CoVid19 Part XII - 4,604 in ROI (137 deaths) 998 in NI (56 deaths)(04/04) **Read OP**

easypazz

What happened Claire Byrnes lamp?

Shn99

Whats the story with the leaflet and the 2 postcards from an post? Has everyone else received theirs? No one in our community has yet

Achasanai

Wolf359f wrote: »

I have it myself, so was looking at the reprecussions of it.
After a flare up, you go onto steroids to clear it up and if it's a mild case then no more treatment required. But you can flare up again in the future. I think if you keep flaring up, then it's onto the medication, some of which are immune supressants.

Can I ask whether you are 'cocooning'? There seems to be a bit of confusion as to whether it's the underlying condition or the drugs that require the cocooning (this is from the person's GP).

JoChervil

Tanner Cold Needlepoint wrote: »

I am correct, it is you who hasn’t a breeze.

The numbers are clearly cumulative how else are they giving percentages if they total number who need hospitalisation and then giving the percentage of that who needed icu and that’s 84 as of today.

84 is the total number since day 1 who have passed though ICU up to Saturday night simple as that.

You like most reporters etc are either not understanding or purposely misrepresenting the figures.

If this 84 is a cumulative number, so how could have it dropped from 88 reported on the previous day?

People stay in ICU beds for weeks. See how many critical patients from this cruise are still in critical condition

Thepoet85

He just said he knows more than anyone about S. Korea. He claimed hat 38 million people love in Seoul. Its about 10m.

froog

RiseAbove4 wrote: »

So let’s look at the maths of it all;

- It has an R0 of roughly 2 (for every person that has it, they pass it onto two)

- it’s estimated at least 60-70% of us will get this

- 1 in 5 people in Ireland who’ve had it so far have been hospitalised


Somebody please tell me if some positivity amongst those numbers before I have my first drink in three years

Because I’m failing to see it

60-70% of people infected is an absolute worst case scenario, if zero control measures were employed. swine flu ended up at 11-21% of the global population and it had nowhere near the controls the world is doing now. so the final figure is likely to be even lower than that.

"hospitalised" numbers doesn't really matter than much, we can expand easily to treat these. it's the critical care numbers that require specialised equipment and staff (ICU). currently 3% of cases in ireland need this level of care. ireland is expanding these capabilities but we really don't know when or if our capacity here will be exhausted.

early days yet but our trends looks promising so far. we appear to possibly be "flattening the curve". the next week will tell a lot.

also there are several promising therapeutic drugs being trialed and these could be approved much faster than a vaccine. these will hugely relieve the pressure on our ICU beds.

also it does actually appear that this thing is somewhat temperature/humidity dependent so that will help in the summer in temperate countries like ireland. (i know some people don't believe this, but there has been scientific analysis and it appears there is indeed a relationship between climate and transmisability)

daheff

easypazz wrote: »

What happened Claire Byrnes lamp?

Why can't Ryan do the late late from Claire's shed?

Ryan and Claire both have the virus...hmmm...hmm

Anybody else in Montrose come down with it yet??

gozunda

Would appear that testing and lab analysis are a now a disaster - with 40,00 tests cancelled and new tests going without results for up to 12 days due to lack of reagent and other issues

The released figures of those infected simply cannot be reliable at this point ...

Purple Mountain

Shn99 wrote: »

Whats the story with the leaflet and the 2 postcards from an post? Has everyone else received theirs? No one in our community has yet

We got 2 lots. Both went in the bin.
Waste of resources when we need such other more pressing items.

murpho999

tobefrank321 wrote: »

Care to post your 5 now?

Sounds to me like you've no ideas yourself, and are only interested in reacting to what others say.

Why should they post 5 just because you want it?

You post the same stuff here over and over again.

Going on and on about flights but they're not the problem now.

Nursing care staff in Hazmat suits. Are you crazy? Do you realise that it's impossible for staff to work in nursing homes in them and never mind the effect on their clients.
Also, where would the suits come from?

Temperatures of people on the street would show nothing and then what do you do if they have a temperature? Enforce emergency legislation and arrest them.

It's in the community.

But you know what look at the numbers, it appears that the ideas that the government brought in under advice from CMO and HSE are working.

