CoVid19 Part XII - 4,604 in ROI (137 deaths) 998 in NI (56 deaths)(04/04) **Read OP**

BloodBath

bekker wrote: »

World-wide COVID-19 deaths/resolved = 32582/197148 = 16.53%.

Lovely charts and graphs as usual.
guardian.co.uk, based on John Hopkins University 30th March

Usual caveats,
confirmed < > infected
confirmed totally inconsistent metric across countries and time
confirmed deaths from COVID-19 <> total deaths attributable to COVID-19

A pretty meaningless figure when most recoveries are not tested with no estimate of unconfirmed cases.

The actual death rate is being estimated to be between 0.6% and 0.7% at the moment putting it at 6-7 times deadlier than the flu.

wakka12

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Because many of them are already immunocompromised due to their injuries/conditions. Plus a hospitals are hotspots due to healthcare workers being much more exposed to the virus.

Thats true, youre right. Yeh by no means a guarantee but there is definitely a hint there that it is quite widespread if you have that many randomers testing positive

auspicious

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Good point. Also Ireland has one of the highest rates of hypertension (high blood pressure) in the western world. 1 in 4 may have it either known or unknown. Its a risk factor for getting a more severe dose of CV than normal. A lot of people unfortunately can't assume that "I'll be grand, it won't affect me much".

There is scientific data out there that suggests some diets available to us are better at reducing blood pressure and diabetes and heart disease risk than others.

EDit

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

On this, age itself is an underlying condition in a way (diminished immune system). I like to see the ages of people succumbing without an underlying condition. I’d be amazed if they aren’t mostly elderly.

The other thing to note is that every time I have seen an article about a young “healthy” person dying, the accompanying photo is of someone who would be considered big (as in overweight or obese). It might not be listed as an “underlying condition” but I would expect obesity to increase your odds of a poor prognosis with any respiratory condition

Steve F

Shelly66 wrote: »

Parents act responsibly please for sake of your kids. Just walked dog along Fairview and park full of people. Ok if doing your daily walk but there are families with kids at skateboard area bikes skateboards all playing, touching railings etc on it . Others in groups playing basketball. Can they not cop on too the new restrictions and how important it is for everyone to play their part

Some are still treating it as Holidays.

More restrictions on the way.......?

tobefrank321

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

It’s not GDPR. It’s medical confidentiality which has been around a lot longer.

It doesn't matter. The job of gardai is to protect the community. It actually doesn't matter who oversees this as long as someone does it, gardai, HSE, etc

If there is someone going around a community having knowingly tested positive for covid19, there has to be consequences, otherwise we will never get a handle on this.

Multipass

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

On this, age itself is an underlying condition in a way (diminished immune system). I like to see the ages of people succumbing without an underlying condition. I’d be amazed if they aren’t mostly elderly.

Mostly, but by no means all 😥
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-52041709

enda1

A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »

The breakdown across the UK

Interesting difference between Scotland and Wales considering Scotland has about a 75% higher population but a similar number of casualties. For sure there are demographic, societal and density difference that will have their effect, but I just wonder also how much of an effect there has been from Scotland's quicker reaction and closure initiation of closures (schools etc.) compared to the rest of Britain.

boardise

Strazdas wrote: »

Totally.....that would knock supermarkets, post offices, public transport, Garda checkpoints and everything else out of the equation.

If that's actually true about 8 metres space needed -we 'll all have to take our chances ...get it or not ,survive it or not.
Trying to accommodate that would make life hardly worth living or even unliveable. Que sera sera etc.

wakka12

Multipass wrote: »

Mostly, but by no means all 😥
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-52041709

Was not confirmed by medical staff, they believe she went into cardiac arrest for unrelated reasons. It was just the family who claimed she died from COVID 19, I think because she was ill with a cough/flu symptoms earlier in the week. Anyway, the woman has not tested positive (yet at least) for COVID.

spookwoman

https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1245000124989874181?s=20

enda1

enda1 wrote: »

Interesting difference between Scotland and Wales considering Scotland has about a 75% higher population but a similar number of casualties. For sure there are demographic, societal and density difference that will have their effect, but I just wonder also how much of an effect there has been from Scotland's quicker reaction and closure initiation of closures (schools etc.) compared to the rest of Britain.

Scotland didn’t do anything different to the rest of the UK.

