CoVid19 Part XII - 4,604 in ROI (137 deaths) 998 in NI (56 deaths)(04/04) **Read OP**

Jim_Hodge

fin12 wrote: »

Leo Varadkar.

You probably think that's edgy or clever but in reality you need to have a look at how countries have handled this. I didn't vote FG but I can't fault his handling in terms of timing, level of response etc. Anything that wasn't perfect was a failing in every country.

Jim_Hodge

fin12 wrote: »

Leo Varadkar.

You probably think that's edgy or clever but in reality you need to have a look at how countries have handled this. I didn't vote FG but I can't fault his handling in terms of timing, level of response etc. Anything that wasn't perfect was a failing in every country.

Tell me how

ShineOn7 wrote: »

I posted this in Devore's Hope thread, but it's worth repeating in a main daily thread ...

"The number of people that a person with Covid-19 is infecting in Ireland is reducing.

The "RE" number, or the reproductive rate of the virus, refers to how many other people a confirmed case goes on to infect, and it is closely monitored by health officials.

I'm tempering my optimism largely on the basis that the numbers still waiting for test results is a big concern although I am trying to alleviate that worry with the view that we haven't heard of many widescale stories of people getting seriously ill while waiting for a test result.

Strazdas

ShineOn7 wrote: »

I posted this in Devore's Hope thread, but it's worth repeating in a main daily thread ...

Infection rate of those with Covid-19 has dropped, latest figures show


https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0404/1128496-covid-19-figures/?fbclid=IwAR29MDeTiVSQh2zyzdg0lW8XSs5qgUlXlQQKXeWi3exUCN4U2CoiRMX_U3c


"The number of people that a person with Covid-19 is infecting in Ireland is reducing.

The "RE" number, or the reproductive rate of the virus, refers to how many other people a confirmed case goes on to infect, and it is closely monitored by health officials.

On 16 March, a person infected with Covid-19 here would "likely" infect another 4.3 people.

Minister for Health Simon Harris said that by the end of March, this dropped to 2.5 people.

At a news conference this afternoon, Mr Harris said that this is "real progress", but said we need to get this number below one. He said if we can reduce this figure to below one, it means the "virus doesn't sustain itself in the community".

Mr Harris said that the next seven days will be "absolutely critical".
The number of "close contacts" recorded for people with the virus has now reduced to three, down from around 20 a few weeks ago.

Mr Harris said that this is because we are now "making it harder for the disease to spread".

However he said, even though the rate of growth is slowing, it is still too high"

Yes, ideally you'd want the new case growth rate well under 5% every day : that would be the first real sign things were starting to shift.

ShineOn7

There's a standalone America/Trump thread here https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2058067359&page=4

Maybe all the commentary on this loo laa's daily conferences should go there

Bob24

Quantum Erasure wrote: »

Why did SARS not take off in the way this virus did? Canada was the only country outside of 4 or 5 countries in asia that got it in any way bad

Possibly not the only one, but one reason is that SARS only became contagious once people had developed clear symptoms while Covid 19 can be contagious with no symptoms.

Someone who feels sick will naturally reduce social interactions and it also made it easier to detect and isolate contagious people.

tobefrank321

Comparing Varadkar and Trump is apples and oranges, no pun intended.

The US has a population of 350 million with the same air traffic as the rest of the world combined.

Ireland has the population of a small US state.

fin12

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

You probably think that's edgy or clever but in reality you need to have a look at how countries have handled this. I didn't vote FG but I can't fault his handling in terms of timing, level of response etc. Anything that wasn't perfect was a failing in every country.

No that’s exactly what I believe.

Sorry towns around the country cancelled their own parades before that c*nt decided we should.

storker

fin12 wrote: »

That isn’t down to Leo. He is useless and always has been.

Even that status would still put him way ahead of Trump.

Wolf359f

tobefrank321 wrote: »

Are we including nursing home deaths in our figures? No-one seems to know.

Did they not state at a press conference that all death figures here included hospital and non hospital deaths. Think they used clinical and non clinical terms.
If anything, we seem to be over stating the deaths, it's almost like every death gets tested and if they are positive for covid19, it get added to the statistics.

ChikiChiki

fin12 wrote: »

No that’s exactly what I believe.