Numbers are nowhere near forecast and not at the levels that you or other posters are saying. You're probably disappointed you can't crow on about how "I predicted at Christmas there'd be 20,000 cases at the end of March".

FVP3

JoChervil wrote: »

If this 84 is a cumulative number, so how could have it dropped from 88 reported on the previous day?

People stay in ICU beds for weeks. See how many critical patients from this cruise are still in critical condition

It is true that a cumulative number can't drop.

bottlebrush

Purple Mountain wrote: »

We got 2 lots. Both went in the bin.
Waste of resources when we need such other more pressing items.

Are there stamps on the postcards?

Strazdas

Mail reporting nine 'domestic' murders in the UK in last 24 hours. This type of thing was always going to be one of the huge downsides of the lockdown.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts

RiseAbove4 wrote: »

So let’s look at the maths of it all;

- It has an R0 of roughly 2 (for every person that has it, they pass it onto two)

- it’s estimated at least 60-70% of us will get this

- 1 in 5 people in Ireland who’ve had it so far have been hospitalised


Somebody please tell me if some positivity amongst those numbers before I have my first drink in three years

Because I’m failing to see it

Well, people who have it don’t shed it forever so theoretically, it is possible to stop it spreading. In practice, that’s much harder though because some people get only mild symptoms and might not know they have it. It’s a shame that it’s not really practical to quickly test the whole country. I read somewhere that Iceland might be testing its entire population because it’s a small enough population to be able to do so.

If people who test positive fastidiously quarantine themselves, that will help.

Gods Gift

easypazz wrote: »

What happened Claire Byrnes lamp?

Claire loves lamp.

elperello

Purple Mountain wrote: »

We got 2 lots. Both went in the bin.
Waste of resources when we need such other more pressing items.

Sent mine to a couple of older relations who might appreciate the reach out.

It was a decent gesture from An Post who taking their corporate responsibility seriously.

wakka12

Strazdas wrote: »

Mail reporting nine 'domestic' murders in the UK in last 24 hours. This type of thing was always going to be one of the huge downsides of the lockdown.

Is 9 a lot or a little?

murpho999

gozunda wrote: »

Would appear that testing and lab analysis are a now a disaster - with 40,00 tests cancelled and new tests going without results for up to 12 days due to lack of reagent and other issues

The released figures of those infected simply cannot be reliable at this point ...

Simon Coveny just confirmed that 5,000 tests a day are being done and is increasing.
That's the highest per head of population rate in Europe.

I don't get the panic over knowing the number of cases. It can never be accurate without 100% daily testing of the populatoin.
I think deaths and ICU numbers say more.

Urethral Buttercup

Got to love all the cooped up paranoid saddos who are bitter about getting two free to send postcards from an post.

joe_99

STB. wrote: »

Total number admitted to ICU 84.

Total number. Anyone in ICU at that moment in time is those "admitted". The numbers will only decrease if someone recovers or dies. The numbers decreased in ICU today by 4, from yesterdays 88.

COVID cases

20th March 17 cases in ICU
24th March 47 cases in ICU
25th March 59 cases in ICU
26th March 67 cases in ICU
27th March 77 cases in ICU
28th March 84 cases in ICU
29th March 88 cases in ICU
30th March 84 cases in ICU

Where are you getting the data for 29th & 30th? Thanks

Dr. Bre

Cocooning sounds a bit like spooning

Amirani

JoChervil wrote: »

If this 84 is a cumulative number, so how could have it dropped from 88 reported on the previous day?

People stay in ICU beds for weeks. See how many critical patients from this cruise are still in critical condition

People in ICU die too.

Urethral Buttercup

Dr. Bre wrote: »

Cocooning sounds a bit like spooning

Don't spoon granny.

Strazdas

wakka12 wrote: »

Is 9 a lot or a little?

An awful lot : people being killed in their own homes by family members

elperello

bottlebrush wrote: »

Are there stamps on the postcards?

Yes.

Free to post.

Just takes a couple of minutes and you could make a difference to someone who is finding the isolation difficult.

murpho999

Purple Mountain wrote: »

We got 2 lots. Both went in the bin.
Waste of resources when we need such other more pressing items.