South Wales has a direct fast rail link to London, so there would be a lot more people travelling to and from that area, which is probably how the virus spread so quickly there.

gabeeg

BloodBath wrote: »

A pretty meaningless figure when most recoveries are not tested with no estimate of unconfirmed cases.

The actual death rate is being estimated to be between 0.6% and 0.7% at the moment putting it at 6-7 times deadlier than the flu.

How do you define the "actual" death rate?

The rate of death if let go unmitigated and untreated?

Shelly66

Steve F wrote: »

Some are still treating it as Holidays.

More restrictions on the way.......?

That’s exactly what husband said , we may end up like other countries no going out for walks or excercise

Harry Palmr

caveat emptor wrote: »

So we have a three body problem.

• paddy C
• HSE
• irish times

HSE say no deaths
https://twitter.com/HSELive/status/1244942663142563841?s=20
Irish Times have report on one last Friday.
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/coronavirus-healthcare-worker-in-republic-dies-after-contracting-virus-1.4213892
Paddy C (aka devil) said there were four.


1, 2 or all 3 are lying / misinformed.
HSE wording seems suspect.
I wouldn't think a newspaper would getting something so inflammatory wrong.

Who knows.

#notpaddy
#comebackstronger

This lot are not a fan of the HSE or the minister so I'll believe them

https://twitter.com/INMO_IRL/status/1244946730375929856

bodhrandude

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

Unless you have a fumehood or bunsen burner, you can’t keep things aseptic. If you thoroughly clean your hands entering the house, normal house cleanliness should be just fine.

Rather than washing and rewashing your hands why not just use the Milton spray and spray the press and and other stuff and then you don't have to wash your hands as much.

Seamai

Seamai wrote: »

If a person is on medication to keep their blood pressure under control does this lower their risk?

I obviously couldn't give you a definitive answer on this as I'm not a medical professional myself. However there is an observation over on the 'ask an HSE professional' FAQ thread:

Yes but I would expect that well-controlled high blood pressure is less risky than poorly controlled high blood pressure. With that said even with well-controlled high blood pressure I would consider myself to be in a high risk group.

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=112891577&postcount=25

Gynoid

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

I'm fed up trying to prepare my food in an aseptic manner. Opening fridge, wash hands, open press, wash hands, get plate and cutlery, wash hands.

You dont have to do that. Your home is fine. Just be careful with the things you are bringing in. Leave what you can outside in car, or shed, or back hall to "settle" after shopping, for a few days, wipe what you have to bring in immediately with a cloth soaked in something that sterilises. But once you are in and shoes off at front door your home is your sanctuary.

tobefrank321

There's no need for new restrictions if existing restrictions are implemented properly and those who break them are fined.

stephenjmcd

Steve F wrote: »

Bloody Marvelous

It can and will be defeated

Excellent, another 2 weeks of lockdown should really have that hopefully into manageable numbers.

Hrududu

Shelly66 wrote: »

Parents act responsibly please for sake of your kids. Just walked dog along Fairview and park full of people. Ok if doing your daily walk but there are families with kids at skateboard area bikes skateboards all playing, touching railings etc on it . Others in groups playing basketball. Can they not cop on too the new restrictions and how important it is for everyone to play their part

Also, every flippin' kid in Dublin is on a scooter. Walking to the shop at the moment is either completely empty streets a la 28 days later, or a family of five spread out across the path, each child careening in a different direction on a scooter.

Dodging out of the way is keeping my fitness up though, so theres that.

Kermit.de.frog

https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1245001271398010880

They are England's figures. It's actually 393 new deaths.

bekker

josip wrote: »

I've a balaclava.

ARU checkpoint, your COVID-19 problems cease...

Kermit.de.frog

Shelly66

Hrududu wrote: »

Also, every flippin' kid in Dublin is on a scooter. Walking to the shop at the moment is either completely empty streets a la 28 days later, or a family of five spread out across the path, each child careening in a different direction on a scooter.

Dodging out of the way is keeping my fitness up though, so theres that.

Was saying to neighbor today we should be walking different sides of road similar to way traffic flows ie keep to left path this avoids having to move onto road to avoid someone least ppl heading same direction. Same rule applies on a one way street . I think it would help if they brought in a rule of guidance like that

auspicious

auspicious wrote: »

There is scientific data out there that suggests some diets available to us are better at reducing blood pressure and diabetes and heart disease risk than others.