Sorry towns around the country cancelled their own parades before that c*nt decided we should.

Around the same time Trump was claiming its just another flu right??

Trump talked yesterday about banging models in the same veign as hundreds of thousands of deaths.

He is a joke of a human. This reflects badly on those who elected him and continue to approve of him.

JP Liz V1

tobefrank321 wrote: »

Not sure there's much of a difference. The Italians have underreported deaths by a factor of 3 or 4.
A lot of people have died of covid 19 and been buried without so much as a test.

Are we including nursing home deaths in our figures? No-one seems to know.

I think we are going by the median age most days

JP Liz V1

tobefrank321 wrote: »

Not sure there's much of a difference. The Italians have underreported deaths by a factor of 3 or 4.
A lot of people have died of covid 19 and been buried without so much as a test.

Are we including nursing home deaths in our figures? No-one seems to know.

I think we are going by the median age most days

owlbethere

The PPE situation looks worrying.


Other countries have experienced similar problems with PPE shortage and the only source for PPE is from china and that stuff is of poor quality.


How are other countries dealing with the PPE situation now? Like the Dutch got bad stuff from china. What are they doing for PPE?


Are there any plans in Ireland? Can factories help with cleanroom wear?

cadaliac

fin12 wrote: »

No that’s exactly what I believe.

Sorry towns around the country cancelled their own parades before that c*nt decided we should.

You need to figure out who is actually running the show and who are the "frontmen"
The people controlling this mess are some of the best medical people on the planet.
The Leo and other mouthpieces are just that. Mouthpieces.

Bob24

ShineOn7 wrote: »

I posted this in Devore's Hope thread, but it's worth repeating in a main daily thread ...

Infection rate of those with Covid-19 has dropped, latest figures show


https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0404/1128496-covid-19-figures/?fbclid=IwAR29MDeTiVSQh2zyzdg0lW8XSs5qgUlXlQQKXeWi3exUCN4U2CoiRMX_U3c


"The number of people that a person with Covid-19 is infecting in Ireland is reducing.

The "RE" number, or the reproductive rate of the virus, refers to how many other people a confirmed case goes on to infect, and it is closely monitored by health officials.

On 16 March, a person infected with Covid-19 here would "likely" infect another 4.3 people.

Minister for Health Simon Harris said that by the end of March, this dropped to 2.5 people.

At a news conference this afternoon, Mr Harris said that this is "real progress", but said we need to get this number below one. He said if we can reduce this figure to below one, it means the "virus doesn't sustain itself in the community".

Mr Harris said that the next seven days will be "absolutely critical".
The number of "close contacts" recorded for people with the virus has now reduced to three, down from around 20 a few weeks ago.

Mr Harris said that this is because we are now "making it harder for the disease to spread".

However he said, even though the rate of growth is slowing, it is still too high"

As he correctly says if you want the number of infected people to drop you need the R0 to drop below 1. According to one study the super draconian measures in Wuhan brought it down to 0.3. We don’t need to go that far but if it is correct that we are currently at 2.5 it actually is pretty bad news as it means with our current measures the virus is still progressing pretty quickly.

ShineOn7

Strazdas wrote: »

Yes, ideally you'd want the new case growth rate well under 5% every day : that would be the first real sign things were starting to shift.

Fair point. I see we're now at 8% but that it's down on yesterday

How does 8% compare to other major countries?

devnull

growleaves wrote: »

I haven't looked into it really but I'm surprised that its considered such a wild theory. Isn't it basically the idea that radiation-emitting masts are emitting harmful radiation? Perhaps untrue but not exactly lizard people from the Planet Zygon.

Many celebrities are now backing this theory in the UK, such as Amanda Holden and boxer Amir Khan and sharing it on social media, it really seems to be getting some traction.

Having lived in the UK I'm seeing quite a few people sharing this theory as well, even those I would have thought were far too sensible to come out with this kind of thing.

Even the Christian fundamentalists are getting in on the act and saying it's caused by the coming of the antichrist who is about to invoke a new world order unless we stop him.

Wolf359f

Wolf359f wrote: »

Did they not state at a press conference that all death figures here included hospital and non hospital deaths. Think they used clinical and non clinical terms.
If anything, we seem to be over stating the deaths, it's almost like every death gets tested and if they are positive for covid19, it get added to the statistics.

