabilities) missed that boat, as has probably every other Western country with the possible exception of Germany

Bushmaster64

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Spain, Italy, UK all seem to consistently report 700 or 800 deaths.

I reckon its a lot more but they haven't the meams to count for more deaths.

I know of at least one person (elderly with underlying) in the UK who died outside of hospital and the doctor said it was almost certainly Covid-19 but no test will be given. Resources for tests on already dead people just aren't there.

So that death will not feature in the official figures. Bound to be more such incidents.

This is different to actually fudging the numbers as some countries are clearly doing.

tobefrank321

EDit wrote: »

If the numbers are correct (2017-2019 look like they come from an official document; the 2020 ones don’t though) it is pretty meaningless anyway. These are deaths from any cause and are subject to random variation year on year. Also, for example, how do we know that the lockdown in Italy hasn’t prevented 1000s of road deaths, or prevented 1000s of deaths from flu or other communicable diseases, which would reduce the total number?

Seriously, I’m kinda lost as to why people keep pulling up these numbers. Is it some sort of weak attempt to suggest that this virus isn’t that bad and we are all being conned by the illuminati?

Good points. Do you think one good thing to come from this in future is a focusing on cocooning vulnerable groups during the normal flu seasons? So the elderly with underlying conditions. This would in turn make some difference to trolley numbers in hospitals.

tobefrank321

ZX7R wrote: »

Today's numbers of new infections will be interesting, results from Germanys testing of some of our back log are meant to start been released from today

Yes very interesting.

EDit

Gynoid wrote: »

Well, I am glad you brought them up again.
Personally I wouldn't believe the illuminati could organise a piss up in a brewery but I would like a rational data based explanation of the numbers.

Any ideas? So far you suggest the 2020 data is inaccurate or unofficial. I will put that in the mix. The deaths prevented by lockdown - hmmm, could they be that numerous?

I am a firm supporter of strict response to what I think is a major threat but I also like anomalies answered.

I think you’ll be waiting a long time for an answer. I can’t answer it, and I doubt anyone else can definitively. Anyway, again, why does it matter? The fact is that almost 15000 people in Italy have died in March alone (note that there were only around 10 deaths in Italy before March) from a disease that didn’t exist this time last year, hence the robust response.

speckle

political analyst wrote: »

Considering events in England this week, the lockdown might be causing more deaths than Covid-19 itself!

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/murder-probe-hemel-hempstead-coronavirus-lockdown-a4402141.html

the saddest thing I saw when collating stories re covid earlier on was the three children who had not been tested for covid being placed in one body bag due to a shortage.
regarding that and other stories
please look out/stay connected with potential domestic abuse victims.
do not hermitacly sealed yourself into houses keep window open
if using high% alcohol for disinifection purposes remember it is flammable.
be careful if drinking and smoking at home. We need not to over burden the fire brigade
keep in contact by phone etc with those with mental health issues.
keep in contact with people who live alone of any age.
dont stigmatise those who have tested positive and who have finished their self isolation.
check the pinned resources and mental health threads on covid.

ILoveYourVibes

GM228 wrote: »

