CoVid19 Part XII - 4,604 in ROI (137 deaths) 998 in NI (56 deaths)(04/04) **Read OP**

kilkenny31

Maestro85 wrote: »

Right now the government and institutes dealing with this are operating in the mindset of "encouraging the public to work together to 'flatten the curve' and delay and reduce the COVID-19 epidemic peak."

Key words here are delay the peak. This will go on for another month at least and then if we are lucky, really lucky, there will be a wind-down phase where things gradually get back to some sense of normalcy but what was normal to us before this crisis will be a long time coming back.

My sector, tourism, is in ruins, jobs will be lost in there droves in the coming months, the economic impact will be harder than anything we have experienced in our lifetime and people think these restrictions will ease in 2 weeks. If people get a sense of hope in saying it will ease in 2 weeks then fine. I can only determine my actions and I am preparing for this t go on for months. We can only deal with what is in front of us, one thing at a time.

For the sake of people like you is precisely why it shouldn't go on long term. We need some normality back before the summer (June). This can be done all the while keeping social distancing measures in place and banning large crowds. Also by keeping high risk people isolated. Restaurants and hotels can open back up. As can most major work places.

ZX7R

wadacrack wrote: »

Russia, Norway, Israel. Czech Republic, Poland, Greece, Serbia, Slovenia, Ukraine, Bosnia, Bulgaria and Croatia all have lower deaths than Ireland

Poland are not recording deaths with underlying issues also they are also not recording deaths in institution is nursing homes, orphanages, special needs homes and prisons

growleaves

Meanwhile. in the UK, some folk believe the have found the cause of the spreading of the virus - 5G phone masts
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/113201...-theory-masts/

There's no evidence in the article to support the headline.

Other articles about '5G arsonists' don't mention this coronavirus theory at all.

threeball

Looptheloop30 wrote: »

If the numbers don't escalate is the key thing.

But they are escalating and the will escalate further.

By Wednesday there were 101 covid19 related deaths on the island of Ireland.

In the past three days there have been 92 more deaths on the island.

I don't have the time explain the phenomenon of exponential growth however a dose of realism is needed in a lot of quarters.

At least that way if fewer deaths transpire than what you are expecting then that is a massive bonus.

End of the day we all are and will be further affected. There are people behind the numbers.

An in increase from 2 to 10 deaths in 3 days could be classified as exponential. I think its you who needs a dose of realism. Our trend is very consistent both in cases and deaths and we are very near 14 days since our measures were introduced. Are you suggesting that our death rate is on the verge of sky rocketing, because expecting anything less than the deaths we have experienced isn't even slightly realistic. Yes we will continue to see deaths but i expect it to remain in and around the figures we are seeing at the moment. At this rate it would take one month of deaths to even get close to what spain, italy, france or the uk see in a day. Even adjusting for population thats a pretty decent position.

Funsterdelux

john why wrote: »

Worldometer reporting 26,030 death's for France yesterday . That must be a mistake yeah?

bodhrandude wrote: »

How did that happen?

Theyve added nursing home figures, if you read the sources on worldometer it gives explanations of large numbers.

kwestfan08

ZX7R wrote: »

Poland are not recording deaths with underlying issues also they are also not recording deaths in institution is nursing homes, orphanages, special needs homes and prisons

How is Poland doing case wise? I know around here it was being held up as a bastion of what to do ie closing schools, shutting boarders etc.

Pinch Flat

devnull wrote: »

Meanwhile. in the UK, some folk believe the have found the cause of the spreading of the virus - 5G phone masts
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11320198/coronavirus-5g-conspiracy-theory-masts/

Therefore there's reports of several being burnt down following celebrities promoting the conspiracy theory.

In fairness, anyone reading the Sun and believing this is probably going to have a fairly low IQ anyway.

devnull

growleaves wrote: »

There's no evidence in the article to support the headline.

Other articles about '5G arsonists' don't mention this coronavirus theory at all.

