CoVid19 Part XII - 4,604 in ROI (137 deaths) 998 in NI (56 deaths)(04/04) **Read OP**

Widdensushi

YFlyer wrote: »

I agree. I said to him that wearing gloves won't make a difference if you put your hands to your face. He agreed and thanked me.

Can understand when he wears the gloves going shopping.

was working with a lad last week who was wearing work gloves, he usually wouldn't, his phone rang in his pocket, took it out and answered it with gloves on, crooked the phone between his ear and shoulder and proceeded to take the gloves off in the improper way and pick up the phone. I asked him later if the gloves were for coronavirus and he replied they were. I mentioned that there was a proper way to take them off,he replied he was only wearing them to keep his wife happy.

davedanon

wakka12 wrote: »

I always see articles popping up practically everyday like 'doctor in New york cures all patients with malaria drug' ' 5 people in singapore in critical condition make full recovery after doctor administers some cocktail of drugs' are these stories just bs or why are those methods not then disseminated and used worldwide?

Because those articles are all mostly nonsense, and disinformation is unhelpful. See: Donald Trump.

Muahahaha

voluntary wrote: »

I have a feeling America (both North and South) will be hit much harder by the virus than Europe.

Yeah and then I think India is going to blow everyone out of the water, 1.4bn people with a crumbling health service and no ability to lockdown like China has

wakka12

253 more deaths in New York, deaths rise to 1218 with a total of almost 67,000 cases now

Red for Danger

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Have you got a link for this change?

Sorry but I can't keep an eye on top of the minutia of reporting in every single country on the planet.:rolleyes:

But why post about it then if you don't know...
I've only read a small part of the thread and last time i looked you were showing misleading videos off paris!!

The situation how the deaths were being reported in france was disscussed in all french media for 2 days last week. Their government has committed either last Thursday or friday to put up the real figures from monday on.

Widdensushi

caveat emptor wrote: »

Heard Prince Charles is over it. Do you think they were given a small dose of a different strain. Seems a lot of important people getting it but not that ill.

https://twitter.com/QuickTake/status/1244630279362404352?s=20

plenty getting it and getting over it that we don't know about, many don't know they had it themselves. You are not going to hear about them unless they are famous.

wakka12

https://www.usnews.com/news/world-report/articles/2020-03-30/moscow-orders-citywide-quarantine-amid-coronavirus-pandemic
Moscow has been quarantined

Christy42

caveat emptor wrote: »

Heard Prince Charles is over it. Do you think they were given a small dose of a different strain. Seems a lot of important people getting it but not that ill.

https://twitter.com/QuickTake/status/1244630279362404352?s=20

Most people get mild versions of the disease. The rich and famous get tested quicker than the rest of us so we find out more of their cases. Even amongst the general population the kill rate is higher than preferred but not actually high enough that you would expect a lot of people with access to the best healthcare to die from it.

bekker

statesaver wrote: »

So, nursing home deaths will not be included either ?

Sorry don't know but it's a reasonable inference.

Heard it in passing on radio or TV within past hour possibly it was in context of the homes.

Ulysses Gaze

Roger_007 wrote: »

I don’t know why the Democrats don’t put him forward as a presidential candidate. He’s the best communicator I have ever seen on the political stage.

Because he dismissed Bill DeBlasio's call to quarantine New York until it was too late. Potentially costing the lives of thousands of more people than necessary.

Kermit.de.frog

Red for Danger wrote: »

But why post about it then if you don't know...
I've only read a small part of the thread and last time i looked you were showing misleading videos off paris!!

The situation how the deaths were being reported in france was disscussed in all french media for 2 days last week. Their government has committed either last Thursday or friday to put up the real figures from monday on.

Because I did know what the policy was.

You are saying it has changed. If so, great.

Have you a link that it's changed?

It would go some way to explain the jump in recorded deaths.

elperello

washman3 wrote: »

I call bulls##t in all 3 cases.
Egomaniacs.

