CoVid19 Part XII - 4,604 in ROI (137 deaths) 998 in NI (56 deaths)(04/04) **Read OP**

Mwengwe

timmy_mallet wrote: »

I'd argue you're more likely to get COVID-19 while hmming and hawwing over yer bottle of plonk in Dunnes than in an airplane or airport.

Statistics at the moment in Ireland would back that up,

El Weirdo

Gintonious wrote: »

https://twitter.com/paddycosgrave/status/1244368048821321735

Says the guy who couldn't organise wifi at a web summit.

CitizenFloor

antodeco wrote: »

The fear I have is that we will end up being cyclical again. Numbers are down. Not as bad. Slowly back to work. 4 months time, back to where we started again

I believe that is the objective. If we can get to four months, without a massive peak that is a success.



Then life and the virus ramp up, then we increase lock down measures and the virus decreases.



Rince and repeat until a vaccine is created/enough people are immune.

Doctor Jimbob

There's now an undeniable slowdown trend in Italy. That's the lowest absolute number of new cases in about 2 weeks and over a week of increases of less than 10%.

Edit: Also the highest number of recoveries there to date according to worldometers (1590).

Cork Boy 53

shocksy wrote: »

https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1244658689291796483?s=19

Jesus.:( I thought the curve was supposed to be flattening there. Is there no end to this?

RugbyLad11

gifted wrote: »

There's people either side of me who can't stick to the lock down now never mind june...ffs.

That is what I mean, right now I would say 98% of the population are sticking to the lockdown. But if it's still here in June I would say less than 10% of the population would be sticking to it

DOCARCH

Confirmed cases in Italy down nearly 1,200 today (compared to yesterday).

Hopefully a chink of light rather than a weekend blip?

joe40

Rattlehead_ie wrote: »

Certainly the supermarkets have already started doing this themselves
Tesco announced it last week and Dunnes doing the same

Dunnes Pay Premium

I don't understand that approach. It is easy to take in restrictions and the relax them if not needed. But allowing numbers to grow quickly and possibly overwhelm health service can get out of control very quickly. Just look at the experience in other countries. Even the UK backed down fry this approach..
Then again maybe social distancing is the norm in sweden..

josip

Whehey! wrote: »

I'm a little confused..
Can the same house hold go for a short walk together but obvs keep their distance from anyone or is it only one person per household that can go for a walk nce a day at a time?

You can each go for individual walks including socially distant children.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0327/1126911-ireland-restrictions-covid19/

RugbyLad11

rossie1977 wrote: »

There is no lockdown in Ireland

We are as close to a lockdown as we can go, pretty much only essential services are operating and people can only leave there home for food/exercise.

What else could be done?

devnull

Government have now reached agreement with private hospitals

From RTE

The Taoiseach has said that the Government has made a Public-Private partnership agreement in light of the spread of Covid-19, which will see private hospitals being treated as public hospitals for the duration of the agreement.

Private hospitals, the Taoiseach said, have 1,000 rooms for solo occupancy, which are ideal for those who need to be isolated.

They can provide 194 ventilators as well as the use of nine laboratories.

He said there are 19 private hospitals being used in this partnership. This includes 11,000 inpatient beds, 2,300 day beds, 47 ICU beds and 54 high dependency unit beds.

Minister for Health Simon Harris said the partnership will represent a 17% increase in capacity for the Irish health service.

Professor Moriarty

RugbyLad11 wrote: »

That is what I mean, right now I would say 98% of the population are sticking to the lockdown. But if it's still here in June I would say less than 10% of the population would be sticking to it

So if the government/HSE were to impose a lock down until mid June, what would you suggest people do?

Whehey!

josip wrote: »

You can each go for individual walks including socially distant children.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0327/1126911-ireland-restrictions-covid19/[/quota

Appreciate that thanks!

dePeatrick

Shelga wrote: »

Might be a silly question, but would being a smoker count as an underlying condition?

Does anyone know have there been any data trend analysis done on the ratio of deaths/serious conditions to smokers?

Not a silly question at all, from the little info I have seen on it they did not feel that it had an effect in China and Iran has almost no smokers. Having said that I quit two weeks ago as there is no way I want this virus on top of unhealthy lungs.

I've been coughing quite a lot last few days as my lungs clean themselves out, there is a certain amount of satisfaction from seeing the gunk that has been coughed up out of my lungs.

Shopping last week and had to surprise the cough as I didn't want to freak other shoppers out Quit them, your lungs will thank you 😊

RugbyLad11

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

So if the government/HSE were to impose a lock down until mid June, what would you suggest people do?