It was reported in the press conference this afternoon as well
https://twitter.com/DCMS/status/1246106312452321280

threeball

marilynrr wrote: »

The radio link was shared on here. I can't remember the station but maybe someone here has the link.
I thought the person who posted it was mistaken as well until I listened to it!!

I posted it. It was on 4fm the afternoon talk show with niall boylan. Horrible to listen to a woman with 3 kids kissing goodbye to what days she had left.

eagle eye

threeball wrote:

Another 17 deaths unfortunately but all things considered we're doing remarkably well, im sure two weeks ago, seeing the numbers that have unfolded across Europe, if anyone told you we'd be at the numbers we're at you'd have taken it with both hands.

How do you know we are doing remarkably well with the limited number of tests being done? We have no clue where things are at. We don't even know if there have been deaths due to covid-19 that have happened in the home due to people self-isolating and not getting tested/treated on time. Has this happened? Have those deaths been added to the numbers?

devnull

Pinch Flat wrote: »

In fairness, anyone reading the Sun and believing this is probably going to have a fairly low IQ anyway.

The Sun wasn't the origin of the story, I just posted their link because it was one with actual footage.

hmmm

devnull wrote: »

Meanwhile. in the UK, some folk believe the have found the cause of the spreading of the virus - 5G phone masts
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11320198/coronavirus-5g-conspiracy-theory-masts/

Therefore there's reports of several being burnt down following celebrities promoting the conspiracy theory.

Better than burning witches, which these people would have been doing a few hundred years ago.

threeball

wadacrack wrote: »

Russia, Norway, Israel. Czech Republic, Poland, Greece, Serbia, Slovenia, Ukraine, Bosnia, Bulgaria and Croatia all have lower deaths than Ireland

I see you're very liberal in your use of the term liberal democracy. I already said ex iron curtain countries had less issues closing borders. As for Russia FFS, get a grip.

Lundstram

Documentary on Lombardy on Sky News just starting.

Professor Moriarty

threeball wrote: »

I see you're very liberal in your use of the term liberal democracy. I already said ex iron curtain countries had less issues closing borders. As for Russia FFS, get a grip.

Luxembourg has 31 deaths and Russia has 43. Putin is the man.

growleaves

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

Also, of course it's scientifically unproven. This is a novel virus. Quality research on it will take a while to produce. Shall we let people die in the meantime, whilst we are waiting for that research materialise?

It isn't as if turning the whole world into a prison is standard medical practice for dealing with any virus. In the past it was sick people who were quarantined.

Before this illness, the word 'lockdown' was exclusively used in relation to prisons. Only convicted murderers and the like were locked down.

Achasanai

threeball wrote: »

An in increase from 2 to 10 deaths in 3 days could be classified as exponential. I think its you who needs a dose of realism. Our trend is very consistent both in cases and deaths and we are very near 14 days since our measures were introduced. Are you suggesting that our death rate is on the verge of sky rocketing, because expecting anything less than the deaths we have experienced isn't even slightly realistic. Yes we will continue to see deaths but i expect it to remain in and around the figures we are seeing at the moment. At this rate it would take one month of deaths to even get close to what spain, italy, france or the uk see in a day. Even adjusting for population thats a pretty decent position.

We were never going to see those amounts of deaths per day at this stage because of our population. If we judge by head of population (flawed in many ways, of course) we are only behind Belgium and Spain (and, I assume the microstates).

Just Saying

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

One day's figures can't constitute a trend, by any stretch of the imagination. The peak is at least 10 days away. And after new cases reduce (not disappear by any means) the death rate will climb for weeks afterwards.

I could be very wrong but I think the death rate will peak by next weekend...If it doesn't we are in trouble.We will have had 4 weeks of restrictions / social distancing and 2 weeks of virtual lockdown by then.

I would love to know how many deaths have occured due to the Nursing Home clusters.The low numbers of ICU deaths and the median age of the deaths would suggest that a high percentage of the deaths are in Nursing Homes.

The drop in numbers required for contact tracing and the reduction in the Reinfection rate would both indicate that it has not spread like wildfire like the UK and other European countries.

