CoVid19 Part XII - 4,604 in ROI (137 deaths) 998 in NI (56 deaths)(04/04) **Read OP**

I Am The Law

josip wrote: »

"Winston Wolfe to Aisle 7."

You callin' the Wolf? That was all you had to say MF.

YFlyer

Allinall wrote: »

The same number of groceries need to be bought. Probably more, given that more people are at home.

No fake lockdown. No lockdown anyway.

Increase in food waste been dumped.

is_that_so

Tootsie_1 wrote: »

Any idea what time the briefing is on at ? I thought 5.45pm ?

7.00 now.

growleaves

Have you read the posts or threads on here about people who have elderly parents who don't want to stay in?

A lot of them hate this and would rather just take their chances, and think that it would be far worse to be locked up in their homes not able to see anyone when they might not have many months or years left in their lives anyway.

People act like it's for their own good, but do the elderly or vulnerable not get a say in it? Are we not going to take into consideration what some elderly people actually want?

If this goes on until June/July then unfortunately some elderly people will die from other age related issues and for their last few months the option for their family to see them, for them to hold their great grandchildren or lots of little things that are important to them will be taken away from them! They might have been saved from covid-19 but it's a very sad end to their days.

I'm quoting this again so more people will see it.

The extreme reductionism of discontinuing every aspect of life - basic direct human contact, marriages, families, friends, colleagues, harmless or beneficial sunshine and fresh air, contact with nature (not just 'the economy', though people also need money to live) - along with the vilification of those (very few) people with a differing opinion is the maddest thing I've seen in my life.

Even reasonable requests to find out how many amongst the general population have the virus through sampling have been met with scorn, as if basic scientific inquiry is now considered a fringe activity. Disease specialists from the University of Mainz and Oxford University are dismissed as cranks by posters who don't even understand what "exponential" means. Something is very wrong here.

Strazdas

RobertKK wrote: »

RTE has to be one of the clusters now.

They have very strict social distancing rules in studio now. They had no studio guests at all on This Week on Radio 1 on Sunday for example.

Ninthlife

Mervyn Skidmore wrote: »

https://twitter.com/hemantmehta/status/1244344119545208834

Phew, it's all over. Why didn't they get this guy involved months ago?

That was the Christian equivalent of a traveller call out video

RugbyLad11

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

That's so tough. I can only imagine the stress you must be under. The virus has really hit you hard.

Don't you understand. If we had good online shopping infrastructure people could get their shopping online and no need to go to the supermarket.

I tried to order shopping on Supervalue and Tesco but they have no delivery slots available for the next 2 weeks.

Antares35

scamalert wrote: »

most people wont even wait till end of April to get back to normal so dont imagine after these measures anyone will be taking much more time off, for ifs and maybes.

I'm not imagining anything, I wouldn't be so arrogant as to assume to know what will happen in the next few days never mind weeks, especially now.

I just think it is an incredibly weak argument to suggest that we should avoid asking people to stay at home to stop the spread of a fatal disease, on the basis that some of those people might kill themselves. If someone is suicidal because of a 2 week stay at home period then they clearly already have underlying issues, and that should be addressed as a discrete issue and not in the context of whether we should be staying at home.

Lavinia

gmisk wrote: »

Ryan Tubridy confirmed he has it....I wonder how long he had to wait for his test and results...

Apparently he is already over with it, had very mild symptoms and already recovered

Ryan Tubridy said; “Like so many other people in Ireland, I tested positive but I was in the very fortunate position to have a very unintrusive experience, which I now have come to the end of.

owlbethere

YouSavedMyLife wrote: »

I work in a big supermarket chain, and it's been just as busy if not busier today than any other Monday. Fake lockdown.

People will need to do a food shop. I don't see a problem with allowing people do a grocery shop. It makes sense how some people might avoid going shopping during a weekend to avoid potential crowds and aim for early or midweek shopping instead.

wakka12

22 nursing homes oh my god, Ireland will have such a high death rate compared to most countries

JP Liz V1

Mental Mickey wrote: »

He's a public figure. Has his fans too.