How do you explain the positive tests in all three cases?

splinter65

caveat emptor wrote: »

Heard Prince Charles is over it. Do you think they were given a small dose of a different strain. Seems a lot of important people getting it but not that ill.

https://twitter.com/QuickTake/status/1244630279362404352?s=20

90%+ of people who get it are getting over it and getting better and getting back to normal. Why should famous people be any different?

Marsden35

Covid-19 meets its match.


https://twitter.com/hemantmehta/status/1244344119545208834?s=20

otnomart

caveat emptor wrote: »

Heard Prince Charles is over it. Do you think they were given a small dose of a different strain. Seems a lot of important people getting it but not that ill.

They are probably prescribed anti-virals, while most ordinary people not hospitalised have to cope with paracetamol.

wakka12

https://www.imperial.ac.uk/news/196556/coronavirus-measures-have-already-averted-120000/
The current measures rolled out across Europe may have already prevented the loss of 120,000 lives

OscarMIlde

bekker wrote: »

The number being sought is the number of tests the labs in aggregate can process daily.

The qualifications you are citing, apply to any processing operation distributed over separate locations.

The usual method of dealing with them is establish maximum practical throughput per location, then in aggregate the fluctuations between locations can usually be expected to balance out.

Any significant deviations in throughput normally indicate/reflect a system failure.

Absence of information and obfuscation is what leads to rumour and fear, not seeking information/clarification.

That's difficult to estimate in the case of RT PCR. The lab analysis has roughly 5 main steps 1) book in of samples. 2) RNA extraction 3) cDNA synthesis 4) RT-PCR 5) analysis and results reporting. These are discrete steps and can be split over different days. e.g samples from late afternoon may have RNA extracted and stored in a -80C for the following day's shift. Alternatively finished cDNA may be held in a -20C freezer until a machine is free to conduct RT-PCR. The labs are generally overlapping all of these steps to maximise output, for example while a machine is running an RT-PCR plate for one set of patients the scientist may begin making another batch of cDNA from a different cohort. I'm not involved in covid-19 testing but I imagine the scientists who are are busy enough processing samples and analysing results without devoting time to figuring estimating how many tests they can do in a day for someone on boards.ie.

growleaves

South Africa begins 'unprecedented' military-patrolled lockdown

"I send you out to go and defend our people against coronavirus," Ramaphosa said.

"This is unprecedented, not only in our democracy but also in the history of our country, that we will have a lockdown for 21 days to go out and wage war against an invisible enemy coronavirus," he said.

During South Africa's shutdown there will be no jogging, dog-walking or sale of alcohol across the country, which so far has the highest number of detected infections in sub-Saharan Africa at 927, with Ramaphosa projecting it could reach 1,500 "within a few days".

I love how they've banned the sale of alcohol. Didn't some people here call for that as well? There must be some pscyhological reason why prohibtion is such a feature of these lockdowns. Is is just the banal explanation that alcohol is bad for your health or something more?

Ulysses Gaze

Marsden35 wrote: »

Covid-19 meets its match.


https://twitter.com/hemantmehta/status/1244344119545208834?s=20

LOL...

And I though Bob Tilton was bad!

walshb

Italy hit hard again..over 800...

Up and down. But mostly over 700 dead per day these past few days..

Kermit.de.frog

Marsden35 wrote: »

Covid-19 meets its match.


https://twitter.com/hemantmehta/status/1244344119545208834?s=20

I'm healed!

realrebel

[Deleted User] wrote: »

"Important" people get preferential treatment in this country.

Ya looks like it even tho my brother in law was in bergamo in northern italy at the end of January and in madrid in early March
And he is still waiting

Be right back

Glad to hear that Kermit, you had me worried!

splinter65

otnomart wrote: »

They are probably prescribed anti-virals, while most ordinary people not hospitalised have to cope with paracetamol.

Or maybe it’s just that his granny lived to be 101 and his mother and father are nearly 94 and nearly 99 respectively and have enjoyed extremely rude good health all their lives leading us to assume that he’s genetically programmed to fight these things off?