Hope it was the recycling bin if you're so worried about resources.

Anyhow, government is informing people. Not everybody is online all the time or access news etc.

Also, the An Post idea has been received well and is a nice idea to keep people connected.

You can't have misery all the time.

Heiser

My partner is a Healthcare Assistant and is now working on wards with positive cases.

I'm now really nervous about her getting it. She was given no training on how to put the PPE on properly and was only given a surgical mask to wear yesterday (although she was working in an area with people waiting to get tested, rather than purely with positive cases like today). All this for 16 quid an hour.

I have to say I'm really nervous for her and I'm also very nervous for my health, I have bad asthma.

I think I might have to isolate away from her from now, but this could go on for months. Are there any other partners of healthcare workers on here?
How are you approaching your living arrangements? Is it carry on as normal or are you isolating away from your partners?

I suppose I should be isolating but practically can this be done for months on end when your living in the same apartment?

Wolf359f

Achasanai wrote: »

Can I ask whether you are 'cocooning'? There seems to be a bit of confusion as to whether it's the underlying condition or the drugs that require the cocooning (this is from the person's GP).

I've been cocooning the past 3 weeks.
I'd assume taking immune suppressants, supresses the immune system. It's the same medication transplant patients take and they are being asked to cocoon. So, I'll air on the side of caution.

Ficheall

elperello wrote: »

Free to post.

Just takes a couple of minutes and you could make a difference to someone who is finding the isolation difficult.

Yeah, you could send them the coronavirus.

JoChervil

JoChervil wrote: »

If this 84 is a cumulative number, so how could have it dropped from 88 reported on the previous day?

People stay in ICU beds for weeks. See how many critical patients from this cruise are still in critical condition

From what I can see the 88 number is not an official number, it’s not on the gov.ie website so I don’t think people should be quoting it as fact.

Snow Garden

Heiser wrote: »

My partner is a Healthcare Assistant and is now working on wards with positive cases.

I'm now really nervous about her getting it. She was given no training on how to put the PPE on properly and was only given a surgical mask to wear yesterday (although she was working in an area with people waiting to get tested, rather than purely with positive cases like today). All this for 16 quid an hour.

I have to say I'm really nervous for her and I'm also very nervous for my health, I have bad asthma.

I think I might have to isolate away from her from now, but this could go on for months. Are there any other partners of healthcare workers on here?
How are you approaching your living arrangements? Is it carry on as normal or are you isolating away from your partners?

Youtube is good for videos showing how to put on and remove PPE. I know other heath services people use Youtube for guidance/training

Examples:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ez4Wfqqq0fc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKz_vNGsNhc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxdaSeq4EVU

elperello

Ficheall wrote: »

Yeah, you could send them the coronavirus.

Not likely according to what I have read.

stephenjmcd

JoChervil wrote: »

If this 84 is a cumulative number, so how could have it dropped from 88 reported on the previous day?

People stay in ICU beds for weeks. See how many critical patients from this cruise are still in critical condition

Because the HSE update yesterday gave an ICU figure which was the most up to date number the HSE had. The number given by the DoH this evening is what it was notified of by the health surveillance centre as of Saturday night. Theres a lag in the numbers for some reason. Tomorrows DoH figures should be along the lines of the 88 reported yesterday. It's a silly way of reporting as it leads to confusion with 2 agencies giving 2 different figures.

Question has been asked by journalists at the briefing now a few times and each time they've been told the ICU number is the total since the start. CMO said it again this evening. I think both the HSE and DoH need to just sing off the same hymn sheet to avoid anymore confusion on the total numbers.

JoChervil

Amirani wrote: »

People in ICU die too.

That's why it is a current number. 4 people left the beds

tobefrank321

gozunda wrote: »

Would appear that testing and lab analysis are a now a disaster - with 40,00 tests cancelled and new tests going without results for up to 12 days due to lack of reagent and other issues

The released figures of those infected simply cannot be reliable at this point ...

I think confirmed case numbers have to be taken with a pinch of salt in any country bar maybe South Korea. Italy, UK and US are woefully under reporting cases by perhaps a factor of ten. Its obvious there's some logistical issues here.