Tubots

ChikiChiki

froog wrote: »

22 nursing home outbreaks is appalling.

****ing disgraceful. Where were the controls ffs.

Does anyone remember a poster in one of the other threads who had a friend that worked in a nursing home and was out on the piss 2 nights in a row before the Sunday night the pubs were closed down. The poster wrote of their concern at their friends not give a **** attitude.

Hope that poster gives their friend loads of it.

Beasty

Mental Mickey wrote: »

What time is the DoH briefing on at?

There is a sticky with the time in the thread title - it's updated every day

Jim_Hodge

wakka12 wrote: »

22 nursing homes oh my god, Ireland will have such a high death rate compared to most countries

Every other country has major clusters in nursing and care homes.

kingshankly

ChikiChiki wrote: »

****ing disgraceful. Where we're the controls ffs.

Most of these have been brought in by staff need to be testing all Carers

take everything

That RTE reporter, Sean Whelan, looks sick to me

JP Liz V1

Lavinia wrote: »

Apparently he is already over with it, had very mild symptoms and already recovered

14 days self isolation first then 14 days quarantine but Tubs and Prince Charles all better and out already?

Gynoid

Lavinia wrote: »

Apparently he is already over with it, had very mild symptoms and already recovered

Good. Send him to work on a production line making essential medical stuff.

Lavinia

MadYaker wrote: »

That’s a very hard effect to quantify though. Coronavirus killing thousands fits in a headline much easier.

suicides are not hard to quanitify, in ireland over 300 people die from suicide every year so it means more than 1 per day.. so statistically it would mean that about 90 people lost their life in ireland already this year alone..

Beasty

Strazdas wrote: »

Yes, why not? If someone like Graham Norton or Ant & Dec contracted it in the UK, you would expect their respective broadcasters to announce it

Probably because it's already been reported 47* times in this thread...

(*yes it's a bit of an exaggeration:pac:)

spookwoman

Gynoid wrote: »

Good. Send him to work on a production line making essential medical stuff.

Better off helping in a hospital.

Seamai

marilynrr wrote: »

Completely agree. It can't go on that long and will cause so many problems.

There are spouses and children in abusive homes right now, locked in with their abusers. There's people who were probably on the verge of ending relationships and they're now stuck where they are. That must be mental torture.

Even for the people who are in non abusive households there is a big problem with mental health issues in this country, this will make those worse in some cases...there will be even mentally healthy people who develop mental health issues because of it.

We will without a doubt see suicides or murder suicides if this goes on long term.

It's also not fair on the elderly and vulnerable. Not all of them want to be locked up. Some of them might not have very many months or years left in their lives and may resent being told they have to stay in for their own sakes to prolong their lives. Some will want to carry on and take their chances, rather than spending their last few months in their homes, not allowed to see their great grandchildren, even visits to the window are not allowed anymore.

So what exactly are you saying? Get rid of the lockdown and we'll take our chances, good luck with that one. The current lockdown isn't a bundle of laughs for anyone. I think I'd rather a bit of short term pain for long term gain. A lot of the situations above existed before COVID-19, you make it sound like we're imprisoning the elderly, what about the elderly who'se families don't give a damn about them and rarely if ever visit them?

Marsden35

Nursing homes should have been the first to lock down. I'm happy to say that the nursing home my mother works in was locked down fairly sharpish. Still a risk with the care workers going in and out obviously, but no visitors allowed.

My mother said if Corona got into the home it would just burn through it in days.

There was a norovirus outbreak (winter vomiting bug) a couple of years back and it took out 8 of the residents in a week.

JP Liz V1

wakka12 wrote: »

22 nursing homes oh my god, Ireland will have such a high death rate compared to most countries

Considering the restrictions on visitors from early March, is it staff infected?

Are these private or public homes? Or does that matter now, high clusters in these god love them all and their worried families

Lavinia

Lavinia wrote: »

suicides are not hard to quanitify, in ireland over 300 people die from suicide every year so it means more than 1 per day.. so statistically it would mean that about 90 people lost their life in ireland already this year alone..