Ireland Reported Coronavirus Statistics - Day 35 - Friday 03/04/2020

DAY | DATE | Cases | New Cases | Total Cases | Case Increase | Daily Reporting Increase | Deaths | Mortality % | Hospital | Hospital % | ICU | ICU % | Recovered | Recovery % | Population % | Active Cases | ▲Day 1 | ▲10 Days | ▲7 days | ▲3 Days | ■ Day 1 | ■ 10 Days | ■ 7 Days | ■ 3 days
1 | 29/02/2020 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 0.00% | 0.00% | 0 | N/A | NR | NR | NR | NR | NR | NR | 0.000% | 1 | 0.00% | N/A | N/A | N/A | 0.00% | N/A | N/A | N/A
2 | 01/03/2020 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 0.00% | 0.00% | 0 | N/A | NR | NR | NR | NR | NR | NR | 0.000% | 1 | 0.00% | N/A | N/A | N/A | 0.00% | N/A | N/A | N/A
3 | 02/03/2020 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 0.00% | 0.00% | 0 | N/A | NR | NR | NR | NR | NR | NR | 0.000% | 1 | 0.00% | N/A | N/A | 0.00% | 0.00% | N/A | N/A | 0.00%
4 | 03/03/2020 | 1 | 1 | 2 | 100.00% | 0.00% | 0 | N/A | NR | NR | NR | NR | NR | NR | 0.000% | 2 | 25.00% | N/A | N/A | 33.33% | 0.00% | N/A | N/A | 0.00%
5 | 04/03/2020 | 2 | 4 | 6 | 200.00% | 300.00% | 0 | N/A | NR | NR | NR | NR | NR | NR | 0.000% | 6 | 60.00% | N/A | N/A | 100.00% | 60.00% | N/A | N/A | 100.00%
6 | 05/03/2020 | 6 | 7 | 13 | 116.67% | 75.00% | 0 | N/A | NR | NR | NR | NR | NR | NR | 0.000% | 13 | 69.44% | N/A | N/A | 138.89% | 62.50% | N/A | N/A | 125.00%
7 | 06/03/2020 | 13 | 5 | 18 | 38.46% | -28.57% | 0 | N/A | NR | NR | NR | NR | NR | NR | 0.000% | 18 | 65.02% | N/A | 65.02% | 118.38% | 49.49% | N/A | 49.49% | 115.48%
8 | 07/03/2020 | 18 | 1 | 19 | 5.56% | -80.00% | 0 | N/A | NR | NR | NR | NR | NR | NR | 0.000% | 19 | 57.59% | N/A | 65.81% | 53.56% | 33.30% | N/A | 38.06% | -11.19%
9 | 08/03/2020 | 19 | 2 | 21 | 10.53% | 100.00% | 0 | N/A | NR | NR | NR | NR | NR | NR | 0.000% | 21 | 52.36% | N/A | 67.32% | 18.18% | 40.71% | N/A | 52.35% | -2.86%
10 | 09/03/2020 | 21 | 3 | 24 | 14.29% | 50.00% | 0 | N/A | NR | NR | NR | NR | NR | NR | 0.000% | 24 | 48.55% | 48.55% | 69.36% | 10.12% | 41.64% | 41.64% | 59.49% | 23.33%
11 | 10/03/2020 | 24 | 10 | 34 | 41.67% | 233.33% | 0 | N/A | NR | NR | NR | NR | NR | NR | 0.001% | 34 | 47.92% | 52.72% | 61.02% | 22.16% | 59.07% | 64.98% | 92.82% | 127.78%
12 | 11/03/2020 | 34 | 9 | 43 | 26.47% | -10.00% | 1 | 2.33% | NR | NR | NR | NR | NR | NR | 0.001% | 42 | 46.14% | 55.36% | 36.23% | 27.47% | 53.31% | 63.98% | 48.54% | 91.11%
13 | 12/03/2020 | 43 | 27 | 70 | 62.79% | 200.00% | 1 | 1.43% | NR | NR | NR | NR | NR | NR | 0.001% | 69 | 47.42% | 61.64% | 28.54% | 43.64% | 64.60% | 83.98% | 66.39% | 141.11%
14 | 13/03/2020 | 70 | 20 | 90 | 28.57% | -25.93% | 1 | 1.11% | NR | NR | NR | NR | NR | NR | 0.002% | 89 | 46.07% | 54.50% | 27.12% | 39.28% | 58.13% | 81.38% | 66.77% | 54.69%
15 | 14/03/2020 | 90 | 39 | 129 | 43.33% | 95.00% | 2 | 1.55% | NR | NR | NR | NR | NR | NR | 0.003% | 127 | 45.89% | 38.83% | 32.52% | 44.90% | 60.59% | 60.88% | 91.77% | 89.69%
16 | 15/03/2020 | 129 | 40 | 169 | 31.01% | 2.56% | 2 | 1.18% | NR | NR | NR | NR | NR | NR | 0.003% | 167 | 44.96% | 30.27% | 35.45% | 34.30% | 56.96% | 53.64% | 77.85% | 23.88%
17 | 16/03/2020 | 169 | 54 | 223 | 31.95% | 35.00% | 2 | 0.90% | 84 | 37.7% | 6 | 2.69% | 5 | 2.24% | 0.005% | 216 | 44.19% | 29.62% | 37.97% | 35.43% | 55.67% | 60.00% | 75.71% | 44.19%
