CoVid19 Part XII - 4,604 in ROI (137 deaths) 998 in NI (56 deaths)(04/04) **Read OP**

frillyleaf

[Deleted User] wrote: »

No choice. Currently living with my mam, who's in the group that have to be cocooned. Sister brings shopping to the house. I just can't let her have a bar of chocolate in a wrapper straight out of a shopping bag.

You are right to be careful. Don’t take risks. I am wiping down my food as before it goes into fridge now to reduce risk to my kids as it’s a new disease. I don’t think it’s nuts at all, it’s just common sense

owlbethere

DOCARCH wrote: »

Just listening to Drivetime on RTE radio. Seems to be pretty serious issues with testing in this country with test centres closing due to faulty test kits/lack of test kits and then big backlog in analysing the tests that are actually carried out.

Fcuking hell. The test kits are faulty.

Just the other day, testing centres closed because they ran out from tests. Now tests are faulty. Are these new tests and did they come in of the flight from china?

Away With The Fairies

Tanner Cold Needlepoint wrote: »

Why are you doing all that? Once in your home should be no need for that sort of thing. Once home I only wash hands as normal (I.e. after toilet, preparing raw meat or if actually dirty).

It would be great if I lived alone but I don't. My housemate came out of their bedroom and into the kitchen, emptied the dishwasher without washing their hands. They presumed they was clean coming out of their bedroom, emptied the dishwasher and touched everything. If they had the virus, they were only transferring it to everything they were taking out and putting away. I'm doing so much cleaning, before, during and after I eat. Cleaning door knobs and presses, and washing hands as well. I've been fairly OCD lately with all this.

Tell me how

paleoperson wrote: »

You can't spread or receive the virus by going on the road in a car or by walking in an area where there is nobody within 100 metres.

Cool. And the fact that everyone has the same idea doesn;t have any impact does it.

The 2Km rule is to enforce the sense of urgency of what is at stake. You packing your car up and heading off for the day encourages other to do the same and somewhat absolve themselves from blame because sure, 'other people are going out'.

Cork Boy 53

citysights wrote: »

I’m busy at home so just jumped in here now to catch up are we having new restrictions anyone know?

Nothing announced at present but that could change in a week or so.

BanditLuke

Christy42 wrote: »

Cases are a decent but below their peak at least. Not good news on the deaths but that figure probably trails the changes in the cases by a week or two?

Yeah probably right. I'd just hoped to see the deaths below 500 or so can't even imagine what's going on over there at present it really is their apocalypse

cajonlardo

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

I think some kind of sport needs to resume in the next few months. Sports are important to a great deal of people and I hate the sanctimony wheeled out by some whenever it’s mentioned. Nobody wants anyone to put in danger but there’s nothing wrong with trying to look at ways to get some sport going again. My own personal jam is the Olympics and as I’m terminally ill, I’m devastated that it’s been postponed for a year. I don’t know if I’ll be around then.

Feck, I don't know what to say to the last bit of your post but I will remember it whenever the Olympics takes place and hope to see you posting. Take care.

BanditLuke

paleoperson wrote: »

You can't spread or receive the virus by going on the road in a car or by walking in an area where there is nobody within 100 metres.

Stop being selfish. The rules are there for a reason right or wrong you aren't above them.

Valhallapt

Norway vs Denmark vs Sweden

Very strong correlation between a severe lockdown in Norway, middle of the road approach in Denmark and a laisse faire approach from the Swedes

yourdeadwright

Tell me how wrote: »

Cool. And the fact that everyone has the same idea doesn;t have any impact does it.

The 2Km rule is to enforce the sense of urgency of what is at stake. You packing your car up and heading off for the day encourages other to do the same and somewhat absolve themselves from blame because sure, 'other people are going out'.

That's the problem , 1 or 2 are just going for a drive, then 3 or 4 are just going for a drive suddenly everyone's just going for a drive,

Then 1 or 2 of them are just getting out of the care to take picture, or to look at something , then everyone is doing it,

Just adhere to the rules the best you can , if there is a park 2.5 k away you like to walk to then do it but don't take the p*ss,

spookwoman

owlbethere wrote: »

How did this happen? We were at 88 ICU the other day - was it yesterday. Now we have the figure of 133 ICU beds taken. We don't have a lot of ICU beds at all in the country. How many ICU beds do we have? Is it about 250? This is dreadful and it's what many of us here on boards were dreading.