Rob A. Bank

wakka12 wrote: »

253 more deaths in New York, deaths rise to 1218 with a total of almost 67,000 cases now

If New York was a country it would now be 5th in the world for total cases !

Very rough in the Big Apple as this virus causes carnage.

Also Spain has overtaken China in terms of total cases.

DOCARCH

Big jump in France's figures today, both ne cases and deaths.

Mental Mickey

No briefing?

saabsaab

Deleted User wrote: »

"Important" people get preferential treatment in this country.

The same everywhere. Anyway key people in all areas of public life, politics medicine etc. should be at the top of the list for testing and treatment too.

otnomart

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

France is not including deaths outside hospitals in it's figures (like nursing homes, homes etc).

I don't know why.

There must be some practical reason for it.

Article on France's reporting.

• Hospital deaths are reported via a system called SI-VIC
• Other deaths are reported via another system called CépiDC
• Nursing home (Ehpad) deaths are not yet counted. A system to report them is currently being worked on.

Source: French TV

https://www.bfmtv.com/sante/coronavi...e-1882426.html

owlbethere

Marsden35 wrote: »

Nursing homes should have been the first to lock down. I'm happy to say that the nursing home my mother works in was locked down fairly sharpish. Still a risk with the care workers going in and out obviously, but no visitors allowed.

My mother said if Corona got into the home it would just burn through it in days.

There was a norovirus outbreak (winter vomiting bug) a couple of years back and it took out 8 of the residents in a week.

They were the first to implement restrictions. They did it at the time without the backing of the government or the HSE. At the time the government and other professionals were telling the public not to make any decisions or something like that. The restrictions also came in at the time that other towns and villages were making up their own minds and cancelling their local parades. At the same time the WHO was recommending social distancing and there was a professional on the late late show telling the viewers not to panic and go out and enjoy life and don't hide away and essentially telling us to socialise.

That was around about the 5th/6th of March.

auspicious

Muahahaha wrote: »

Yeah and then I think India is going to blow everyone out of the water, 1.4bn people with a crumbling health service and no ability to lockdown like China has

It's very sad. The people were given four hours to plan before lockdown measures were enforced. Hundreds of thousands clambered across each other vying for access to transport home. Many are resigned to walking hundreds of kilometres back to their villages and some have died doing so. There's not enough food provisioned to feed the homeless men, women and children.

bekker

wakka12 wrote: »

https://www.usnews.com/news/world-report/articles/2020-03-30/moscow-orders-citywide-quarantine-amid-coronavirus-pandemic
Moscow has been quarantined

Moscow Times good source for info on Russia, pro-EU orientated, slanted anti-Putin in 'soft' reports, but good on hard info and laws introdiced etc.
[URL="Moscow Times is a good source for info on Russia, pro-EU orientated, slanted anti-Putin in 'soft' reports, but good on hard info and laws introduced etc.

https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2020/03/30/coronavirus-in-russia-the-latest-news-march-29-a69117

Naggdefy

HSE fluctuating public pronouncements don't fill me with confidence. 3 weeks ago it was all we were low risk, low risk when we had single digit cases.

2 weeks ago seriously high risk. 15,000 cases by the end of March.

Now they are going to tell us we are somewhere in the middle, which will probably be correct. But they seem full of guess work and wildly fluctuating modelling.

ShayNanigan

Can you watch the HSE briefing somewhere or do I just have to wait for the news at 9?

davedanon

elperello wrote: »

How do you explain the positive tests in all three cases?

They all have Covid, so they tested positive.

What are you insinuating, that there's something sinister going on?

Naggdefy

ShayNanigan wrote: »

Can you watch the HSE briefing somewhere or do I just have to wait for the news at 9?

Rte news now.

ACitizenErased

ShayNanigan wrote: »

Can you watch the HSE briefing somewhere or do I just have to wait for the news at 9?

