CoVid19 Part XII - 4,604 in ROI (137 deaths) 998 in NI (56 deaths)(04/04) **Read OP**

STB.

gozunda wrote: »

Nope. Incorrect. Take a listen to today's briefings and questions asked by the journalists present. The figures given are far from clear.

Incorrect how ?


What did you not understand.

Speakerboxx

gozunda wrote: »

Nope. Incorrect. Take a listen to today's briefings and questions asked by the journalists present. The figures given are far from clear.

People do like drama and scaremongering. None of what they are saying is almost true. The curve is flattening cases and deaths will get lower and Ireland will be back again.

Mervyn Skidmore

V8 Interceptor wrote: »

Nobody's talking about Irish citizens.

Would it have been unconstitutional to close the border to thousands of Italians at the time or would it have been common sense?

Well you're calling for "close the borders" without conditions. Please lay out your conditions for everyone.

V8 Interceptor

Mervyn Skidmore wrote: »

Have you ever considered that maybe the guy with the PHD knows more about the situation than you do?

Christ, can't you think for yourself?!!

What do you think about it?

murpho999

V8 Interceptor wrote: »

The PHD comment was sarcasm as in it took the guy a PHD and a month and a half after the virus exploded in Europe and infected the sh1t out of Ireland to decide that maybe the borders should be closed.


Again you're missing the point. Weeks after the decision should've been taken and well into the virus getting in amongst our population, an expert in this field says that perhaps we should close the borders!

Don't you get it!!!

The article you quoted, says we should be looking at it and i'm sure it's being looked at but not being chosen now.
Also, he has only said this over the last couple of days not a month or two ago.

Don't you get it?

I think the government has been good to listen to the scientists on this and pretty much followed their advice.

Going on about flights and melodramtic claims without any evidenced based back up that the country is 'riddled' is just hyperbole in my opinion.

V8 Interceptor

DubInMeath wrote: »

Nope have a life, but easy to see the posters asking the same questions over and over again despite being given an answer, like your ones about flights. Say hi to gems for me btw.

You've never given me one satisfactory answer.

Why weren't our borders closed other than to bring citizens home 6 weeks ago?

auspicious

Mervyn Skidmore wrote: »

Didn't think that was a thing. Can he get in that position? He's an elderly man.

Well you can't beat a bit of double entendre.

There's none in this song though.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RTODB54JalU

Kermit.de.frog

279 deaths so far for Monday in New York according to Worldometers site.

V8 Interceptor

murpho999 wrote: »

The article you quoted, says we should be looking at it and i'm sure it's being looked at but not being chosen now.
Also, he has only said this over the last couple of days not a month or two ago.

Don't you get it?

Erm that's my point. Why has this genius only arrived at this conclusion two days ago?

murpho999

V8 Interceptor wrote: »

Nobody's talking about Irish citizens.

Would it have been unconstitutional to close the border to thousands of Italians at the time or would it have been common sense?

Yes, due to EU freedom of movement regulatoins.

Also, who are these thousands of Italians?

Can you not accept that it's more likely brought to this country by the thousands of Irish coming back, most likely from ski trips.

Jinglejangle69

V8 Interceptor wrote: »

You've never given me one satisfactory answer.

Why weren't our borders closed other than to bring citizens home 6 weeks ago?

Zzzzzzzzzzzzz

gozunda

murpho999 wrote: »

The source is Simon Coveney, An Tanaiste, he said it on Claire Byrne Show tonight.
Start of last week they were at 2,000 per day and aimed to get to 5,000 quickly and then hit 15,000.

I wish people could provide sources of why they state the testing numbers are lower


No this is all about testing being completed in labs as lab capacity is the issue.
Taking a swab is not the actual test.

As the old saying goes - between the aim and the bowl - there tends to be a lot of piss ...

I know that taking a swab is not the test. What makes you believe otherwise????

The shortage of reagent was detailed as one of the major issues why swabs were not being analysed atm.

So 5000 is not the actual number completed per day. Good thats cleared up anyway.

Watch todays briefing and the questions asked about this issue if you are in any further doubt...

Bit cynical

STB. wrote: »

The most important thing THEY DON'T tell you is that each country has different capabilities for dealing with a pandemic and the associated high levels of critical ICU care required (9-11% in Italy).

This is rated in numbers of ICU beds per million. We are one of the lowest rated in Europe.

Italy - 125 per million.

Ireland - 50 per million.

Italy have been triaging from an early stage. Worrying.