Plus addiction, depression, anxiety, poor nutrition, a general deterioration in public health, and no money to give to the health services in a banjaxed economy. Can you quantify increased deaths related to those?

Roger_007

Deleted User wrote: »

Al valid points. But if antibody tests show that many people have had it and have been symptom free, then it would suggest that additional restrictions of movement are not required....that the spread is being effectively managed, within the capacity of the NHS to handle the critical cases.

It’s not as simple as that. If it turns out that 10% of the population have the antibodies, what then?
Also there is no certainty that having the antibodies gives absolute immunity, and if it does, how long for?
We really know very little about this virus.

MonkieSocks

But how reliable is the test.

Wifes great Aunt (89) got a fall and was taken into hospital a week ago.

She was taken in ICU and put on oxyegen and tested for COVID-19

The test was negative and she was moved to a Normal Ward.


6 days after the first test, she had a high temperature and breathing difficulties.

They tested her again and the test was positive for COVID-19 and now she's back In ICU

So either first was wrong or she got it in the hospital.

Very very worrying

gmisk

Lavinia wrote: »

Apparently he is already over with it, had very mild symptoms and already recovered

Right...how did he get a test with mild symptoms...

spookwoman

MonkieSocks wrote: »

But how reliable is the test.

Wifes great Aunt (89) got a fall and was taken into hospital a week ago.

She was taken in ICU and put on oxyegen and tested for COVID-19

The test was negative and she was moved to a Normal Ward.


6 days after the first test, she had a high temperature and breathing difficulties.

They tested her again and the test was positive for COVID-19 and now she's back In ICU

So either first was wrong or she got it in the hospital.

Very very worrying

It's already been said before, if in the early stages the test is done there is not always enough virus payload to register a positive.

Roger_007

Roger_007 wrote: »

It’s not as simple as that. If it turns out that 10% of the population have the antibodies, what then?
Also there is no certainty that having the antibodies gives absolute immunity, and if it does, how long for?
We really know very little about this virus.

The UK CMO has said that immunity might not be permanent but would last until vaccines are available. It is certainly being held out there by the medics as a positive contributory factor in the decisions to be made around when to release restrictions

marilynrr

Seamai wrote: »

So what exactly are you saying? Get rid of the lockdown and we'll take our chances, good luck with that one. The current lockdown isn't a bundle of laughs for anyone. I think I'd rather a bit of short term pain for long term gain. A lot of the situations above existed before COVID-19, you make it sound like we're imprisoning the elderly, what about the elderly who'se families don't give a damn about them and rarely if ever visit them?

No I think we go through this current lockdown to try to flatten the curve, ease up on restrictions slowly then and take our chances from there.

You might rather a bit of short term pain for long term gain, but there are people out there in their 80s and 90s who might not have long left and might want to take their chances with the virus. There is no 'long term' for them. This is close to their end of life as it is. A very strict lockdown might prolong life, but at what cost to their quality of life? It should be individual choice. For the vulnerable who want to be cocooned then systems should be put in place for that. For those who don't, then they should be allowed to live their life as they wish.

It is imprisoning the elderly, family members are not even allowed to go and see them through the windows anymore, they must be devastated.

And absolutely there are elderly who have families who don't give a damn about them, and it's extremely sad and heartbreaking, that doesn't mean that it's ok to take the family visits away from the ones who do have that!

gmisk

Gynoid wrote: »

Good. Send him to work on a production line making essential medical stuff.

That is pretty cruel....no one should have to forcibly put up with Ryan Tubridy and his inane chat.

jackboy

MonkieSocks wrote: »

But how reliable is the test.

Wifes great Aunt (89) got a fall and was taken into hospital a week ago.

She was taken in ICU and put on oxyegen and tested for COVID-19

The test was negative and she was moved to a Normal Ward.


6 days after the first test, she had a high temperature and breathing difficulties.

They tested her again and the test was positive for COVID-19 and now she's back In ICU

So either first was wrong or she got it in the hospital.

Very very worrying

The virus load may have been too low for the first test. Or, it was a bad test or analysis. Or, she got infected in the hospital.