I dont know how many beds we have i know they were talking about bringing another 25 on line on the 5th march. varadkar was only saying the other day we are may be at capacity in a few days.

Kermit.de.frog

208 new deaths recorded in New York so far today.

6 in Florida.

paleoperson

Tell me how wrote: »

Cool. And the fact that everyone has the same idea doesn;t have any impact does it.

The 2Km rule is to enforce the sense of urgency of what is at stake. You packing your car up and heading off for the day encourages other to do the same and somewhat absolve themselves from blame because sure, 'other people are going out'.

Let them do the same and absolve themselves, it won't make any difference to the spread of the virus. Besides they don't know where I'm going, for all they know I'm heading off to the groceries.

I think people should concentrate on actual ways they could potentially spread or pick up the virus.

AdamD

Jesus if you read this thread you'd swear nobody was adhering to the rules and guidance in place. Hysterical nonsense. People are doing their part, some just enjoy spreading misery on here.

BanditLuke

BanditLuke wrote: »

I had really hoped to see a big drop but that is heartbreaking.

Fcuk this virus

About the same as yesterday then. It could be that other regions cases are rising to keep up the overall national number. Lombardy's new cases, the original epicentre and hardest hit, are definitely dropping which is a bit of good news.

stephenjmcd

owlbethere wrote: »

Fcuking hell. The test kits are faulty.

Just the other day, testing centres closed because they ran out from tests. Now tests are faulty. Are these new tests and did they come in of the flight from china?

I'd highly doubt they're faulty, they were vetted by gov and are on the WHO supplier list.

If anything I wouldn't put it past being the kits that cosgrave was banging on about being donated by a Chinese businessman, a few other European countries saying the kits are faulty

Cork Boy 53

owlbethere wrote: »

Fcuking hell. The test kits are faulty.

Just the other day, testing centres closed because they ran out from tests. Now tests are faulty. Are these new tests and did they come in of the flight from china?

No. What has arrived and will be arriving from China is PPE equipment (masks, gloves, goggles etc). The testing kits are sourced elsewhere.

bb12

Snow Garden wrote: »

Yeah this is true. I live in the country and my neighbour goes for an 11 mile cycle loop on very quiet country roads.
I think he repeats the loop to get in some mileage. I have zero problem with it. Why?
1. It's none of my business
2. It doesn't risk himself or anyone else

so he's cycling along the lovely country lanes, coughs, splutters or spits and it lands on a field gate. it's the busiest time of the year for farming, so farmer comes along, opens said field gate and voila they are infected.

most farmers work alone so you've just taken a food producer out of circulation and probably risked the lives of many animals as it's right bang in the middle of calving and lambing season right now.

iamwhoiam

AdamD wrote: »

Jesus if you read this thread you'd swear nobody was adhering to the rules and guidance in place. Hysterical nonsense. People are doing their part, some just enjoy spreading misery on here.

Absolutely everyone I know and all around me are doing what is asked of them
The vast majority are being reasonable

paleoperson

bb12 wrote: »

so he's cycling along the lovely country lanes, coughs, splutters or spits and it lands on a field gate. it's the busiest time of the year for farming, so farmer comes along, opens said field gate and voila they are infected.

most farmers work alone so you've just taken a food producer out of circulation and probably risked the lives of many animals as it's right bang in the middle of calving and lambing season right now.

Stop, you are making me laugh. :pac:

jackboy

DOCARCH wrote: »

Just listening to Drivetime on RTE radio. Seems to be pretty serious issues with testing in this country with test centres closing due to faulty test kits/lack of test kits and then big backlog in analysing the tests that are actually carried out.

Very serious. How can we ever ease off the restrictions if we have no accurate way of testing sufficient numbers?

citysights

Worldometers have changed their reporting to include the date of first reported case in each country, unless it was always there and I just hadn’t noticed ( didn’t think it was though)

MD1990

day 23 of Italy's lockdown.
still 800+ deaths. I know there is a lag & it is leveling off.

But very disapointing there is not drop off like in china.

bekker

stephenjmcd wrote: »

What is today's recovered figure?

AFAIK there isn't any available in Ireland.

Seems to be presumed that if you've tested 'Positive' and your're still alive 14 days later, you've 'Recovered'.

No tests being done on people being discharged from hospital, which I got from half-attention to questions at yesterday's briefing.

There was a figure of 5 on John Hopkins virtually from the start but where it came from don't know it hasn't increased though.

Don't understand why no testing on discharge though, see to remember something about two time spaced clear tests before discharge but that was waaay back.