RTE News Now, channel 521 on Sky

pjohnson

Up to 6 recoveries. A former hurler released from hospital

https://punditarena.com/gaa/kennedymarisa760/dublin-carton-discharged-covid-19/?fbclid=IwAR0Ajrreh3KOM3blNV1MeqEouqtUrhhHkpqTuzvwCD8DOoYPRpg7ZJdH24Y

marilynrr

New Home wrote: »

You do realise that being old and being happy with dying from Covid doesn't stop you from infecting other people, right?

Of course I realise that. I think those who want to cocoon should do so but others should be allowed to make their own choices.
Can you imagine being 90 years old now and hearing talk of this lockdown that might last for months and months and how some of those people feel right now, that they lived their whole life and now might have to die after being isolated and not seeing their families for these last few months. They must be heartbroken. Some will want to try to go back to normality.

New Home wrote: »

And that irrespective of what people might want for themselves (be it for sticking to their running routine or meet their friends and relatives), if they catch it they will increase the burden on the health system

Can you imagine being 90 years old now after living your whole life and after the initial lockdown is over and then easing measures are put in place to still be told you must stay in or else you'd be a 'burden to the health system'.
Some elderly would happily say not to put them on a ventilator if they get it, just let them live their lives now.

New Home wrote: »

and cause untold grief to the people they care about and those who care about them?

Yes it will cause grief, but to be honest what would break my heart more is knowing that my elderly relations want to go out but instead they're not allowed to leave the house and people aren't allowed to visit. Imagine how traumatised that will leave people when their loved ones pass. There is no easy way....so it's going to have to come down to personal choice.

Be right back

ShayNanigan wrote: »

Can you watch the HSE briefing somewhere or do I just have to wait for the news at 9?

Rte news now?

Cork Boy 53

Marsden35 wrote: »

Covid-19 meets its match.


https://twitter.com/hemantmehta/status/1244344119545208834?s=20

Tootsie_1

ShayNanigan wrote: »

Can you watch the HSE briefing somewhere or do I just have to wait for the news at 9?

Rte news now , doesn't seem to have started yet

CIARAN_BOYLE

Be right back wrote: »

Rte news now?

It says its coming up

spookwoman

*uck sake rte news now is a cross between one big advert and a broken record player.

c.p.w.g.w

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

It says its coming up

You can get it on the RTE Player, have in on myself waiting for it to start

Naggdefy

Tootsie_1 wrote: »

Rte news now , doesn't seem to have started yet

It's always like that. Old news reports then goes live to conference.

Roger_007

ACitizenErased wrote: »

RTE News Now, channel 521 on Sky

Not on yet!

davedanon

Naggdefy wrote: »

HSE fluctuating public pronouncements don't fill me with confidence. 3 weeks ago it was all we were low risk, low risk when we had single digit cases.

2 weeks ago seriously high risk. 15,000 cases by the end of March.

Now they are going to tell us we are somewhere in the middle, which will probably be correct. But they seem full of guess work and wildly fluctuating modelling.

They said it was a possibility, not an inevitability. They probably erred on the high side, in order to convince people of the absolute necessity to comply with the guidelines. If they had said "be grand, probably won't even be 5000 cases by the end of the month", which is what it will be, people might not have complied as much, and we could have had those 15000 cases. The way this thing works, exponentially, means that seemingly small adjustments can have big effects.

J. Marston

deise08 wrote: »

Cuomo on sky now.
He's brilliant.

Roger_007 wrote: »

I don’t know why the Democrats don’t put him forward as a presidential candidate. He’s the best communicator I have ever seen on the political stage.

He may not be the hero everyone thinks he is...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7ehYduP4KU

According to that pediatric nurse he would call Cuomo "the single most important person in terms of the drive to close down hospital beds in this state over the last 20 years."

YFlyer

Widdensushi wrote: »

was working with a lad last week who was wearing work gloves, he usually wouldn't, his phone rang in his pocket, took it out and answered it with gloves on, crooked the phone between his ear and shoulder and proceeded to take the gloves off in the improper way and pick up the phone. I asked him later if the gloves were for coronavirus and he replied they were. I mentioned that there was a proper way to take them off,he replied he was only wearing them to keep his wife happy.

This chap is on a Marie Curie PhD funded research programme.