Missed it tonight, so can't say yes or no regarding the non hospital deaths, but it might be more accurate if they did/are given people believe Germany are hiding their figures by not recording covid as the cause of death if they can and France weren't including nursing homes originally, which seen the large increase occurring in their figures this week.

Tippex

blackcard wrote: »

Over 50% of Americans approve of his handling of the crisis

Thats because the polls are always done in Oregon state hospital

bekker

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

You probably think that's edgy or clever but in reality you need to have a look at how countries have handled this. I didn't vote FG but I can't fault his handling in terms of timing, level of response etc. Anything that wasn't perfect was a failing in every country.

Stop right there, implementing WHO, ECDC, Dept of Health, CMO recommendations as lagardly as possible is not leadership.

Any Irish government of any complexion, caretaker or not, would be doing the same thing.

We haven't had a leader or decisive minister in this country for decades, they are all creatures of the permanent government, which in turn abhors initiative, or radical change, and is perpetually in pursuit of greater and tighter degrees of control.

Before rearing-up, check out the extremely centralising and restrictive 'Irish' implementations of EU directives.

kenmc

circadian wrote: »

I think refrigerated vans are hard enough to come by. Was talking to the wife about this a few days back. They could use the refrigerated vans for stuff that has to be kept in them and a separate delivery for all other items. Sure, it means two deliveries but it'll increase capacity. Most people are in all day now anyway.

Not just are delivery trucks hard to come by, the ones that are available are being fcuking vandalized 😠

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/supervalu-extremely-disappointed-as-vandals-significantly-damage-three-delivery-vans-39091536.html

Mwengwe

growleaves wrote: »

I haven't looked into it really but I'm surprised that its considered such a wild theory. Isn't it basically the idea that radiation-emitting masts are emitting harmful radiation? Perhaps untrue but not exactly lizard people from the Planet Zygon.

The most rudimentary research about different kinds of radiation would quickly show how ignorant and stupid it is.

Strazdas

ShineOn7 wrote: »

Fair point. I see we're now at 8% but that it's down on yesterday

How does 8% compare to other major countries?

Two similar countries to ourselves are Denmark and Norway.

Denmark are on around 8% every day and Norway on approx 5%. So we're all in and around the same level, with Norway slightly more successful.

Beasty

Just warming up

No 13:eek: is round the corner

Thestones

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Which countries?

Well for example Israel and Australia, both have more cases than us, higher populations but much lower amount of deaths. Just look at the numbers. It makes you wonder what are we doing wrong.

marilynrr

Bob24 wrote: »

As he correctly says if you want the number of infected people to drop you need the R0 to drop below 1. According to one study the super draconian measures in Wuhan brought it down to 0.3. We don’t need to go that far but if it is correct that we are currently at 2.5 it actually is pretty bad news as it means with our current measures the virus is still progressing pretty quickly.

I would imagine that for some people they've passed it on to members in their household, and haven't been spreading it to 2.5 people outside their homes.

Quantum Erasure

fin12 wrote: »

I’m guessing cause people didn’t travel as much and I think also SARS wasn’t as contagious.

just came across this:

Though the SARS death rate was higher than COVID-19, COVID-19 has already claimed more lives.

According to Johnson, contact tracing was really effective with SARS, largely because symptoms were severe and therefore easier to identify and contain.

In addition, Schleiss said the SARS virus didn’t have the “fitness to persist in the human population,” which eventually led to its demise.

and this:
For the SARS pandemic in 2003, scientists estimated the original R0 to be around 2.75. A month or two later, the effective R0 dropped below 1,

kilkenny31

Thestones wrote: »

Well for example Israel and Australia, both have more cases than us, higher populations but much lower amount of deaths. Just look at the numbers. It makes you wonder what are we doing wrong.

We likely have much more cases than the official numbers. When looking at this I would always compare us to other countires in Western Europe with similar populations such as Norway, Denmark etc.

stephenjmcd

owlbethere wrote: »

The PPE situation looks worrying.


Other countries have experienced similar problems with PPE shortage and the only source for PPE is from china and that stuff is of poor quality.


