CoVid19 Part XII - 4,604 in ROI (137 deaths) 998 in NI (56 deaths)(04/04) **Read OP**

Tacitus Kilgore

AllGunsBlazing wrote: »

I shudder to think what some household electricity bills will look like by end of April. Especially homes with lots of kids where the telly and game consoles will be running from the moment they wake up.

TVs and game consoles, consumer electronics generally are pretty low wattage, I wouldn't be concerned about those, maybe increased use of elec. showers, kettles & cookers for some people alright.

is_that_so

Tacitus Kilgore wrote: »

You would, unfortunately the reality is that they're up there with The Liberal.ie in terms of integrity with some of the scutter they put out.

One or two journalists look as if they are becoming increasingly vexed with the CMO's refusal to give up private data.

Be right back

Busi_Girl08 wrote: »

I would say there is about as much chance of Paddy Cosgrave producing a cure for Covid-19 as there is for him to apologise for this, or to stop his BS campaign.

You're probably right. He seems to think that he speaks on behalf of us all, the little people.

Inquitus

Yep you can only do so many taps before you need to input your PIN for security reasons, otherwise someone who stole or found your card could do unlimited tapping fraud, makes sense, obviously a bit of a pain right now, just go to a shop that has proper hand sanitiser at the til and you'll be grand.

An Ciarraioch

13 deaths in Scotland today, 60 overall.

BloodBath

AllGunsBlazing wrote: »

I shudder to think what some household electricity bills will look like by end of April. Especially homes with lots of kids where the telly and game consoles will be running from the moment they wake up.

All relatively low power consumption compared to water boiling, heaters, ovens etc. An average large tv uses only around 50-100w of power. Smaller ones half of that. Game consoles 120-170w under load. Compared to say 2000w of a kettle and 700w of a washing machine.

paulocon2

antodeco wrote: »

Maybe there's a pigeon in the part of the vault where your account is, so they've had to close it for now until they catch it.

Just back on boards after a self-imposed break.. how I've missed it!!

BanditLuke

BanditLuke wrote: »

That is depressing.

That isn’t the number ICU now, I’m going to give up pointing out this constant misreporting at this stage.

branie2

1 death in Lourdes

Rattlehead_ie

Be right back wrote: »

Paddy Cosgrave only caused needless worry and stress to those working on the frontline and also their families. What kind of kicks does he get out of it? Will be interesting to see if he'll apologise.

He won't apologise. He doesnt care about anyone one else except his own self promotion. He doesn't/can't admit that his own F up caused issues across the board at his own exhibition, Instead he used his own position of "fame" or within the media eye to publicly blame other people, including being crass and attack individuals. All while not providing any "real world" potential solutions.

Tacitus Kilgore

is_that_so wrote: »

One or two journalists look as if they are becoming increasingly vexed with the CMO's refusal to give up private data.

They can vex all they want, the CMO has serious integrity -


What do they have? - A proven track record of printing lies.

AllGunsBlazing

BloodBath wrote: »

All relatively low power consumption compared to water boiling, heaters, ovens etc. An average large tv uses only around 50-100w of power. Smaller ones half of that. Game consoles 120-170w under load. Compared to say 2000w of a kettle and 700w of a washing machine.

What would a microwave's consumption be like compared to a kettle?

billybonkers

HSE saying no nurses have died from Covid19

https://twitter.com/HSELive/status/1244942663142563841

BloodBath

AllGunsBlazing wrote: »

What would a microwave's consumption be like compared to a kettle?

Usually says it on the microwave itself. Around 800-1200 watts.

Pretty much anything that heats anything fast like kettles, microwaves, ovens, water boilers, washing machines, dryers, heaters are the main power consuming items in a home.

Modern lights, tv's, tablets, phones, consoles etc are very low in comparison.

wakka12

Crazy how bad Spain is getting, doesnt look like itll be peaking for another while. It will have more cases than Italy by tomorrow and probably more deaths in about 72 hours

Jim_Hodge

Tanner Cold Needlepoint wrote: »

That isn’t the number ICU now, I’m going to give up pointing out this constant misreporting at this stage.

This has been made very clear. Dr Catherine Motherway warned that ICUs in Dublin are under significant pressure with 107 patients currently on ventilators while there are another 26 patients, with suspected coronavirus, in ICU beds.

Where's the misreporting there?

nacho libre

So the numbers given of those in ICU due to the virus is not actually the current number, but the total since this crisis started? Is that correct?

Deeper Blue

nacho libre wrote: »

So the numbers given of those in ICU due to the virus is not actually the current number, but the total since this crisis started? Is that correct?