I'm hopeful.

RugbyLad11

Some good news:

In Northern Italy, 60 volunteers who thought they'd never suffered COVID-19 gave blood. 40 of them tested positive for antibodies to the virus.

https://www.lastampa.it/topnews/primo-piano/2020/04/02/news/coronavirus-castiglione-d-adda-e-un-caso-di-studio-il-70-dei-donatori-di-sangue-e-positivo-1.38666481

This means could mean that a lot of people get it without even knowing, meaning the death rate is much much lower than we think.

growleaves

I hope there are studies done on the public health effect of the 'lockdown', both to mental and physical health.

ZX7R

kwestfan08 wrote: »

How is Poland doing case wise? I know around here it was being held up as a bastion of what to do ie closing schools, shutting boarders etc.

Poland have pretty much the same restrictions as here except they closed there borders and closed there school s a week before us.
But there testing is only done if you end up in hospital.
No contact testing no community testing.
People who show moderate systems are told to isolate for two weeks

igCorcaigh

igCorcaigh wrote: »

Sky news are having a special programme at 9.

Ok, I have not much love for sky news, but Im going to watch it.

Ok, it's hyperbolic nonsense lol!

facehugger99

eagle eye wrote: »

Have those deaths been added to the numbers?

Considering you've just invented them in your head, probably not.

threeball

eagle eye wrote: »

How do you know we are doing remarkably well with the limited number of tests being done? We have no clue where things are at. We don't even know if there have been deaths due to covid-19 that have happened in the home due to people self-isolating and not getting tested/treated on time. Has this happened? Have those deaths been added to the numbers?

Because i care more about deaths and ICU numbers than tests. And yes i believe because our numbers are so low that all deaths are being recorded properly. Deaths at the end of the day is what all this will be judged on. We're not doing badly test wise per capita either if you look at worldometers

leavingirl

Unless real Irish people stand up now and do something our country is going to be plundered forever. The Irish Times today is reporting that the lockdown could continue for TWELVE MONTHS. This will ruin me financially and everyone around me.

"The announcement came as it was confirmed on Saturday that some of the restrictions on work, travel and education, could remain in place until a vaccine is found, which could take six to 12 months, according to the HSE."

I am now begging people to really look at what's going on here before it's too late.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/health/coronavirus-another-17-deaths-and-331-new-cases-reported-1.4221138%3fmode=amp

spookwoman

Those French numbers that are on worldometers are showing on Johns Hopkins. The 90,842 includes French colonies

threeball

Achasanai wrote: »

We were never going to see those amounts of deaths per day at this stage because of our population. If we judge by head of population (flawed in many ways, of course) we are only behind Belgium and Spain (and, I assume the microstates).

I think you need a new calculator

Away With The Fairies

ChikiChiki wrote: »

Charged for negligence certainly as they have failed in their duty of care.

Honestly after hearing of a girl whose manager asked her to come into work straight after coming home from the states, these numpty brainless jobsworth managers are so incredibly short sighted and dangerous. They are one of the biggest threats to us combating the virus.

If these people die because of one idiot coming in with a "cold" and the employer knew about it and wouldn't send them home, they should be charged with murder. Because that's exactly what's happening.

Lundstram

leavingirl wrote: »

Unless real Irish people stand up now and do something our country is going to be plundered forever. The Irish Times today is reporting that the lockdown could continue for TWELVE MONTHS. This will ruin me financially and everyone around me.

"The announcement came as it was confirmed on Saturday that some of the restrictions on work, travel and education, could remain in place until a vaccine is found, which could take six to 12 months, according to the HSE."

I am now begging people to really look at what's going on here before it's too late.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/health/coronavirus-another-17-deaths-and-331-new-cases-reported-1.4221138%3fmode=amp

Can we leave this histerical sh1te to Facebook. :rolleyes:

Rob A. Bank

growleaves wrote: »

There's no evidence in the article to support the headline.

Other articles about '5G arsonists' don't mention this coronavirus theory at all.