Yes. Many factors to take into consideration.

We came a little late to the party but introduced measures relatively early in the outbrake. My hope is that antivirals can be introduced in time which may prevent overloading of the ICU beds.

wakka12

Today is the second day the global total did not grow significantly. It is more than yesterday but the second day to be less than the day before that. 61k worldwide today, 60k yesterday, 67k the day before that

V8 Interceptor

murpho999 wrote: »

I think the government has been good to listen to the scientists on this and pretty much followed their advice.

I'd love to hear what Scientists, observing a highly contagious and potentially deadly disease break out in Europe, told the Government to keep flying all and sundry in from these very places as usual.

tikkahunter

V8 Interceptor wrote: »

You've never given me one satisfactory answer.

Why weren't our borders closed other than to bring citizens home 6 weeks ago?

How many cases have been caused by not closing them ? The Irish themselves have caused the clusters , people returning from skying holidays, which included nurses and doctors. The government know where the majority of cases in this country have stemmed from and it’s from Irish citizens themselves coming back from infected areas.

STB.

V8 Interceptor wrote: »

Again you're missing the point. Weeks after the decision should've been taken and well into the virus getting in amongst our population, an expert in this field says that perhaps we should close the borders!

Don't you get it!!!

When we look back at this, there will be several who won't come out of this very well and certainly not as good as twitter bots and pro government forum accounts would have you believe. I like a good speech as much as the next man, actions speak stronger though.

Here's one for example.

Speakerboxx wrote: »

People do like drama and scaremongering. None of what they are saying is almost true. The curve is flattening cases and deaths will get lower and Ireland will be back again.

We all knew the limits of our healthcare system through decades of political parties refusing to fix it.

There have been several stumbling points and missed opportunities both at planning and procurement level and the knock on that has had on testing and isolation, and containment. The fact that we are an island, we had ample opportunities to close off on essential traffic in and out.

The next month is going to be very difficult.

LaFuton

u think we're being told anything about this apart from put the bandage on? God bless u

Mervyn Skidmore

V8 Interceptor wrote: »

I'd love to hear what Scientists, observing a highly contagious and potentially deadly disease break out in Europe, told the Government to keep flying all and sundry in from these very places as usual.

Still waiting on your "close the borders" plan.

Strazdas

A potentially encouraging piece of research from University College London :

The coronavirus outbreak could be stifled by warm English May weather, a new study from UCL has indicated.

Researchers found that infections from three common coronaviruses followed a seasonal pattern in England, with large numbers occurring during winter and at roughly the same time as influenza.

Cases peaked in February but only small amounts of the virus were transmitted in the summer months, with infections dropping rapidly from May and not ramping up again until the end of the year.

Kermit.de.frog

913 new deaths in Spain, 7,846 new cases

Jinglejangle69

V8 Interceptor wrote: »

I'd love to hear what Scientists, observing a highly contagious and potentially deadly disease break out in Europe, told the Government to keep flying all and sundry in from these very places as usual.

Let us know when you hear the answer.

Galway20188

Anyone received payment yet? Bank of Ireland

Quantum Erasure

murpho999 wrote: »

Yes, due to EU freedom of movement regulatoins..

so how did Germany close its borders two weeks ago?

nocoverart

Strazdas wrote: »

A potentially encouraging piece of research from University College London :

The coronavirus outbreak could be stifled by warm English May weather, a new study from UCL has indicated.

Researchers found that infections from three common coronaviruses followed a seasonal pattern in England, with large numbers occurring during winter and at roughly the same time as influenza.

Cases peaked in February but only small amounts of the virus were transmitted in the summer months, with infections dropping rapidly from May and not ramping up again until the end of the year.

I thought Scientists debunked the warm weather thing with absolute certainty.

gozunda

Speakerboxx wrote: »

People do like drama and scaremongering. None of what they are saying is almost true. The curve is flattening cases and deaths will get lower and Ireland will be back again.

I'll have whatever you're on :pac:

Jinglejangle69

Quantum Erasure wrote: »

so how did Germany close its borders two weeks ago?

They didn't stop incoming flights.

Natives trying to get home.

Should we leave them rot in another country?

JP Liz V1

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

913 new deaths in Spain, 7,846 new cases

Has Spain over taken China?

Quantum Erasure

tikkahunter wrote: »

How many cases have been caused by not closing them ? The Irish themselves have caused the clusters , people returning from skying holidays, which included nurses and doctors. The government know where the majority of cases in this country have stemmed from....