What do I suggest people do? I'm not the leader but I guarantee people would take the piss with the lockdown at that stage and would be going to beaches and stuff again.

jackboy

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

Jesus.:( I thought the curve was supposed to be flattening there. Is there no end to this?

It is pretty flat. Number of deaths every day for a while now are in the same order of magnitude. The end of the curve is determined by how effective their lockdown is.

Professor Moriarty

RugbyLad11 wrote: »

What do I suggest people do? I'm not the leader but I guarantee people would take the piss with the lockdown at that stage and would be going to beaches and stuff again.

Some might. It would mean edangering themselves and others if they were contravening expert advice.

Martina1991

cameramonkey wrote: »

I keep asking about numbers and people give me numbers but not to official figures. How can we understand what is going on if the HSE don't publish in writing the numbers tested and processed?

Maybe you can respond to me with some official figures like up to date tests and up to date test that have been processed with an official link. Then we can have a discussion on real figures as apposed to aspirational ones.

I think there people are starting not to believe the HSE numbers on testing because of their lack of transparency and because testing and results are taking so long and also some testing station seem to be closing. In turn how can we then trust that we are catching as many people who are infected if we don't know how many are being tested and processed. If we cannot believe the official numbers we create a vacuum that is filled by rumour and fear.

It is hard to produce exact numbers on a daily basis because it is a continuous 24/7 service.

Some labs might get through 300 samples a day one day and 400 the next depending on staff levels, number of tests coming in, reagents available etc. It's not a fixed throughput, and more labs may be coming on stream or offering a limited service until all their staff are trained to run it.

That's why figures are always approximate at the time of release or publication. Its constantly changing as there are numerous conditions that can effect the daily number of tests that can be carried out.

You are also contribtuing to rumour and fear.

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cameramonkey

One EI just took off for China and one has just landed.

rossie1977

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

Jesus.:( I thought the curve was supposed to be flattening there. Is there no end to this?

Curve is flattening..

Today's figures not on chart but you have to go back to March 17th for last time there was lower confirmed daily infections

Gynoid

Tell ye 'tis at times like this you find out who are the bloody jerks among your wider acquaintances. Today, staying home like everyone else, finally work place has seen sense, let us be isolating, gardening, etc. There I am, relieved, and cooking in the kitchen with the front door wide open because the spring air is sweet and we live in the absolute bog end middle of nowhere, miles from anyone, and the sun and the breeze is gorgeous.
A so-called pal walks up the lane and comes straight on in the door. Halllooo, says they. Whoa there, I say, back up there pal, and go out. Social visits are not allowed or safe. We are not having people in the house .
But the pal does not believe in this sh1t, thinks its all an exaggerated conspiracy of sort, stands his ground grinning in the hall first then retreats to the porch, but won't back out the door.
Back up, says I. I'm serious. A hint of more movement. They are laughing. Back up all the fcuking way outside, says I. They back up to the door, blocking me in. More, says I, the voice raised now. Whats wrong, says they. Back up away from me, I repeat, we are not socially interacting. Socialising inside is not allowed. I will chat with you outside.
They back up and stand in the lane, laughing at me. Jeering really.
I dont see this person often, they are a casual acquaintance. Some days I truly wish I had a shot gun and a harder heart.

josip

Hold on, hold on.
In the beginning we had 255 ICU beds.
Then they identified where we could double ICU bed capacity.
Then they said they were enlisting the private hospitals and that would increase their ICU capacity.
(At this point I assumed that the doubling plan they had first announced was the private hospital one)
But bringing private hospitals on board is only going to increase ICU capacity by 47 beds.
So is our total ICU capacity only 255 + 47 = 302 ?

Cork Boy 53

RugbyLad11 wrote: »

We are as close to a lockdown as we can go, pretty much only essential services are operating and people can only leave there home for food/exercise.

What else could be done?

As has been stated previously introduce fines for anyone who is flouting the new laws without a valid reason and bring in a mandatory jail sentence for anyone found guilty of engaging in antisocial behaviour eg. spitting and coughing at people.

joe40

Whehey! wrote: »

I'm a little confused..
Can the same house hold go for a short walk together but obvs keep their distance from anyone or is it only one person per household that can go for a walk once a day at a time?

The household can go for a walk together. That is the instruction on the HSE website now. It was contradictory on the night of the anouncement.

kilkenny31

devnull wrote: »

Government have now reached agreement with private hospitals

From RTE

I really really hope we arent being screwed.