TOMs WIFE

paleoperson wrote: »

You can't spread or receive the virus by going on the road in a car or by walking in an area where there is nobody within 100 metres.

paleoperson wrote: »

Let them do the same and absolve themselves, it won't make any difference to the spread of the virus. Besides they don't know where I'm going, for all they know I'm heading off to the groceries.

I think people should concentrate on actual ways they could potentially spread or pick up the virus.

paleoperson wrote: »

Stop, you are making me laugh. :pac:

Why oh why are there so many knobs that just can't do what the authorities are asking them to do in the interests of us all.

kilkenny31

AdamD wrote: »

Jesus if you read this thread you'd swear nobody was adhering to the rules and guidance in place. Hysterical nonsense. People are doing their part, some just enjoy spreading misery on here.

Exactly. The same people were shouting about people going to the beach a week ago saying that we would be Italy by this week because of it. These people are almost disappointed that we are not . I went to that beach over that weekend and everyone was observing social distancing. Now that nobody is going to the beach they want to complain about their neighbour who walked 2.3km away or the family who walked three abreast so they had to step onto the grass. We are doing a fantastic job as a nation. I'm for the measures put in place. But the original measures were probably enough for Ireland.

otnomart

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

It would be great if I lived alone but I don't. My housemate came out of their bedroom and into the kitchen, emptied the dishwasher without washing their hands. They presumed they was clean coming out of their bedroom, emptied the dishwasher and touched everything. If they had the virus, they were only transferring it to everything they were taking out and putting away. I'm doing so much cleaning, before, during and after I eat. Cleaning door knobs and presses, and washing hands as well. I've been fairly OCD lately with all this.

Sorry to hear about your reckless flatmate.
I raised earlier the issue that (despite Ireland having a low density) Dublin as London as a high percentage of accomodation sharing (compared to other European cities), and it is not easy at all to social distance in a house share.

Nollog

AdamD wrote: »

Jesus if you read this thread you'd swear nobody was adhering to the rules and guidance in place. Hysterical nonsense. People are doing their part, some just enjoy spreading misery on here.

Better than spreading covid

paleoperson

MD1990 wrote: »

day 23 of Italy's lockdown.
still 800+ deaths. I know there is a lag & it is leveling off.

But very disapointing there is not drop off like in china.

It's only leveling off because of the lockdown and the fact that there aren't as many potential new people to infect. It could very well end up that 70% of people end up infected.

This idea that we'll be over the worst of it in two weeks and it'll be plain sailing after that is hocus pocus nonsense.

DOCARCH

jackboy wrote: »

Very serious. How can we ever ease off the restrictions if we have no accurate way of testing sufficient numbers?

Fergal Bowers said this morning that it's the number of hospital and ICU admissions (and deaths) that needs to be focused on (rather than the number of confirmed cases, due to issues with the tests/getting test results).

stephenjmcd

bekker wrote: »

AFAIK there isn't any available in Ireland.

Seems to be presumed that if you've tested 'Positive' and your're still alive 14 days later, you've 'Recovered'.

No tests being done on people being discharged from hospital, which I got from half-attention to questions at yesterday's briefing.

There was a figure of 5 on John Hopkins virtually from the start but where it came from don't know it hasn't increased though.

Don't understand why no testing on discharge though, see to remember something about two time spaced clear tests before discharge but that was waaay back.

No sorry not Ireland I was referring to Italy's numbers.
Sorry should have mentioned Italy.

But yeah we should get given numbers here they're still saying they're working on it

Cork Boy 53

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

208 new deaths recorded in New York so far today.

6 in Florida.

The USA updates its cases twice a day. Is that right?

frillyleaf

Gynoid wrote: »

Prior to stocking fridges and cupboards, shelves should be wiped with sanitiser and a paper towels and as coronavirus can survive on hard surfaces, the outside of all canned/hard surface pack goods should be wiped with a paper towel and warm soapy water,

An alternate option would be to leave non-perishable foods in a safe place for 72 hours. Remove outer food packaging and discard, being careful to limit handling of the inner packaging of items such as yoghurts.


The above is a quote from an Iriah Times article yesterday.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/consumer/warning-of-coronavirus-risks-over-careless-handling-of-shopping-1.4215864


Nobody wants to be running round looking like a silly goose, but simple logic would dictate that the surfaces of grocery packaging is at least somewhat of a likely vector for virus into peoples homes.
So people are devising their own little routines, while at the same time trying not to turn into Howard Hughes.