Ahem.... https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-52164358

mosii

Trump is on,the leader of the free world.

devnull

ZX7R wrote: »

Poland have pretty much the same restrictions as here except they closed there borders and closed there school s a week before us.
But there testing is only done if you end up in hospital.
No contact testing no community testing.
People who show moderate systems are told to isolate for two weeks

In Poland they kept the churches open (with restrictions) and also permitted family members from different households to meet, since the Government over there are very pro church and traditional when it comes to family.

They'll also shortly be loosening regulations around religious events.

Stheno

leavingirl wrote: »

Unless real Irish people stand up now and do something our country is going to be plundered forever. The Irish Times today is reporting that the lockdown could continue for TWELVE MONTHS. This will ruin me financially and everyone around me.

"The announcement came as it was confirmed on Saturday that some of the restrictions on work, travel and education, could remain in place until a vaccine is found, which could take six to 12 months, according to the HSE."

I am now begging people to really look at what's going on here before it's too late.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/health/coronavirus-another-17-deaths-and-331-new-cases-reported-1.4221138%3fmode=amp

Can you not read? You clearly quoted "SOME of the restrictions COULD remain in place" and the timeframe was six to twelve months

Go away with the hysterical ****e

OscarMIlde

leavingirl wrote: »

Unless real Irish people stand up now and do something our country is going to be plundered forever. The Irish Times today is reporting that the lockdown could continue for TWELVE MONTHS. This will ruin me financially and everyone around me.

"The announcement came as it was confirmed on Saturday that some of the restrictions on work, travel and education, could remain in place until a vaccine is found, which could take six to 12 months, according to the HSE."

I am now begging people to really look at what's going on here before it's too late.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/health/coronavirus-another-17-deaths-and-331-new-cases-reported-1.4221138%3fmode=amp

What about the people who will inevitably die needlessly due to premature lifting of the lockdown? It could be one of your friends and family who could suffer. You should be ashamed of yourself.

Away With The Fairies

RugbyLad11 wrote: »

Some good news:

In Northern Italy, 60 volunteers who thought they'd never suffered COVID-19 gave blood. 40 of them tested positive for antibodies to the virus.

https://www.lastampa.it/topnews/primo-piano/2020/04/02/news/coronavirus-castiglione-d-adda-e-un-caso-di-studio-il-70-dei-donatori-di-sangue-e-positivo-1.38666481

This means could mean that a lot of people get it without even knowing, meaning the death rate is much much lower than we think.

I don't know what version I want. Knowing or not knowing.

Not knowing and spreading it. Knowing and thinking am I going to die.

growleaves

Rob A. Bank wrote: »

Ahem.... https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-52164358

I still see no evidence that there is any connection between the burning down of 5G masts by people who are opposed to 5G...and this new conspiracy theory that 5G masts are somehow connected to coronavirus (and this theory is promulgated by who exactly?)

If this evidence exists, where is it?

threeball

Achasanai wrote: »

We were never going to see those amounts of deaths per day at this stage because of our population. If we judge by head of population (flawed in many ways, of course) we are only behind Belgium and Spain (and, I assume the microstates).

I think you need a new calculator

threeball

Achasanai wrote: »

We were never going to see those amounts of deaths per day at this stage because of our population. If we judge by head of population (flawed in many ways, of course) we are only behind Belgium and Spain (and, I assume the microstates).

I think you need a new calculator

Roger_007

mosii wrote: »

Trump is on,the leader of the free world.

Does he still think it’s all a hoax?

Cork Boy 53

leavingirl wrote: »

Unless real Irish people stand up now and do something our country is going to be plundered forever. The Irish Times today is reporting that the lockdown could continue for TWELVE MONTHS. This will ruin me financially and everyone around me.

"The announcement came as it was confirmed on Saturday that some of the restrictions on work, travel and education, could remain in place until a vaccine is found, which could take six to 12 months, according to the HSE."