I think the majority at this stage are from 'community transmission' ...

V8 Interceptor

murpho999 wrote: »

Yes, due to EU freedom of movement regulatoins.

Incorrect. You're allowed close your borders in an emergency. A number of EU Countries have done just that.

murpho999 wrote: »

Also, who are these thousands of Italians?

Do you know how many flights we've had from Italy since the outbreak?

For starters there would've been hundreds who came over for the cancelled match having already booked flights, hotels etc.

murpho999 wrote: »

Can you not accept that it's more likely brought to this country by the thousands of Irish coming back, most likely from ski trips.

Not more likely. As likely. Those Irish who came back were told to self isolate and anyone who tested positive had those who came into contact with them contacted and they themselves told to self isolate.

Meanwhile we were still bringing in loads of Italians who would've spread the virus rapidly throughout Dublin. There were a number of confirmed cases in this regard.

Quantum Erasure

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

Has Spain over taken China?

6,500 more cases, over twice the death figures

murpho999

V8 Interceptor wrote: »

Erm that's my point. Why has this genius only arrived at this conclusion two days ago?

Because there's questions of timings and looking at the data and how numbers are going.

I'm sure he knows more about it than you.

There's no way any country was going to stop flights in February. None. Italy's first death was on February 21st.
How could you expect Ireland or any other country to ban flights and close borders at that stage?
Why would the professor you quote call for it then either.

The spread that happened was not as predictable as you make out and nobody back then not even you could predict it with any certainty.

Bit cynical

Quantum Erasure wrote: »

so how did Germany close its borders two weeks ago?

They also banned export of medical equipment and gear in the early stages although this is now lifted.

V8 Interceptor

Mervyn Skidmore wrote: »

Still waiting on your "close the borders" plan.

Still waiting on what YOU think on this issue?

Jinglejangle69

V8 Interceptor wrote: »

Incorrect. You're allowed close your borders in an emergency. A number of EU Countries have done just that.


Do you know how many flights we've had from Italy since the outbreak?

For starters there would've been hundreds who came over for the cancelled match having already booked flights, hotels etc.


Not more likely. As likely. Those Irish who came back were told to self isolate and anyone who tested positive had those who came into contact with them contacted and they themselves told to self isolate.

Meanwhile we were still bringing in loads of Italians who would've spread the virus rapidly throughout Dublin. There were a number of confirmed cases in this regard.

I'm sorry but your timeline is all over the place here.

bekker

murpho999 wrote: »

Yes, due to EU freedom of movement regulatoins.

Also, who are these thousands of Italians?

Can you not accept that it's more likely brought to this country by the thousands of Irish coming back, most likely from ski trips.

Yes, due to EU freedom of movement regulatoins.

Incorrect, health and security are not EU competencies, even allowed to exclude under Schengen.

Muahahaha

YFlyer wrote: »

Barrel of Egyptian oil down to $10. Don't know if at similar API to West Texas or Brent.

Where did you see that, Tesco or Dunnes?

gozunda

tikkahunter wrote: »

How many cases have been caused by not closing them ? The Irish themselves have caused the clusters , people returning from skying holidays, which included nurses and doctors. The government know where the majority of cases in this country have stemmed from and it’s from Irish citizens themselves coming back from infected areas.

If we had acted early enough - we wouldnt had even more of our own homegrown eejits jetting off on holiday simply because they could.

And even quarentining the returning gob****es who had decided to head off in the midst of a global epidemic

But sure we weren't allowed to close boarders according to our EU masters - even whilst they were closing theirs off

You couldnt making it up tbh ...

Strazdas

nocoverart wrote: »

I thought Scientists debunked the warm weather thing with absolute certainty.

There could be other factors at play, such as British people's immune systems being massively boosted by long hours of sunshine in summer.

Simply looking at it and saying 'Covid is found in warm countries' may be missing the point. A lot of such places, especially nearer to the equator, are warm and sunny all year round and you might not see the dramatic winter / summer effect you find in the UK and Ireland.

Mervyn Skidmore

V8 Interceptor wrote: »

Still waiting on what YOU think on this issue?

Stop trying to deflect. Give us your plans for "closing the border". It's a simple question. You can't constantly call for something and have no rational.

signostic

Strazdas wrote: »

A potentially encouraging piece of research from University College London :

The coronavirus outbreak could be stifled by warm English May weather, a new study from UCL has indicated.