18 | 17/03/2020 | 223 | 69 | 292 | 30.94% | 27.78% | 2 | 0.68% | 108 | 37.0% | 7 | 2.40% | 5 | 1.71% | 0.006% | 285 | 43.46% | 32.15% | 36.44% | 31.30% | 54.12% | 70.77% | 46.35% | 21.78%
19 | 18/03/2020 | 292 | 74 | 366 | 25.34% | 7.25% | 2 | 0.55% | 140 | 38.3% | 12 | 3.28% | 5 | 1.37% | 0.007% | 359 | 42.50% | 33.64% | 36.28% | 29.41% | 51.65% | 61.50% | 48.81% | 23.34%
20 | 19/03/2020 | 366 | 191 | 557 | 52.19% | 158.11% | 3 | 0.54% | 173 | 31.1% | 13 | 2.33% | 5 | 0.90% | 0.011% | 549 | 42.99% | 37.43% | 34.76% | 36.16% | 56.98% | 72.31% | 42.82% | 64.38%
21 | 20/03/2020 | 557 | 126 | 683 | 22.62% | -34.03% | 3 | 0.44% | 211 | 30.9% | 17 | 2.49% | 5 | 0.73% | 0.014% | 675 | 42.02% | 35.52% | 33.91% | 33.38% | 52.64% | 45.57% | 41.67% | 43.77%
22 | 21/03/2020 | 683 | 102 | 785 | 14.93% | -19.05% | 3 | 0.38% | 239 | 30.4% | 25 | 3.18% | 5 | 0.64% | 0.016% | 777 | 40.79% | 34.37% | 29.86% | 29.91% | 49.38% | 44.67% | 25.37% | 35.01%
23 | 22/03/2020 | 785 | 121 | 906 | 15.41% | 18.63% | 4 | 0.44% | 277 | 30.6% | 36 | 3.97% | 5 | 0.55% | 0.018% | 897 | 39.68% | 29.63% | 27.63% | 17.66% | 48.05% | 26.53% | 27.67% | -11.48%
24 | 23/03/2020 | 906 | 219 | 1125 | 24.17% | 80.99% | 6 | 0.53% | 305 | 27.1% | 39 | 3.47% | 5 | 0.44% | 0.023% | 1114 | 39.04% | 29.19% | 26.52% | 18.17% | 49.42% | 37.22% | 34.24% | 26.86%
25 | 24/03/2020 | 1125 | 204 | 1329 | 18.13% | -6.85% | 7 | 0.53% | 340 | 25.6% | 47 | 3.54% | 5 | 0.38% | 0.027% | 1317 | 38.20% | 26.67% | 24.69% | 19.24% | 47.17% | 27.04% | 29.29% | 30.92%
26 | 25/03/2020 | 1329 | 235 | 1564 | 17.68% | 15.20% | 9 | 0.58% | 419 | 26.8% | 59 | 3.77% | 5 | 0.32% | 0.032% | 1550 | 37.41% | 25.34% | 23.59% | 20.00% | 45.94% | 28.30% | 30.43% | 29.78%
27 | 26/03/2020 | 1564 | 255 | 1819 | 16.30% | 8.51% | 19 | 1.04% | 489 | 26.9% | 67 | 3.68% | 5 | 0.27% | 0.037% | 1795 | 36.63% | 23.77% | 18.47% | 17.37% | 44.55% | 25.65% | 9.06% | 5.62%
28 | 27/03/2020 | 1819 | 302 | 2121 | 16.60% | 18.43% | 22 | 1.04% | 564 | 26.6% | 77 | 3.63% | 5 | 0.24% | 0.043% | 2094 | 35.92% | 22.34% | 17.61% | 16.86% | 43.62% | 24.72% | 16.55% | 14.05%
29 | 28/03/2020 | 2121 | 294 | 2415 | 13.86% | -2.65% | 36 | 1.49% | 645 | 26.7% | 84 | 3.48% | 5 | 0.21% | 0.049% | 2374 | 35.15% | 21.19% | 17.45% | 15.59% | 42.02% | 23.73% | 18.89% | 8.10%
30 | 29/03/2020 | 2415 | 200 | 2615 | 8.28% | -31.97% | 46 | 1.76% | 703 | 26.9% | 113 | 4.32% | 5 | 0.19% | 0.053% | 2564 | 34.26% | 16.80% | 16.43% | 12.92% | 39.56% | 4.72% | 11.67% | -5.40%
31 | 30/03/2020 | 2615 | 295 | 2910 | 11.28% | 47.50% | 54 | 1.86% | 834 | 28.7% | 126 | 4.33% | 5 | 0.17% | 0.059% | 2851 | 33.52% | 15.67% | 14.59% | 11.14% | 39.81% | 12.87% | 6.88% | 4.29%
32 | 31/03/2020 | 2910 | 325 | 3235 | 11.17% | 10.17% | 71 | 2.19% | 932 | 28.8% | 134 | 4.14% | 5 | 0.15% | 0.066% | 3159 | 32.82% | 15.29% | 13.60% | 10.24% | 38.89% | 15.80% | 9.31% | 8.57%
33 | 01/04/2020 | 3235 | 212 | 3447 | 6.55% | -34.77% | 85 | 2.47% | 1039 | 30.1% | 148 | 4.29% | 5 | 0.15% | 0.070% | 3357 | 32.02% | 14.40% | 12.01% | 9.67% | 36.66% | 10.46% | 2.17% | 7.63%
34 | 02/04/2020 | 3447 | 402 | 3849 | 11.66% | 89.62% | 98 | 2.55% | 0 | 0.0% | 148 | 3.85% | 5 | 0.13% | 0.078% | 3746 | 31.42% | 13.15% | 11.34% | 9.79% | 38.21% | 11.32% | 13.76% | 21.67%
35 | 03/04/2020 | 3849 | 424 | 4273 | 11.02% | 5.47% | 120 | 2.81% | 0 | 0.0% | 148 | 3.46% | 5 | 0.12% | 0.087% | 4148 | 30.84% | 12.44% | 10.55% | 9.74% | 37.28% | 12.55% | 11.91% | 20.11%