I believe it's the current number

SharpshooterTom

wakka12 wrote: »

Crazy how bad Spain is getting, doesnt look like itll be peaking for another while. It will have more cases than Italy by tomorrow and probably more deaths in about 72 hours

How do you assume that? Italy's still about 3,500 ahead, Spain and Italy are adding close to the same numbers at the moment.

kilkenny31

D.Q wrote: »

It's very clear certain posters in this thread don't venture outside too often themselves. Too busy monitoring their neighbours and curtain twitching.

They're in their element now. This is what they've been training for all this time.

Exactly and I truly believe that the further measures announce last Friday were as a result of these people putting pressure on government. We were doing OK with the measures that were in place. If you read back on the posts by some people last week they were assuring people that infections would go through the roof becuse too many people went out for a walk on a sunny spring day.

Deeper Blue

On Paddy Cosgrave, surely people shouldn't be surprised that someone who started something as pretentious as the web summit is an absolute gob****e

joe_99

nacho libre wrote: »

So the numbers given of those in ICU due to the virus is not actually the current number, but the total since this crisis started? Is that correct?

Report in Irish times now that current number in ICU now is 133.

As an aside, the terminology used by the HSE is confusing. Total Admitted in my eyes does not mean Total Currently in. They need more clarity.

wakka12

Italy has recorded the most deaths in the country in one single month since WW2
https://www.straitstimes.com/world/europe/coronavirus-italy-mourns-11591-who-died-at-end-of-fateful-month

Stheno

joe_99 wrote: »

Report in Irish times now that current number actually in ICU now is 133

wow that would be a day on day increase of 45/88 which would be 51% - I hope that's a typo and they mean 103

wakka12

The benelux region is also now recording a similar number of deaths per capita as Italy and Spain

Nearly 400 deaths there today, it has a population which is about half of that of Spain/Italy

joe_99

Stheno wrote: »

wow that would be a day on day increase of 45/88 which would be 51% - I hope that's a typo and they mean 103

They broke it down. 107 on ventilators. 26 others also in intensive care.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/coronavirus-133-patients-in-intensive-care-as-pressure-on-hospitals-builds-1.4216780

pjohnson

Stheno wrote: »

wow that would be a day on day increase of 45/88 which would be 51% - I hope that's a typo and they mean 103

The ICU figure is a mess. It alternates between being "current" and "cumulative" no one seems 100% sure as various sources claim either one interchangeably.

Tea Shock

NDWC wrote: »

On Paddy Cosgrave, surely people shouldn't be surprised that someone who started something as pretentious as the web summit is an absolute gob****e

Not only that, didn't he want the government to effectively close down Dublin for everything else but his web summit when it was on - threatening to move to Lisbon!

TheValeyard

billybonkers wrote: »

HSE saying no nurses have died from Covid19

https://twitter.com/HSELive/status/1244942663142563841

Good. Go fcuk yourself Paddy.

Quantum Erasure

Total cases worldwide over 800,000 now, according to worldometers.info

YFlyer

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

Every so often you have to do a PIN transaction, it’s to stop fraud on your card and someone else using it.

Re: AIB card

I have the same problem. Thought it was due to the card chip not working.

Nermal

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

Lots of vulnerable elderly live with children & grandchildren. How in practice could they be 'quarantined' in a watertight way while the rest of the household was going about their business and likely picking up the virus?

Separate them. Ask them to follow the self-isolation guidelines for shared houses, ask people to move in with relatives, use empty hotels as quarantine facilities.

Of course it won't be 'watertight'. So what?

We should do what's reasonable, not lock everyone up because we can't isolate the vulnerable perfectly.

ITman88

wakka12 wrote: »

Italy has recorded the most deaths in the country in one single month since WW2
https://www.straitstimes.com/world/europe/coronavirus-italy-mourns-11591-who-died-at-end-of-fateful-month

Misleading headline.

An average month in Italy sees 45000 die.

It’s the most deaths attributed to a single factor, 11000 to the virus.

wadacrack

Looking at how other countries with smaller populations in Europe have handled this , emphasis the fact that we have done a terrible job at this. Death and ICU numbers are way higher than countries of our size and some with over 10m population. They all closed flights much sooner than we did.

Seamai

pjohnson wrote: »

The ICU figure is a mess. It alternates between being "current" and "cumulative" no one seems 100% sure as various sources claim either one interchangeably.

Surely "current" is what is important?

Gods Gift

AIB

Always In Bother.

nacho libre

pjohnson wrote: »

The ICU figure is a mess. It alternates between being "current" and "cumulative" no one seems 100% sure as various sources claim either one interchangeably.

Is this being done deliberately?
I mean is there politics at play here? Why can't it being plainly stated how many of the ICU beds are currently being used by patient with the virus. Are they afraid the public will start to panic if the 133 figure is the actual current total?

wakka12

Really so sad about a girl as young as 12 dying. But its important not to sensationalise it until at least her health status is known, its not known whether she had underlying condition. Somebody with for example serious immunocompromisation will be as vulnerable to covid whether they are aged 12 or 65

is_that_so

Lockdowns in Italy and Spain are starting to get to people - that 4 week limit, which has been mentioned in our own briefings.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/tempers-fray-as-coronavirus-lockdown-fatigue-hits-italy-and-spain-1.4216812

RebelButtMunch

pjohnson wrote: »

The ICU figure is a mess. It alternates between being "current" and "cumulative" no one seems 100% sure as various sources claim either one interchangeably.