If you read the AMA thread by the consultant he is going to fairly substantial lengths to disinfect anything that comes into his home.

The person you responded to is only trying to mind their Ma.

Yes I don’t see why people think this ‘mental’. Why would they not do this at this stage.

jackboy

DOCARCH wrote: »

Fergal Bowers said this morning that it's the number of hospital and ICU admissions (and deaths) that needs to be focused on (rather than the number of confirmed cases, due to issues with the tests/getting test results).

That is risky. The hospital deaths could go very low with still significant cases in the community. Ease the restrictions and we are quickly back to square one. Very hard to ease the restrictions without a robust testing system.

Strazdas

Valhallapt wrote: »

Norway vs Denmark vs Sweden

Very strong correlation between a severe lockdown in Norway, middle of the road approach in Denmark and a laisse faire approach from the Swedes

Norway's lockdown is nearly identical to ours btw ; in fact, I think ours is slightly more restrictive.

wonski

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Absolutely everyone I know and all around me are doing what is asked of them
The vast majority are being reasonable

Same amount of people do nothing at all and act like it's all fun.

That's the reality.

See it every day at work. Not a bother for 9 out of 10. Nor at all.

is_that_so

paleoperson wrote: »

It's only leveling off because of the lockdown and the fact that there aren't as many potential new people to infect. It could very well end up that 70% of people end up infected.

This idea that we'll be over the worst of it in two weeks and it'll be plain sailing after that is hocus pocus nonsense.

I think you're the only one imagining that but all going well it is not unreasonable to expect an easing of some restrictions over the next four weeks. It's going to be a fairly long unwind anyway.

podgeandrodge

Gynoid wrote: »

Prior to stocking fridges and cupboards, shelves should be wiped with sanitiser and a paper towels and as coronavirus can survive on hard surfaces, the outside of all canned/hard surface pack goods should be wiped with a paper towel and warm soapy water,

An alternate option would be to leave non-perishable foods in a safe place for 72 hours. Remove outer food packaging and discard, being careful to limit handling of the inner packaging of items such as yoghurts.


The above is a quote from an Iriah Times article yesterday.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/consumer/warning-of-coronavirus-risks-over-careless-handling-of-shopping-1.4215864


Nobody wants to be running round looking like a silly goose, but simple logic would dictate that the surfaces of grocery packaging is at least somewhat of a likely vector for virus into peoples homes.
So people are devising their own little routines, while at the same time trying not to turn into Howard Hughes.

If you read the AMA thread by the consultant he is going to fairly substantial lengths to disinfect anything that comes into his home.

The person you responded to is only trying to mind their Ma.

Another perspective, truth probably in the middle.


Coronavirus Ireland: Expert on risk of catching virus while shopping in the supermarket


Kim Roberts, a lecturer at Trinity College Dublin, said that there is a risk of picking up Covid-19 at the shops but that risk is low.


Speaking to Sean O'Rourke on RTE Radio One, the assistant professor said that the biggest risk is what you are touching inside the shops.

Ms Roberts said: "The biggest risk is in the actual activity of doing your shopping, so if you are travelling on public transport it's about trying to maintain the two metre social distance from everyone else.

"If you are walking around the corner then obviously the risk is lower. When you go into the shop, when you touch the doors, freezers trolleys, those are all high touch surfaces that lot's of people would have touched so there's a risk there.

"So when I go out shopping, I assume as soon as I leave my house that my hands are dirty, so I wash my hands before I leave, so I go out the door assuming my hands are dirty and don't touch my face and touch as little surfaces as possible.

"If I assume my hands are dirty I am less likely to touch my face, my eyes, my nose and am therefore reducing my transmission risk.

"When you are in the shop the chances of a particular tin can you are picking up or a pack of cornflakes having a high enough amount of virus on them to cause a transmission is really low.

"Those individual shopping items are not seen as high risk.

"Everything we do has a risk. Somebody might have directly sneezed onto that tin can but that is unlikely to have happened."

The Trinity lecturer believes that wearing gloves do little to protect people and in some cases increase the risk of transmission.

She added: "Gloves can actually increase transmission risk. If we are touching stuff with gloves it is the exact same risk as without them on our hands.

"It gives us a false sense of security and people take higher risks."

Once you arrive home with the groceries, Ms Roberts doesn't think it's necessary to do a deep clean of items.