NR = Not Reported
▲ = Daily case increase averaged over the past 10, 7 and 3 days and from day 1
■ = Daily case reporting change averaged over the past 10, 7 and 3 days and from day 1


Source: Department of Health and the Health Protection Surveillaence Centre.

*"Recovered" rates are not reported by the Department of Health in the above link, these figures are taken from the Worldmeters and Johns Hopkins websites which use data suplied by the DoT to the ECDC under the WHO Guidelines for reporting. Recovered statistics can only be published as "recovered" following two successful tests of being clear of the virus under the WHO reporting guidelines, as a result it is likely the recovered data is skewed.

** Due to the above issue with reporting of revovered cases the number of active cases is also likely skewed.

Day 20 - Thursday 19/03/20 Stats
Day 21 - Friday 20/03/20 Stats
Day 22 - Saturday 21/03/20 Stats
Day 23 - Sunday 22/03/20 Stats
Day 24 - Monday 23/03/20 Stats
Day 25 - Tuesday 24/03/20 Stats
Day 26 - Wednesday 25/03/20 Stats
Day 27 - Thursday 26/03/20 Stats
Day 28 - Friday 27/03/20 Stats
Day 29 - Saturday 28/03/20 Stats
Day 30 - Sunday 29/03/20 Stats
Day 31 - Monday 30/03/20 Stats
Day 32 - Tuesday 31/03/20 Stats
Day 33 - Wednesday 01/04/20 Stats
Day 34 - Thursday 02/04/20 Stats

:eek::eek::eek::eek:

MY EYES ...MY EYES

EDit

tobefrank321 wrote: »

Good points. Do you think one good thing to come from this in future is a focusing on cocooning vulnerable groups during the normal flu seasons? So the elderly with underlying conditions. This would in turn make some difference to trolley numbers in hospitals.