RugbyLad11

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Some might. It would mean edangering themselves and others if they were contravening expert advice.

Being locked inside for months would do more damage to someones health than the virus probably would, especially a young healthy individual.

Professor Moriarty

kilkenny31 wrote: »

I really really hope we arent being screwed.

I think I read somewhere that it is at cost.

Professor Moriarty

RugbyLad11 wrote: »

Being locked inside for months would do more damage to someones health than the virus probably would, especially a young healthy individual.

So fcuk the elderly and immunocompromised?

Glebee

Lavinia wrote: »

sweden didnt impose any measures yet as they want to see how it goes. even schools are open restaurants and everything else

Hope that works out well for them:p

RugbyLad11

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

As has been stated previously introduce fines for anyone who is flouting the new laws without a valid reason and bring in a mandatory jail sentence for anyone found guilty of engaging in antisocial behaviour eg. spitting and coughing at people.

But those are just measures to enforce the current lockdown. I asked what other things can be done to make our current situation more of a lockdown.

phill106

RugbyLad11 wrote: »

Being locked inside for months would do more damage to someones health than the virus probably would, especially a young healthy individual.

Think death as your lungs fail, why you die alone may be worse then being isolated.
Alone both ways....dead one way....just saying

Rattlehead_ie

josip wrote: »

Hold on, hold on.
..................
(At this point I assumed that the doubling plan they had first announced was the private hospital one)
But bringing private hospitals on board is only going to increase ICU capacity by 47 beds.
So is our total ICU capacity only 255 + 47 = 302 ?

There is your problem there. You assumed!
Numbers of ICU and planned availability (expansion and how this was to be achieved) was never announced.

splinter65

Glebee wrote: »

Hope that works out well for them:p

They, Holland and UK went initially with the herd immunity plan. The UK got too nervous and pulled out. I don’t know about Holland but Sweden are sticking it out.

marilynrr

RugbyLad11 wrote: »

There is no way people will stick to the lockdown if it is still here in June/July...

People will be stir crazy and no way people will do in for months during the summer

Completely agree. It can't go on that long and will cause so many problems.

There are spouses and children in abusive homes right now, locked in with their abusers. There's people who were probably on the verge of ending relationships and they're now stuck where they are. That must be mental torture.

Even for the people who are in non abusive households there is a big problem with mental health issues in this country, this will make those worse in some cases...there will be even mentally healthy people who develop mental health issues because of it.

We will without a doubt see suicides or murder suicides if this goes on long term.

It's also not fair on the elderly and vulnerable. Not all of them want to be locked up. Some of them might not have very many months or years left in their lives and may resent being told they have to stay in for their own sakes to prolong their lives. Some will want to carry on and take their chances, rather than spending their last few months in their homes, not allowed to see their great grandchildren, even visits to the window are not allowed anymore.

davedanon

i Being locked inside for months would do more damage to someones health than the virus probably would, especially a young healthy individual.

Is that your professional opinion, or just what you reckon?

useless

josip wrote: »

Hold on, hold on.
In the beginning we had 255 ICU beds.
Then they identified where we could double ICU bed capacity.
Then they said they were enlisting the private hospitals and that would increase their ICU capacity.
(At this point I assumed that the doubling plan they had first announced was the private hospital one)
But bringing private hospitals on board is only going to increase ICU capacity by 47 beds.
So is our total ICU capacity only 255 + 47 = 302 ?

There was other talk of existing hospital facilities being repurposed as ICUs- one of these threads made reference to a load of portakabins being deployed in UCH Cork as well as another hospital with a new ICU unit keeping the old one open instead of closing it.
I expect that the HSE will be trying to create 'COVID ICU' units which have the ventilators and monitors etc that are required for Covid19 but not necessarily the full range of kit normally provided in a 'full' ICU, but I could be totally wrong.

Either way stay at home and look after yourself.

jos28

Ryan Tubridy just tested positive. First Clare Byrne and now Tubridy, RTE need to get the cleaners in !

cameramonkey

Martina1991 wrote: »

It is hard to produce exact numbers on a daily basis because it is a continuous 24/7 service.

Some labs might get through 300 samples a day one day and 400 the next depending on staff levels, number of tests coming in, reagents available etc. It's not a fixed throughput, and more labs may be coming on stream or offering a limited service until all their staff are trained to run it.

That's why figures are always approximate at the time of release or publication. Its constantly changing as there are numerous conditions that can effect the daily number of tests that can be carried out.