The Trinity lecturer said: "When you come back into the house wash you hands straight away, I would then put the shopping away immediately.

"Then I'd wash my hands again.

"I wouldn't(wash down the tins and food) because I personally believe that the chances someone sneezed or coughed on them is very low.

"But when I'm cooking I would wash my hands repeatedly.

"The virus isn't destroyed by cold temperatures, so putting it in the fridge or freezer won't kill it, but cooking will.

"The virus can theoretically survive on cardboard for up to 24 hours but that is very high dosages, normally it would be just a few hours."

CIARAN_BOYLE

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

The USA updates its cases twice a day. Is that right?

51 times a day i believe (each state updates separately then there's a national update)

The current figure on worldometers reflect 19 states.

Hippykitten

Was shopping in town earlier and noticed a big improvement in adhering to the distancing and hygiene standards. There was also more of a Garda presence around the place. Saw The Claire Byrne Show last night and the interview with the lady recovering in hospital would put the frighteners on you.

bodhrandude

BanditLuke wrote: »

I had really hoped to see a big drop but that is heartbreaking.

Fcuk this virus

Is there a way to make it visible so we can kick the sh1te right out of it, smash it with things.

wonski

Strazdas wrote: »

Norway's lockdown is nearly identical to ours btw ; in fact, I think ours is slightly more restrictive.

We have no lockdown.

Just some people working from home.

The rest walking around and driving around.

Lockdown lol...

Shn99

https://twitter.com/bnodesk/status/1245023921272995844?s=21

podgeandrodge

bodhrandude wrote: »

Is there a way to make it visible so we can kick the sh1te right out of it, smash it with things.

Why yes, did you not see?

https://twitter.com/i/status/1244344119545208834

Tea Shock

I see CNN's Chris Cuomo (and brother of the governor of New York, Andrew Cuomo) has tested positive

Kermit.de.frog

jackboy wrote: »

That is risky. The hospital deaths could go very low with still significant cases in the community. Ease the restrictions and we are quickly back to square one. Very hard to ease the restrictions without a robust testing system.

In my opinion there is no possibility of the restrictions being lifted for several months.

UK eyeing 6 months, Italy eyeing June. Most governments are simply not telling people the truth in relation to that.

This "two weeks" stuff, "Easter", "end of April" - that's all completely unrealistic.

Open up and we'll be locked down again with an explosion in cases within days.

In that way we are effectively trapped until we have a vaccine.

If you look at Italy for example and the horror they go through - it's flattening out for them but that's only because they have placed an artificial lid on it through a lockdown.

As I said before it's like a pressure cooker - remove the lid and undo everything.

We need a proven tested vaccine ultimately.

kilkenny31

wonski wrote: »

We have no lockdown.

Just some people working from home.

The rest walking around and driving around.

Lockdown lol...

What are you talking about. There is a mandatory stay at home order for everyone except for in certain circumstances. Almost every shop except for essential shops are closed. Building sites are closed. Look at any webcam of dublin city and you'll see there is nobody about. The only place you will see people are out for a walk or at a grocery store. Our rate of new daily infections have halved in the past two weeks.

beolight

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

It would be great if I lived alone but I don't. My housemate came out of their bedroom and into the kitchen, emptied the dishwasher without washing their hands. They presumed they was clean coming out of their bedroom, emptied the dishwasher and touched everything. If they had the virus, they were only transferring it to everything they were taking out and putting away. I'm doing so much cleaning, before, during and after I eat. Cleaning door knobs and presses, and washing hands as well. I've been fairly OCD lately with all this.

How do you know he/she doesn’t have a secret bottle of hand sanitizer in his/her bedroom and used it before leaving there room

If you are expecting the same level of OCD from your housemate you need to sit down and tell them it’s hard for everyone and they may not be fully aware how their actions are impacting you

Just Saying

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

The USA updates its cases twice a day. Is that right?

If you go to the Worldometer site and click on USA you will see which states have reported today.Some report a couple of times a day.

Fr_Dougal

tobefrank321 wrote: »

What has asking people that people should be fined got to do with being a medical expert?

Genuinely confused how you are making the link here?

Every single medical expert has said we need to respect restrictions.

Maybe there’s crossed wires.

You stated:

There's no need for new restrictions if existing restrictions are implemented properly and those who break them are fined.

And I asked how are you qualified to say that no further restrictions are needed.

Do you have some involvement with the emergency response coordination?

If you are, or are qualified in that area, it would be great to hear more from an expert.

Thanks.