It’s an interesting question. My concern would be compliance. If you try to restrict the movements of one sector of society (eg, over 70s) but everyone else can operate as normal.. (a) I’d expect a large amount of non-compliance, and (b) how do you police that non-compliance? (I don’t think anyone wants to see the Gards dragging pensioners out of supermarkets to be escorted back into lockdown)

Achasanai

EDit wrote: »

It’s an interesting question. My concern would be compliance. If you try to restrict the movements of one sector of society (eg, over 70s) but everyone else can operate as normal.. (a) I’d expect a large amount of non-compliance, and (b) how do you police that non-compliance? (I don’t think anyone wants to see the Gards dragging pensioners out of supermarkets to be escorted back into lockdown)

You'll never get full compliance (we don't have it at the moment) but I think the idea would be to minimise it so that hospitals can cope better. Some will comply and that will help the figures.


I think on a related matter that things like good and proper hygiene (particularly with regards to washing one's hands) should be reaffirmed on a regular basis, and in particular coming up to the flu season. You're never going to get all those manks who don't bother washing their hands at all, but it might have an impact on people who do a quick rinse after using the toilet and think they've washed their hands.

FVP3

rusty the athlete wrote: »

So what Swedish newspapers do you read on a regular basis? None I'm guessing which makes your post utter BS. My daily read is the 'Svenska Dagbladet' which if you read you would find is extremely critical of government policy.

He's a pro Trump troll. As the US figures get ever worse than anywhere else you see these guys claiming that all other countries are lying. Iran and China (natch) but now apparently Sweden and Germany and most of Europe.

There's a strong relationship between those blaming the government here and pro Trump supporters as well. While there are of course problems with the Irish response, it was better than the US federal response.

Bushmaster64 wrote: »

I know of at least one person (elderly with underlying) in the UK who died outside of hospital and the doctor said it was almost certainly Covid-19 but no test will be given. Resources for tests on already dead people just aren't there.

So that death will not feature in the official figures. Bound to be more such incidents.

This is different to actually fudging the numbers as some countries are clearly doing.

Most of Europe except the UK. The UK is not fudging the numbers. It's just everybody else in the whole world. So probably a pro brexit and pro Trump troll.

FVP3

The Irish increase to 402 is a bit worrying as it stayed high the next day. Anybody got an explanation on that? The backlog of testing is being caught up?

( I know the Irish test figures are not every exact but wondering if anything specifically happened that day).

FVP3

Achasanai wrote: »

You'll never get full compliance (we don't have it at the moment) but I think the idea would be to minimise it so that hospitals can cope better. Some will comply and that will help the figures.


I think on a related matter that things like good and proper hygiene (particularly with regards to washing one's hands) should be reaffirmed on a regular basis, and in particular coming up to the flu season. You're never going to get all those manks who don't bother washing their hands at all, but it might have an impact on people who do a quick rinse after using the toilet and think they've washed their hands.

The hardest thing would be to totally cocoon elderly people so they can never see their grandchildren, or see a confirmation, or go to a wedding, or even have people visit. A vaccine is clear necessary.

Blueshoe

One of my coworkers is married to a nurse. She has told him that health staff are "dropping like flies" . They are becoming infected in large numbers and obviously cannot work for a period . Moral is very low and they are rightly very worried. A serious staff shortage is starting to come to the boil.