Plus exercise, which unfortunately is curtailed at the moment if you want to do it outside, and may become impossible if restrictions are tightened further.

RugbyLad11

It is only gonna get worst...risk of suicide rising amid global Covid-19 lockdown

https://www.nst.com.my/world/world/2020/03/578972/risk-suicide-rising-amid-global-covid-19-lockdown

silverharp

RugbyLad11 wrote: »

It is only gonna get worst...risk of suicide rising amid global Covid-19 lockdown

https://www.nst.com.my/world/world/2020/03/578972/risk-suicide-rising-amid-global-covid-19-lockdown

with somewhere like the US road fatalities will be down etc. and shootings .

yourdeadwright

RugbyLad11 wrote: »

It is only gonna get worst...risk of suicide rising amid global Covid-19 lockdown

https://www.nst.com.my/world/world/2020/03/578972/risk-suicide-rising-amid-global-covid-19-lockdown

Madly enough in the past during times of war , famine, outbreaks, suicide has dropped ,
A lot of issues that lead to thinking of suicide are immaterial or the worry about judgement by others is society for your self perceived failings ,Could be failing yourself or family or whatever ,But in time of real struggle the immaterial becomes a less of a worry and no one has time to judge others because everyone is in the same boat of just trying to survive .

Now it could be different in these times, due to social media and the likes still being available, but generally suicide rates drop

An Ciarraioch

Aegir wrote: »

Scotland didn’t do anything different to the rest of the UK.

South Wales has a direct fast rail link to London, so there would be a lot more people travelling to and from that area, which is probably how the virus spread so quickly there.

Also, Wales apparently has a significantly older population than either Scotland or England.

bilston

Harry Palmr wrote: »

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How far is the UK estimated to be from the likely peak? Same as us or earlier?

They reckon the week after Easter I think, W/C 13th April so about two weeks, but probably another two weeks beyond that before things start improving.

BorneTobyWilde

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

I'm fed up trying to prepare my food in an aseptic manner. Opening fridge, wash hands, open press, wash hands, get plate and cutlery, wash hands.

But if no one else in house, or no one else other than who is there already then you would not need to. They're your germs, enjoy them.

Kermit.de.frog

Ireland needs this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRDNrk1iwFs

Naggdefy

Way too much talk here about a randomer Paddy Cosgrave on twitter.

Most of the country don't know who he is or give fcuks about a lad that looks like Brendan O'Connor dressed up like Fr. Brian singing Who's in the House from 20 years ago.

auspicious

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Plus exercise, which unfortunately is curtailed at the moment if you want to do it outside, and may become impossible if restrictions are tightened further.

That's it. Exercise can be limited for many so diet is really something to concentrate on. Sort out your salt and sugar intake, high cholesterol foods intake etc before Autumn if this graph ( posted by DeVore ) remains accurate.

stephenjmcd

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

I'm fed up trying to prepare my food in an aseptic manner. Opening fridge, wash hands, open press, wash hands, get plate and cutlery, wash hands.

Why ? If your in your own house theres absolutely no need to be doing this.

All you need to do is wash your hands regularly especially after coming in from outside. But you dont need to wash them each time you touch something in the house, just pointless

Gynoid

Gynoid wrote: »

You dont have to do that. Your home is fine. Just be careful with the things you are bringing in. Leave what you can outside in car, or shed, or back hall to "settle" after shopping, for a few days, wipe what you have to bring in immediately with a cloth soaked in something that sterilises. But once you are in and shoes off at front door your home is your sanctuary.

I use a small pliers to pick up stuff. Also have a pair of scissors to cut open packaging etc while holding it with the pliers to lessen the chance of having to handle packaging directly when trying to access whats inside.

Reati

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Why ? If your in your own house theres absolutely no need to be doing this.

All you need to do is wash your hands regularly especially after coming in from outside. But you dont need to wash them each time you touch something in the house, just pointless

Think it was in Irish independent or something to do this if shopping was contaminated as protection

tobefrank321

Shelly66 wrote: »

That’s exactly what husband said , we may end up like other countries no going out for walks or excercise

They can introduce all the restrictions they want, but there's no enforcement of existing ones and there won't be of new ones.

Our government will always go for punishing those who abide by the rules over punishing those who don't.