You are also contribtuing to rumour and fear.

If you would like to find answers to your questions you can try contacting the Customer care officer at the NVRL Helen Dawkins at helen.dawkins@ucd.ie or on 01-716 1257

Thanks for your answer.But is a very poor excuse I think. I dont see why it would be difficult to keep track of the number of test processed in fact I think it would be a basic task in a well run lab. Like publishing the number of tests that are positive or negative or spoiled then adding them up and then you have the number we need. It does seem pretty basic.


Anything I have added to this discussion has been on the basis of HSE published numbers. I understand some peoples need to defend the HSE or the Ireland's reaction to the outbreak but what we need is facts not an unthinking acceptance of some aspirational statements by the HSE.



Thanks for the email but I am sure they have more important things to do so I will leave them at it.

RugbyLad11

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

So fcuk the elderly and immunocompromised?

what are we gonna do? stay locked down for over a year until there is a vaccine?

Destroy our economy and have more people die from poverty than the virus would kill. Plus good luck keep the hospitals open if we close shop for a year.

The elderly and immunocompromised can cocoon as previously advised...

I read an article post here saying that most of the people who died of CoVid19 in the UK already had existing serious illnesses and would've dying from something else in the next year.

Cork Boy 53

RTE confirm that Ryan Tubridy has tested positive for the virus.

kilkenny31

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

I think I read somewhere that it is at cost.

I hope so. I also hope it's the end of the two teir health system. I read that that was a condition of fine fail entering government. I really hope this opportunity is used to fix everything wrong with society. We are being paid to borrow money from the ECB so now is the time.

Cork Boy 53

jos28 wrote: »

Ryan Tubridy just tested positive. First Clare Byrne and now Tubridy, RTE need to get the cleaners in !

I presume that Miriam will be getting another go as LLS host on Friday.

Professor Moriarty

RugbyLad11 wrote: »

what are we gonna do? stay locked down for over a year until there is a vaccine?

Destroy our economy and have more people die from poverty than the virus would kill. Plus good luck keep the hospitals open if we close shop for a year.

The elderly and immunocompromised can cocoon as previously advised...

I read an article post here saying that most of the people who died of CoVid19 in the UK already had existing serious illnesses and would've dying from something else in the next year.

So, come June 1st, fcuk the elderly and immunocompromised.

devnull

kilkenny31 wrote: »

I hope so. I also hope it's the end of the two teir health system. I read that that was a condition of fine fail entering government. I really hope this opportunity is used to fix everything wrong with society. We are being paid to borrow money from the ECB so now is the time.

Remind me, who was it that created such system in the first place?

RugbyLad11

davedanon wrote: »

i Being locked inside for months would do more damage to someones health than the virus probably would, especially a young healthy individual.

Is that your professional opinion, or just what you reckon?

We already have a suicide problem in Ireland, I imagine this is gonna increase a lot now that everyone is locked inside.

josip

jos28 wrote: »

Ryan Tubridy just tested positive. First Clare Byrne and now Tubridy, RTE need to get the cleaners in !

"Winston Wolfe to Aisle 7."

MrMusician18

josip wrote: »

Hold on, hold on.
In the beginning we had 255 ICU beds.
Then they identified where we could double ICU bed capacity.
Then they said they were enlisting the private hospitals and that would increase their ICU capacity.
(At this point I assumed that the doubling plan they had first announced was the private hospital one)
But bringing private hospitals on board is only going to increase ICU capacity by 47 beds.
So is our total ICU capacity only 255 + 47 = 302 ?

They haven't been clear at all on the ICU bed numbers available and that needs to improve.

When they were talking about it previously I think they meant covid ICU, or rather pseudo ICU beds that could be set up with the specific equipment to support covid patients.

I haven't been one to criticise the response generally, but communication on beds and need numbers has been poor and sometimes contradictory.

SharpshooterTom

How do so many rich celebrities get testing?

Professor Moriarty

kilkenny31 wrote: »

I hope so. I also hope it's the end of the two teir health system. I read that that was a condition of fine fail entering government. I really hope this opportunity is used to fix everything wrong with society. We are being paid to borrow money from the ECB so now is the time.

Una Mullally wrote an article today in the IT saying just that. That this is our opportunity to reconfigure society.

RugbyLad11

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

So, come June 1st, fcuk the elderly and immunocompromised.

Did you miss my point where I said the elderly and immunocompromised can cocoon as previously advised...