I don't think the official channels have used the word cumulative. That only exists on boards.

IspeakcozIcan

billybonkers wrote: »

HSE saying no nurses have died from Covid19

https://twitter.com/HSELive/status/1244942663142563841

But this article says a healthcare worker died and refers to them as a nurse in the East of the country.... was that report incorrect?

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/coronavirus-healthcare-worker-in-republic-dies-after-contracting-virus-1.4213892?mode=amp

is_that_so

IspeakcozIcan wrote: »

Put this article says a healthcare worker died and refers to them as a nurse in the East of the country.... was that report incorrect?

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/coronavirus-healthcare-worker-in-republic-dies-after-contracting-virus-1.4213892?mode=amp

Irish Times has learned from sources, clearly not the HSE!

pjohnson

RebelButtMunch wrote: »

I don't think the official channels have used the word cumulative. That only exists on boards.

Well they said "total admitted since the start" at one point.

Ulysses Gaze

wakka12 wrote: »

The benelux region is also now recording a similar number of deaths per capita as Italy and Spain

Nearly 400 deaths there today, it has a population which is about half of that of Spain/Italy

Rutte and co went down the Herd Immunity path and it is going to bite them royally on the ass.

Jim_Hodge

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

This has been made very clear. Dr Catherine Motherway warned that ICUs in Dublin are under significant pressure with 107 patients currently on ventilators while there are another 26 patients, with suspected coronavirus, in ICU beds.

Where's the misreporting there?

She is either purposely or accidentally misrepresenting the figures. The hse just confimed that a total since the start of 103 patients have been admitted to ICU since the beginning of the outbreak. This simply does not tally with the occasional claims of these numbers being current.

wakka12

UAE has tested 300,000 people out of it's population of 9.1 million. I assume that is the highest level per capita in the world. It has just 600 cases, so coronvairus is clearly not at widespread pandemic levels in all regions on earth

Ha this is a lovely little thing


https://twitter.com/SmithsonianChan/status/1244602381834297344

beolight

tobefrank321 wrote: »

Good post.

I did not know that about visitors being allowed back in. This is worrying if true. It was asking for trouble. If that was the cause of the nursing home clusters, its scandalous. I hope its not true though. The chances of a public report on it are slim.

The handling of nursing homes was just one of a catalog of errors made by the government and HSE, whose incompetence help spread this far and wide here. Remember the advice that you didn't need to isolate after returning from Italy unless you displayed symptoms? That caused a doctor returned from Italy to do a hospital shift and other work. Complete incompetence.

The fact that Paul Reid came out of his own cocoon to address this issue in a press briefing clearly indicates that he had to field a lot of angry calls from the individual CEO’s of hospitals/ state run Nursing homes/ residential institutes questioning the wisdom of our CMO.

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0307/1120765-coronavirus/

Hector Savage

is_that_so wrote: »

Lockdowns in Italy and Spain are starting to get to people - that 4 week limit, which has been mentioned in our own briefings.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/tempers-fray-as-coronavirus-lockdown-fatigue-hits-italy-and-spain-1.4216812

Can you imagine it in July ? with 35C heat outside and trying to keep people away from the beaches ?

Not to mention next summer 2021 ....

f*cking sh!tshow, the whole thing ...

Wibbs

is_that_so wrote: »

Lockdowns in Italy and Spain are starting to get to people - that 4 week limit, which has been mentioned in our own briefings.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/tempers-fray-as-coronavirus-lockdown-fatigue-hits-italy-and-spain-1.4216812

I strongly suspect we'll not see similar here ITS, or it'll be isolated cases. For a few reasons. I know it's a bit of a stereotype, but we're generally not as "hot headed" as some cultures and we tend to be more compliant socially and with regard to the authorities and there's the "shure it'll be grand like" factor here.

Secondly our population density and type of average housing that will be yet another factor in lessening both the spread and community psychology. Being cooped up in an apartment block with a thousand others is a lot harder on the mind than being inside a house with a garden. A family of four or five stuck in a house is tough enough, but the same setup in a generally much smaller apartment is much tougher. Having being "on the ground" in such places down the years, the culture is a much more outside where we live focused one than Ireland's. We're more house and indoors focused. Even our climate might come into it too. Baking hot summers are harder to stay in for and tempers can fray.

Even how we get around could make a difference. In high living density areas people are more likely to walk and use public transport, the latter being a much bigger contagion risk than Ireland where we tend to drive ourselves more.