Its harder to fudge ICU admissions and deaths though.

Amirani

Heiser wrote: »

I think I might have to isolate away from her from now, but this could go on for months. Are there any other partners of healthcare workers on here?
How are you approaching your living arrangements? Is it carry on as normal or are you isolating away from your partners?

Yeah. My partner showers (hair is a particular focus area!) and changes clothes straight away when she gets in the door.

She's an A&E doctor so is constantly interacting with Covid patients. We act as normal amongst ourselves but have essentially been doing the current level of lockdown for a few weeks. Neither of us have any comorbitities though. Take care of yourself!

podgeandrodge

For what it's worth, an interview that The Sun published that Sean O'Rourke had on, might be of interest to those shopping...

Coronavirus Ireland: Expert on risk of catching virus while shopping in the supermarket


Kim Roberts, a lecturer at Trinity College Dublin, said that there is a risk of picking up Covid-19 at the shops but that risk is low.


Speaking to Sean O'Rourke on RTE Radio One, the assistant professor said that the biggest risk is what you are touching inside the shops.

Ms Roberts said: "The biggest risk is in the actual activity of doing your shopping, so if you are travelling on public transport it's about trying to maintain the two metre social distance from everyone else.

"If you are walking around the corner then obviously the risk is lower. When you go into the shop, when you touch the doors, freezers trolleys, those are all high touch surfaces that lot's of people would have touched so there's a risk there.

"So when I go out shopping, I assume as soon as I leave my house that my hands are dirty, so I wash my hands before I leave, so I go out the door assuming my hands are dirty and don't touch my face and touch as little surfaces as possible.

"If I assume my hands are dirty I am less likely to touch my face, my eyes, my nose and am therefore reducing my transmission risk.

"When you are in the shop the chances of a particular tin can you are picking up or a pack of cornflakes having a high enough amount of virus on them to cause a transmission is really low.

"Those individual shopping items are not seen as high risk.

"Everything we do has a risk. Somebody might have directly sneezed onto that tin can but that is unlikely to have happened."

The Trinity lecturer believes that wearing gloves do little to protect people and in some cases increase the risk of transmission.

She added: "Gloves can actually increase transmission risk. If we are touching stuff with gloves it is the exact same risk as without them on our hands.

"It gives us a false sense of security and people take higher risks."

Once you arrive home with the groceries, Ms Roberts doesn't think it's necessary to do a deep clean of items.

The Trinity lecturer said: "When you come back into the house wash you hands straight away, I would then put the shopping away immediately.

"Then I'd wash my hands again.

"I wouldn't(wash down the tins and food) because I personally believe that the chances someone sneezed or coughed on them is very low.

"But when I'm cooking I would wash my hands repeatedly.

"The virus isn't destroyed by cold temperatures, so putting it in the fridge or freezer won't kill it, but cooking will.

"The virus can theoretically survive on cardboard for up to 24 hours but that is very high dosages, normally it would be just a few hours."

BanditLuke

gozunda wrote: »

Would appear that testing and lab analysis are a now a disaster - with 40,00 tests cancelled and new tests going without results for up to 12 days due to lack of reagent and other issues

The released figures of those infected simply cannot be reliable at this point ...

Yeah it certainly looks like a disaster alright.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts

Heiser wrote: »

My partner is a Healthcare Assistant and is now working on wards with positive cases.

I'm now really nervous about her getting it. She was given no training on how to put the PPE on properly and was only given a surgical mask to wear yesterday (although she was working in an area with people waiting to get tested, rather than purely with positive cases like today). All this for 16 quid an hour.

I have to say I'm really nervous for her and I'm also very nervous for my health, I have bad asthma.

I think I might have to isolate away from her from now, but this could go on for months. Are there any other partners of healthcare workers on here?
How are you approaching your living arrangements? Is it carry on as normal or are you isolating away from your partners?

I suppose I should be isolating but practically can this be done for months on end when your living in the same apartment?

I don’t have any practical advice but just wanted to say good luck and I hope you work out a living situation that you’re comfortable with.

joe_99

Tanner Cold Needlepoint wrote: »

From what I can see the 88 number is not an official number, it’s not on the gov.ie website so I don’t think people should be quoting it as fact.