Achasanai

FVP3 wrote: »

The Irish increase to 402 is a bit worrying as it stayed high the next day. Anybody got an explanation on that? The backlog of testing is being caught up?

( I know the Irish test figures are not every exact but wondering if anything specifically happened that day).

The key is to look at the percentage increase. If we're at an 11% increase, these numbers will continue to rise (I'm guessing we could expect 470 or so today if that number keeps up) and will do so until we reach that peak. The percentage increases we're seeing at the moment are, as far as I am aware, the lowest percentage increases since our first case (obviously, with only one case, you're going to get huge percentage increases in the early days).



All of the above subject to the usual reservations regarding how many we're testing, etc.

Achasanai

FVP3 wrote: »

The hardest thing would be to totally cocoon elderly people so they can never see their grandchildren, or see a confirmation, or go to a wedding, or even have people visit. A vaccine is clear necessary.

Absolutely. I thought the original point was with regards to the normal flu? In that case, we have a vaccine so the cocooning wouldn't be as extreme as what we have now. Maybe I misunderstood.

BanditLuke

Blueshoe wrote: »

One of my coworkers is married to a nurse. She has told him that health staff are "dropping like flies" . They are becoming infected in large numbers and obviously cannot work for a period . Moral is very low and they are rightly very worried. A serious staff shortage is starting to come to the boil.

Dreadful absolutely dreadful. The lack of PPE is unacceptable and leaves the HSE and our government with serious questions to answer. May god help them over these next few weeks

Stacksofwacks

So basically we should have shut down the last week in Feb, but not to worry we couldnt have known the seriousness at that stage

Jinglejangle69

148 in ICU.

Majority under 65.

This is only getting started.

otnomart

Achasanai wrote: »

Soap is great, but hand sanitizer is good for when you're out and about.

I wear gloves when I go out to the shops and then wash hands with soap when I get home.
Wipes can be an alternative to the sanitizer at a pinch, when not possible to wash hands. Have got some "moist lens wipes" from Boots that contain alcohol (label does not give the percentage, though).

Jinglejangle69

Blueshoe wrote: »

One of my coworkers is married to a nurse. She has told him that health staff are "dropping like flies" . They are becoming infected in large numbers and obviously cannot work for a period . Moral is very low and they are rightly very worried. A serious staff shortage is starting to come to the boil.

Just heard from Tony Hoolahan that 1/4 picked it up in work.

Thought it would be more.

Funsterdelux

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Just heard from Tony Hoolahan that 1/4 picked it up in work.

Thought it would be more.

How is he?

awec

Tanner Cold Needlepoint wrote: »

I had assumed all primary school kids still got the BCG, never realised they stopped it. How are they vaccinating against TB now?

I got it in the 90’s in primary school and have siblings who got it a number of years later also.



BCG was definitely a primary school vaccine, I remember all the lead up to it and getting it even with the big needles etc.

They don't. Infections of TB is tiny now compared to what it was.

Drumpot

Saw the vitamin D recommendation in some Irish papers yesterday. Seems like western countries media can’t even research properly. Same thing with the whole distance and masks situation that’s changed recently.

All this information was available at The start of febaryary for anybody interested in this. I’d say more boardsies who were on the first thread with me know more about this for months, then some countries that seem to be so slow to cop on to these things.

“Don’t trust the Chinese on anything” is such a naieve approach to take. It’s not that their authority’s haven’t made mistakes or haven’t lied at different times. But a lot of what they said months ago and what they did to control it is now being confirmed and replicated.

It’s quite remarkable how politics and xenophobia can be so self destructive to the response of some countries.

In terms of honesty of numbers, I generally believe the amount tested and confirmed cases in most countries. The deaths not so much. I’d say that there has been a bit of fudging , possible down to admin or negligence. Are people who die , but hadn’t been tested for CoOVID19 automatically tested for the virus? Are all rhespiratory related deaths checked for COVID19? It doesn’t necessarily have to be a conspiracy against countries but mistakes are being made by everyone so it wouldn’t be a surprise if a lot of Covid deaths are unreported.