How are other countries dealing with the PPE situation now? Like the Dutch got bad stuff from china. What are they doing for PPE?


Are there any plans in Ireland? Can factories help with cleanroom wear?

Theres a post above from a doctor which was quite frankly refreshing to hear and mentioned ppe.

The Dutch & spain it's been frequently said ordered from unapproved suppliers. We didn't we went with WHO approved

Strazdas

Thestones wrote: »

Well for example Israel and Australia, both have more cases than us, higher populations but much lower amount of deaths. Just look at the numbers. It makes you wonder what are we doing wrong.

Two hot countries and Covid arrived in Australia later than in Europe

FVP3

Bob24 wrote: »

As he correctly says if you want the number of infected people to drop you need the R0 to drop below 1. According to one study the super draconian measures in Wuhan brought it down to 0.3. We don’t need to go that far but if it is correct that we are currently at 2.5 it actually is pretty bad news as it means with our current measures the virus is still progressing pretty quickly.

2.5 isn't really reflected in the figures, and is still exponential. Sounds too high to me.

You'd think that a R0 at that level would see more than a doubling of new cases every N days where N is the time people are infectious. Assuming people full self isolate after they have symptoms, or are in bed, or in hospital or quarantine, then most of that would be in the 5 days or so people are asymptomatic. Do we see more than doubling every 5 days or so?

Thestones

kilkenny31 wrote: »

We likely have much more cases than the official numbers. When looking at this I would always compare us to other countires in Western Europe with similar populations such as Norway, Denmark etc.

Norway has 5.5k cases and only 62 deaths versus us at 4.6k and 137 deaths. Denmark is doing slightly worse than us in terms of deaths at the moment.

JP Liz V1

Beasty wrote: »

Just warming up

No 13:eek: is round the corner

These threads are going faster than the testing and results for Covid19

spookwoman

Musefan wrote: »

Rewatching the Fifth Element this eve to do a mental cleanse!

going on a dc comics spree starting with superman movies

YFlyer

Thestones wrote: »

Well for example Israel and Australia, both have more cases than us, higher populations but much lower amount of deaths. Just look at the numbers. It makes you wonder what are we doing wrong.

Isn't there an extremely high percentage of dead people that didn't go to an ICU?

keynes

storker wrote: »

Even that status would still put him way ahead of Trump.

Sorry, Leo has been a joke from the outset, along with the rest of them (who laughably cant even order proper PPE). And remember how Leo scoffed at some town that cancelled its St Patricks Day Parade? And what was his advice regarding that virus petri dish, Cheltenham? Well, nothing, zilch. Trump was the first to cancel flights from China and now Europe. Our spineless yes men still have flights pouring in daily from all the world's virus hotspots.
And it's outlandish to compare us to the US or most European countries. We are in a unique position as an island on the edge of Europe, so our figures *should* be a lot better than everywhere else, incl Denmark etc. If we are doing well, its despite our inept leadership, certainly not because of it

bekker

Quantum Erasure wrote: »

just came across this:



and this:
For the SARS pandemic in 2003, scientists estimated the original R0 to be around 2.75. A month or two later, the effective R0 dropped below 1,

Tut, tut, selective quoting without a link to wellness media publishing brand is dubious at best, though the article is fairly balanced, unlike the quote.

https://www.healthline.com/health-news/how-deadly-is-the-coronavirus-compared-to-past-outbreaks

OwlsZat

Thestones wrote: »

Well for example Israel and Australia, both have more cases than us, higher populations but much lower amount of deaths. Just look at the numbers. It makes you wonder what are we doing wrong.

Israel has been treating the ICU deathbed patients with stem cells. The results are very impressive. The vast majority make a full recovery in a matter of weeks.

YFlyer

owlbethere wrote: »

The PPE situation looks worrying.


Other countries have experienced similar problems with PPE shortage and the only source for PPE is from china and that stuff is of poor quality.


How are other countries dealing with the PPE situation now? Like the Dutch got bad stuff from china. What are they doing for PPE?


Are there any plans in Ireland? Can factories help with cleanroom wear?

Yeah can we not make the scrubs and other protective gear ourselves?

bekker

Strazdas wrote: »

Two similar countries to ourselves are Denmark and Norway.