I am now begging people to really look at what's going on here before it's too late.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/health/coronavirus-another-17-deaths-and-331-new-cases-reported-1.4221138%3fmode=amp

The government and the majority of the population have been taking steps to protect themselves and slowing the spread of the virus as much as possible. Other than ranting on here what exactly have you been doing?

threeball

leavingirl wrote: »

Unless real Irish people stand up now and do something our country is going to be plundered forever. The Irish Times today is reporting that the lockdown could continue for TWELVE MONTHS. This will ruin me financially and everyone around me.

"The announcement came as it was confirmed on Saturday that some of the restrictions on work, travel and education, could remain in place until a vaccine is found, which could take six to 12 months, according to the HSE."

I am now begging people to really look at what's going on here before it's too late.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/health/coronavirus-another-17-deaths-and-331-new-cases-reported-1.4221138%3fmode=amp

You should join a militia

ZX7R

devnull wrote: »

In Poland they kept the churches open (with restrictions) and also permitted family members from different households to meet, since the Government over there are very pro church and traditional when it comes to family.

They'll also shortly be loosening regulations around religious events.

I know my wife is polish.
Poland are to have an election in may many polish believe true figures will come out after that

Away With The Fairies

leavingirl wrote: »

Unless real Irish people stand up now and do something our country is going to be plundered forever. The Irish Times today is reporting that the lockdown could continue for TWELVE MONTHS. This will ruin me financially and everyone around me.

"The announcement came as it was confirmed on Saturday that some of the restrictions on work, travel and education, could remain in place until a vaccine is found, which could take six to 12 months, according to the HSE."

I am now begging people to really look at what's going on here before it's too late.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/health/coronavirus-another-17-deaths-and-331-new-cases-reported-1.4221138%3fmode=amp

Stand up and do what? What do you want us to do?

podgeandrodge

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

One day's figures cannot constitute a trend by any stretch of the imagination. The peak is seven to ten days away at best and even then new cases will continue for some time. Even after the peak the death rate will continue to rise for some weeks more.

where are all the new cases over the next few weeks coming from though?

josip

Looptheloop30 wrote: »

If the numbers don't escalate is the key thing.

But they are escalating and the will escalate further.

By Wednesday there were 101 covid19 related deaths on the island of Ireland.

In the past three days there have been 92 more deaths on the island.

I don't have the time explain the phenomenon of exponential growth however a dose of realism is needed in a lot of quarters.

At least that way if fewer deaths transpire than what you are expecting then that is a massive bonus.

End of the day we all are and will be further affected. There are people behind the numbers.

Deaths are a lagging indicator.

froog

celebrity doctor Dr. Drew currently grovelling on twitter after a videos came out compiling all his nonsense the last few weeks saying this was no worse than the flu.

https://twitter.com/drdrew?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

Danzy

OscarMIlde wrote: »

What about the people who will inevitably die needlessly due to premature lifting of the lockdown? It could be one of your friends and family who could suffer. You should be ashamed of yourself.

If a lockdown goes on for 12 months, democracy would have to be suspended, just for starters.

It won't go on that long or else it's fall of Rome stuff, not just the risk of a global depression we are at now.

Funsterdelux

leavingirl wrote: »

Unless real Irish people stand up now and do something our country is going to be plundered forever. The Irish Times today is reporting that the lockdown could continue for TWELVE MONTHS. This will ruin me financially and everyone around me.

"The announcement came as it was confirmed on Saturday that some of the restrictions on work, travel and education, could remain in place until a vaccine is found, which could take six to 12 months, according to the HSE."

I am now begging people to really look at what's going on here before it's too late.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/health/coronavirus-another-17-deaths-and-331-new-cases-reported-1.4221138%3fmode=amp

Sure ya can go on the dole if you are stuck.

Away With The Fairies

OscarMIlde wrote: »

What about the people who will inevitably die needlessly due to premature lifting of the lockdown? It could be one of your friends and family who could suffer. You should be ashamed of yourself.

All because she wants to save her bank balance.

ZX7R

I thought results from the testing some of our back log 15000 tests were due to start today.
Any news on when these results will start to be included in Daly figures