Yes, can't find it anywhere

Shpongler

Just saw him in isolation on Claire Byrne

Tandey

toneygecko wrote: »

LOL, the resemblance is kind of striking in that portrait

The only things that are striking are those paddles!

Woodsie1

podgeandrodge wrote: »

For what it's worth, an interview that The Sun published that Sean O'Rourke had on, might be of interest to those shopping...

Coronavirus Ireland: Expert on risk of catching virus while shopping in the supermarket


Kim Roberts, a lecturer at Trinity College Dublin, said that there is a risk of picking up Covid-19 at the shops but that risk is low.


Speaking to Sean O'Rourke on RTE Radio One, the assistant professor said that the biggest risk is what you are touching inside the shops.

Ms Roberts said: "The biggest risk is in the actual activity of doing your shopping, so if you are travelling on public transport it's about trying to maintain the two metre social distance from everyone else.

"If you are walking around the corner then obviously the risk is lower. When you go into the shop, when you touch the doors, freezers trolleys, those are all high touch surfaces that lot's of people would have touched so there's a risk there.

"So when I go out shopping, I assume as soon as I leave my house that my hands are dirty, so I wash my hands before I leave, so I go out the door assuming my hands are dirty and don't touch my face and touch as little surfaces as possible.

"If I assume my hands are dirty I am less likely to touch my face, my eyes, my nose and am therefore reducing my transmission risk.

"When you are in the shop the chances of a particular tin can you are picking up or a pack of cornflakes having a high enough amount of virus on them to cause a transmission is really low.

"Those individual shopping items are not seen as high risk.

"Everything we do has a risk. Somebody might have directly sneezed onto that tin can but that is unlikely to have happened."

The Trinity lecturer believes that wearing gloves do little to protect people and in some cases increase the risk of transmission.

She added: "Gloves can actually increase transmission risk. If we are touching stuff with gloves it is the exact same risk as without them on our hands.

"It gives us a false sense of security and people take higher risks."

Once you arrive home with the groceries, Ms Roberts doesn't think it's necessary to do a deep clean of items.

The Trinity lecturer said: "When you come back into the house wash you hands straight away, I would then put the shopping away immediately.

"Then I'd wash my hands again.

"I wouldn't(wash down the tins and food) because I personally believe that the chances someone sneezed or coughed on them is very low.

"But when I'm cooking I would wash my hands repeatedly.

"The virus isn't destroyed by cold temperatures, so putting it in the fridge or freezer won't kill it, but cooking will.

"The virus can theoretically survive on cardboard for up to 24 hours but that is very high dosages, normally it would be just a few hours."

Change the colour:cool:

saabsaab

Gods Gift wrote: »

Claire loves lamp.

?


Is this a Fr Ted reference as in



'Fr jack loves brick' ?

stockshares

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

This Cosgrave fella is going to torpedo any future business he wants to do in Ireland, in the future, with his witless stupidity.

He's a grade A clown.

Was he not forced to move his Tech expo to Portugal because the gov wouldn't support it or am I confusing him with someone else. He seems bitter.

iwillyeah1234

Hopkins - 777k cases , 37k deaths
https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html

Looks like we’re going to hit 1 million cases some time tommorow probably.

walshb

Claire Byrne in her shed again?

What is with these self-important pretentious attention seeking nobodies...

Get the fook off the stage!!!

cnocbui

timmy_mallet wrote: »

I love that this starts with 'What is it that you don't get? Possibly...'. POSSIBLY!!

I used that modifier on the off chance there were two asymptomatic infected people in the choir, rather than just one.

stephenjmcd

JoChervil wrote: »

That's why it is a current number. 4 people left the beds

It's not, the HSE yesterday gave a number as of yesterday morning.

The DoH numbers today were as of Saturday night. They aren't up to date and they get them from health surveillance centre and that's the numbers they gave them. There is always a delay of about a day and half for some reason.

The number tomorrow would be similar or more to what the HSE gave Sunday. Confusing I know.

And the numbers are the total since the start, not the active numbers.

Eric Cartman

Considering how much people love to take a pop at the US healthcare system, their detection level and death rate is more impressive than many places with 'free' healthcare.