Its always a small minority of idiots who make life difficult for everyone. Its probably the same "rebels" who flew to Italy and back, then went to Cheltenham, then headed en masse to the pubs and are now out there flouting the 2km rule. You know the kind of people who can't sit still for a minute.

weisses

Deleted User wrote: »

I use a small pliers to pick up stuff. Also have a pair of scissors to cut open packaging etc while holding it with the pliers to lessen the chance of having to handle packaging directly when trying to access whats inside.

you will do miracles with a pack of condoms

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts

cnocbui wrote: »

I would add to that, wipe down your shopping before putting it away and then wash your hands one final time, then life as normal.

Yeah, true. Wash the hands, disinfect anything you can that has entered the house and anything you touched before getting to the sink to wash your hands, then relax and practice normal good hygiene.

Seamai

Snow Garden wrote: »

India handling this very badly.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/30/india-wracked-by-greatest-exodus-since-partition-due-to-coronavirus

Saw a news clip earlier of hundreds of people being hosed down with a bleach solution, they don't stand a chance unless maybe with everything they're exposed to on a daily basis their immune systems are a bit more resilient.

RebelButtMunch

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

Yeah, true. Wash the hands, disinfect anything you can that has entered the house and anything you touched before getting to the sink to wash your hands, then relax and practice normal good hygiene.

If it helps, my neighbours are doing their grocery wash down routine outside the house. It takes one potential contamination step out of the loop.

kilkenny31

tobefrank321 wrote: »

They can introduce all the restrictions they want, but there's no enforcement of existing ones and there won't be of new ones.

Our government will always go for punishing those who abide the rules over punishing those who don't.

Its always a small minority of idiots who make life difficult for everyone. Its probably the same "rebels" who flew to Italy and back, then went to Cheltenham, then headed en masse to the pubs and are now out there flouting the 2km rule. You know the kind of people who can't sit still for a minute.

This is getting really tiring. The few idiots that are making it difficult for everyone are the people who are looking out their windows waiting for someone to make a mistake so they can come on here and tell everyone about it. We're in a virtual lockdown. Worry about yourself. As a country people are doing great. We will have no further restrictions. I'd imagine in a couple of weeks they will lift some restrictions. We are not Italy or Spain we are Ireland. We live differently to those coutries. We live in semi detached and detached houses. We don't need the same restrictions as them.

Muahahaha

Wild goats marauding through an empty Welsh town

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/video/2020/mar/31/goats-take-over-empty-welsh-streets-llandudno-coronavirus-lockdown-video

Fr_Dougal

tobefrank321 wrote: »

There's no need for new restrictions if existing restrictions are implemented properly and those who break them are fined.

Can you fire up your qualifications to make this statement please, in your own time. Be great to see how they stack up against medical experts.

Thanks.

Urethral Buttercup

Deleted User wrote: »

I use a small pliers to pick up stuff. Also have a pair of scissors to cut open packaging etc while holding it with the pliers to lessen the chance of having to handle packaging directly when trying to access whats inside.

Some of you people are absolutely mental.

bekker

BloodBath wrote: »

A pretty meaningless figure when most recoveries are not tested with no estimate of unconfirmed cases.

The actual death rate is being estimated to be between 0.6% and 0.7% at the moment putting it at 6-7 times deadlier than the flu.

Agreed, but as good as anything else, and more consistent when used on a single countries figure over time. But testing selection criteria can vary over time as evidenced in Ireland.

There is no evidence for COVID-19 yet available, to back a generally agreed death rate which is based on the annual incidence.

Comparison of death rates to those of a virus for which widespread vaccination is available and to which various age cohorts have previous exposure generated immunities are not valid.

'... The proportion of people who have died from the disease varies strikingly from country to country. Researchers warn that there are so many uncertainties — not least over the true number of infections — that it remains almost impossible to draw firm conclusions about the death rate. '

is_that_so

Steve F wrote: »

Some are still treating it as Holidays.

More restrictions on the way.......?

Most people doing most things most of the time has been the CMO mantra. Not seeing that holiday thing personally but anecdotes are not evidence of widespread behaviour. We should see by the end of this week just how well all of it is being observed and working for us.

Hector Savage

The fact that it looks like Wimbledon will be cancelled shows the reality of the length of these shutdowns.

Wimbledon cancellation means still in lockdown in July!!!

Christ....