Kermit.de.frog

https://twitter.com/FergalBowers/status/1244665977083703299

Lavinia

gmisk wrote: »

Right...how did he get a test with mild symptoms...

no idea.

i only read the news here and so thats whats said

Strazdas

Marsden35 wrote: »

Nursing homes should have been the first to lock down. I'm happy to say that the nursing home my mother works in was locked down fairly sharpish. Still a risk with the care workers going in and out obviously, but no visitors allowed.

My mother said if Corona got into the home it would just burn through it in days.

There was a norovirus outbreak (winter vomiting bug) a couple of years back and it took out 8 of the residents in a week.

I believe they were in fact? I'm sure I read they took a unilateral decision to ban all visitors about three weeks ago.

YFlyer

Housemate uses lab grade gloves when he is making his meals.

Beasty

is_that_so wrote: »

7.00 now.

When they said "now", they didn't mean "now", them meant "then" (or 7pm in time language)

Alas this prediction cannot be guaranteed, and indeed it won't be "now", may not be "then" as it could be "later"

"Time" will tell


":pac:"

take everything

Anyone know how many new cases today

Hermy

If this goes on until June/July then unfortunately some elderly people will die from other age related issues and for their last few months the option for their family to see them, for them to hold their great grandchildren or lots of little things that are important to them will be taken away from them! They might have been saved from covid-19 but it's a very sad end to their days.

The thing about other age related issues is they are not contagious.

If they don't adhere to the guidelines to stay indoors then it may be a sad end to many peoples lives.

ChikiChiki

YFlyer wrote: »

Housemate uses lab grade gloves when he is making his meals.

Fair play, that's his perogative. Do you have an issue or what?

Marsden35

Strazdas wrote: »

I believe they were in fact? I'm sure I read they took a unilateral decision to ban all visitors about three weeks ago.

3 weeks ago we knew all about the seriousness of this. Should have been a lot earlier.

Very emotive subject though as many residents don't have a long time left and telling their family they can't visit for weeks/months on end is pretty hard.

Martina1991

cameramonkey wrote: »

Thanks for your answer.But is a very poor excuse I think.

Thanks for the email but I am sure they have more important things to do so I will leave them at it.

Maybe you can offer your services to the Department of Health if you think the organisation and operation of a national service is basic.

You understand a customer support service has more important things to do during a pandemic, but you want accurate daily updates from across the country because in your opinion, they are not good enough.

MrMusician18 wrote: »

They haven't been clear at all on the ICU bed numbers available and that needs to improve.

When they were talking about it previously I think they meant covid ICU, or rather pseudo ICU beds that could be set up with the specific equipment to support covid patients.

I haven't been one to criticise the response generally, but communication on beds and need numbers has been poor and sometimes contradictory.

The arguments for testing numbers could also be applied to the ICU bed capacity.

It's hard to get an accurate daily number of how many beds we have because it is constantly changing.

Whatever our capacity was before has increased in most hospitals across the country. Wards have transformed and dedicated to Covid patients. That number may be effected by limited resources like ventilators, lack of PPE or staff falling ill and needing isolation.
And we will still have cases that require intensive care that do not have Covid. That will effect the numbers too.


The numbers that are released by the Department of Health each day/week are all we have to go on.
That may not be good enough for some people but that's all we have and I trust them.

Tandey

gmisk wrote: »

Right...how did he get a test with mild symptoms...

It’s tubs innit.

callaway92

take everything wrote: »

That RTE reporter, Sean Whelan, looks sick to me

Thanks, Doc

CIARAN_BOYLE

Strazdas wrote: »

I believe they were in fact? I'm sure I read they took a unilateral decision to ban all visitors about three weeks ago.

Unfortunately staff are a major vector to bring infection in (even with the best of intention).

spookwoman

https://twitter.com/SkyNewsBreak/status/1244676995390361602?s=20

statesaver

take everything wrote: »

Anyway be know how many new cases today

We'll find out at 7pm.

YFlyer

ChikiChiki wrote: »

Fair play, that's his perogative. Do you have an issue or what?

I don't see the benefit.