Denmark are on around 8% every day and Norway on approx 5%. So we're all in and around the same level, with Norway slightly more successful.

In what way similar?

Over at least five metrics please, or is it still just comparable gross populations on the periphery of Europe?

893bet

keynes wrote: »

Sorry, Leo has been a joke from the outset, along with the rest of them (who laughably cant even order proper PPE). And remember how Leo scoffed at some town that cancelled its St Patricks Day Parade? And what was his advice regarding that virus petri dish, Cheltenham? Well, nothing, zilch. Trump was the first to cancel flights from China and now Europe. Our spineless yes men still have flights pouring in daily from all the world's virus hotspots.
And it's outlandish to compare us to the US or most European countries. We are in a unique position as an island on the edge of Europe, so our figures *should* be a lot better than everywhere else, incl Denmark etc. If we are doing well, its despite our inept leadership, certainly not because of it

Ah an edgey new user.

YFlyer

OwlsZat wrote: »

Israel has been treating the ICU deathbed patients with stem cells. The results are very impressive. The vast majority make a full recovery in a matter of weeks.

Full recovery? As in no long or other organ damage?

Wolf359f

YFlyer wrote: »

Yeah can we not make the scrubs and other protective gear ourselves?

There is a company in limerick that makes n95 masks and have ramped up production significantly.
But I think due to the sheer quantities required worldwide, there's just a global shortage. Demand is in the billions of masks needed worldwide.

FVP3

keynes wrote: »

Sorry, Leo has been a joke from the outset, along with the rest of them (who laughably cant even order proper PPE). And remember how Leo scoffed at some town that cancelled its St Patricks Day Parade? And what was his advice regarding that virus petri dish, Cheltenham? Well, nothing, zilch. Trump was the first to cancel flights from China and now Europe. Our spineless yes men still have flights pouring in daily from all the world's virus hotspots.

There's a thread on the US response already.

This whole thing is revealing a strange and disturbing phenomena. Pro US posters who prefer Trump to their own politicians and who get upset at any criticism of their Dear Leader. The only thing he got right was the Chinese flights and that is because he is a bigot. He would clearly prefer the US to have not done any lockdowns, and it was the local politicians who stepped up to the plate on that.

And it's outlandish to compare us to the US or most European countries. We are in a unique position as an island on the edge of Europe, so our figures *should* be a lot better than everywhere else, incl Denmark etc. If we are doing well, its despite our inept leadership, certainly not because of it

What matters is the flights. Being an island is irrelevant in that case.

As for comparing Europe with the US, that is correct, it is outlandish because Europe is far denser in population.

bekker

OwlsZat wrote: »

Israel has been treating the ICU deathbed patients with stem cells. The results are very impressive. The vast majority make a full recovery in a matter of weeks.

Is this what you are referring to?

'HAIFA, Israel, March 30, 2020 — Pluristem Therapeutics (PSTI), a leading regenerative medicine company developing a platform of novel biological therapeutic products, announced that since its last update on COVID-19, it has dosed three patients in two different hospitals in Israel under a compassionate use program for the treatment of COVID-19, as approved by the Israeli Ministry of Health. Pluristem expects to enroll additional patients in Israel in the coming days and anticipates providing updates on clinical outcomes once significant data has been gathered.

All three treated patients are in a high-risk group based on age and preexisting conditions, have been experiencing severe respiratory failure, and intubation with a ventilator. Pluristem is closely following the medical condition of these patients in conjunction with the hospitals’ medical professionals delivering the care.'
https://bioinformant.com/pluristem-covid19-treatment/
April 2nd.

It's hopeful, but experimental, as are many other analogous experimental projects, but as you say at present 'last resort' only.

OwlsZat

YFlyer wrote: »

Full recovery? As in no long or other organ damage?

AS in not dead from COVID 19 and discharged because no longer considered to be worth monitoring. China pretty much told others this was part of the required treatment regime. The same company has an agreement with a large German hospital to treat there but I've no idea if they've actually treated patients.

Beasty

And we leave this thread with

"Waterloo couldn't escape if I wanted to
Waterloo knowing my fate is to be with you
Oh, oh Waterloo finally facing my Waterloo"