Researchers found that infections from three common coronaviruses followed a seasonal pattern in England, with large numbers occurring during winter and at roughly the same time as influenza.

Cases peaked in February but only small amounts of the virus were transmitted in the summer months, with infections dropping rapidly from May and not ramping up again until the end of the year.

Over 5000 cases in Florida and the temp today is 25 degress C.

Jinglejangle69

Mervyn Skidmore wrote: »

Stop trying to deflect. Give us your plans for "closing the border". It's a simple question. You can't constantly call for something and have no rational.

Lockdown!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

bekker

gozunda wrote: »

If we had acted early enough - we wouldnt had even more of our own homegrown eejits jetting off on holiday simply because they could.

And even quarentining the returning gob****es who had decided to head off in the midst of a global epidemic

But sure we weren't allowed to close boarders according to our EU masters - even whilst they were closing theirs off

You couldnt making it up tbh ...

For hopefully the final time.


Incorrect, health and security are not EU competencies, even allowed to exclude under Schengen.

Sofiztikated

boardise wrote: »

Since this is a busy thread I'll chance this request .
Does anyone know why it's almost impossible to get grapefruit ? I didn't think it was rated among the more popular fruits yet my local Tesco is constantly out of it .
Do people think it wards off the dreaded virus (lol) or what's the story ?

I dunno, but a lot of people don't know that grapefruit can negatively impact a lot of medication.

V8 Interceptor wrote: »

Erm that's my point. Why has this genius only arrived at this conclusion two days ago?

Extra.ie reported on this 2 days ago. Not that this genius only arrived at it 2 days ago.

Christ, some people have been banging on about closing borders for years, for various different reasons.

WHO classed this as a pandemic 21 days ago. You want the border closed 6 weeks ago? Why not 8? Why not 24?

It's all very well saying "Close the borders!!!!one!1!!111!!" but the people that actually have to deal with this generally have a lot more to weight up than you deciding to open a car window or not.

Quantum Erasure

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Lockdown!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

you can't just say 'lockdown' and expect anything to happen...

Roger_007

Strazdas wrote: »

A potentially encouraging piece of research from University College London :

The coronavirus outbreak could be stifled by warm English May weather, a new study from UCL has indicated.

Researchers found that infections from three common coronaviruses followed a seasonal pattern in England, with large numbers occurring during winter and at roughly the same time as influenza.

Cases peaked in February but only small amounts of the virus were transmitted in the summer months, with infections dropping rapidly from May and not ramping up again until the end of the year.

I don’t think they needed to do much research. It’s long been known that viruses don’t survive or transmit as well in warm bright weather. The don’t like UV light. That’s why seasonal flu is seasonal. It could be that Covid will follow that pattern, we just don’t know yet as it’s a new virus. The danger is that if everyone is cooped up in their homes we may not get the benefit of the warm sunshine.

murpho999

V8 Interceptor wrote: »

Incorrect. You're allowed close your borders in an emergency. A number of EU Countries have done just that.


Do you know how many flights we've had from Italy since the outbreak?

For starters there would've been hundreds who came over for the cancelled match having already booked flights, hotels etc.

Then it has to be decalred an emergency? How do Irish people get home then.

Not more likely. As likely. Those Irish who came back were told to self isolate and anyone who tested positive had those who came into contact with them contacted and they themselves told to self isolate.

Meanwhile we were still bringing in loads of Italians who would've spread the virus rapidly throughout Dublin. There were a number of confirmed cases in this regard.

Ah the Italians that came for the Rugby. How many actually did? Also how many came from the hot zone of North Italy.

if the Irish were told to self-isolate then why wouldn't the Italians have been?
How do you know there were confirmed cases in regard to Italian's spreading the virus rapidly in Dublin?

The virus was mostly brought in by the Irish, who probably ignored self-isolation requests and it's now in the community and that's where the focus should be.

Going on about flights that are now empty is just achieving nothing.

wotzgoingon

I wasn't following up on this but when did so many die. Last time I checked 6 died.

STB.

V8 Interceptor wrote: »

Still waiting on what YOU think on this issue?

You will lose your mind responding to pro government forum accounts.

Its quite prolific at this stage.

Strazdas

signostic wrote: »

Over 5000 cases in Florida and the temp today is 25 degress C.

Check out my reply above : a country that is warm and sunny all year round is unlikely to see 'seasonal' changes in a corona type virus i.e. it's not the warm weather per se that kills the virus, but the seasonal change in temperature and how it impacts on the immune system.