CoVid19 Part XII - 4,604 in ROI (137 deaths) 998 in NI (56 deaths)(04/04) **Read OP**

Stripes99

Im just wondering, when can things realistically go back to some form of normality

RogerThis

Zardaz wrote: »

Carlow is actually 4 (as the only <=5 remainder from previous day's table) and Cavan should then be 24+7 = 31, that makes it sum correctly and Cavan = 1.16% rounded = 1.2%

Is that a guess or have you something to back it up?

tobefrank321

FVP3 wrote: »

But not all the news is bad, is it? The frog doesnt report the good news, and people who do dont get the thanks from the morbid brigade.

France had a low number of cases a few days ago and no link from anybody

Everything posted is the worst thing of that day. Low figures are not believed; Germany's death rate was too low for the morbid zombies., China is 40 times higher, Africa is doomed before it begins there.

Nevertheless the exponential trend, even in places like Italy, is falling.

Anyway I will be posting relatively good news every day. I do still work so I wont be able to rebut all the nonsense.

If you are looking for positivity and sunshine, this is probably not the thread for you. 25,000 people have died internationally at a bare minimum. Its a serious very contagious disease.

Covid19 has no good side to it.

Most of the good news stories around it have unfortunately been debunked such as a vaccine been mere weeks away, it only seriously impacts the very old and sick, it being nothing more than a mild flu and its easy to mass produce ventilators.

Kermit.de.frog

Stripes99 wrote: »

Im just wondering, when can things realistically go back to some form of normality

This is the new normal

bekker

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

At this stage I really wonder if a presser every day is absolutely necessary. We know generally how this is going to go, and hopefully it will be positive, but obviously will also be negative for many, but I'm sure you get my drift.

Same old questions from journos ( the questions seem to be longer than the answers, I cannot understand that, ask a fk question and wait for the answer), but I digress.

A recorded statement would be best. If anything worse happens and we need to be told, OK, say it.

This constant NEED for updates every day, what time is it, when will they tell us and so on doesn't mean those doing the hard graft HAVE to be live and answering the same questions every day either. Give them a break.

You are mistaking 'responding to' with 'answering', the reason the same people are present is probably a wish to appear to be speaking authoritatively. It is their choice to always use same small group.

In general it's a messy format, better to release embargoed report to press, to get informed focussed questions. But maybe they don't want that, or they don't trust press to stick to embargo, and they've been let down before.

Why there is a need to read it out line by line without a large screen scrolling display is a puzzle.

As for questions, the press are quoting from Twitter, YouTube et all, reduced it to government hand-outs, and conspiracy theories go exponential.

Ace2007

Stripes99 wrote: »

Im just wondering, when can things realistically go back to some form of normality

Imo we won't go back to full normality until the vaccine is available. Normality being you can get on a plane and go anywhere in the world and not live in fear.

I think when this is done, the idea of getting a flight to Manchester for 20quid will be a distant memory - Airlines will need cash and so flights will be expensive - people be so happy to travel they'll pay the fee too.

I hope that the idea of visiting sick and those in homes, goes on no more than 3/4 months - but I don't really know how that will work - at some stage you'd think they will have to let families see loved ones etc.

Not in Kansas

dublinman1990 wrote: »

There has been a suspected case of Coronavirus located in Blackrock, Co.Dublin. Emergency services had attended a location outside a house along the Blackrock by-pass in Temple Road just after 4pm this afternoon. <SNIP>

Now what I am posting is obviously unverified information. If anyone living near the house wants to say that this information is not true. That is fine with me as long as we are informed about it. When this crisis has unfolded only weeks ago; I didn't want to take the risk of walking outside that house because I didn't want to get the virus spread onto me & onto other people as I went home. I took the instant precaution of turning around straight away & walked back onto another road to make my journey home instead which was the right thing to do under the circumstances. Just a word of advice to you all. If you do see any emergency service personnel outside someone's property on your travels. Just be very careful in avoiding the virus being spread onto you whenever you do see them. Follow the official medical advice from our government & the HSE & self isolate at home immediately if you ever get symptoms.

Thanks.

What in the name of Jaysus is this? I know several people that have been tested. I've had an ambulance on my street twice. Why are you practically pointing to a possible suspected case? Lunacy. You should be informed about it? Maybe I am taking my anger out on you because I've had a lot of bad news today but what on on Earth are you on about?

Ha Long Bay

Stripes99 wrote: »

Im just wondering, when can things realistically go back to some form of normality

19th July the same day the Ice Age ended.

Fiery mutant

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Nowhere in that letter does it say anything like that. I'm afraid it's you who is being disingenuous.

I know your name says Professor, but it’s obviously no relation to your real life role.

leavingirl

"Confirmed coronavirus cases is an almost meaningless metric"


https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-03-28/confirmed-coronavirus-cases-is-an-almost-meaningless-metric

Martina1991

RobertKK wrote: »

More testing, over 100,000 tests per day in the US at the moment.

About 65,000 coronavirus tests are being performed on Americans each day — a meteoric rise from just 10 days ago. But public health experts say that about 150,000 tests are needed every day, so that infected patients can be quickly identified and separated.

The United States cannot even test everyone who is sick because of a shortage of testing kits and personal protective equipment for health care workers. At the Elmhurst Hospital Center in Queens, the line of people waiting outside for a test forms as early as 6 a.m., with some staying until 5 p.m. Many go home without being tested.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/03/26/us/coronavirus-testing-states.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage

Ireland even offering testing in the community is a positive thing. Some countries can only test those who have been hospitalised.

Jinglejangle69

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

At this stage I really wonder if a presser every day is absolutely necessary. We know generally how this is going to go, and hopefully it will be positive, but obviously will also be negative for many, but I'm sure you get my drift.

Same old questions from journos ( the questions seem to be longer than the answers, I cannot understand that, ask a fk question and wait for the answer), but I digress.

A recorded statement would be best. If anything worse happens and we need to be told, OK, say it.

This constant NEED for updates every day, what time is it, when will they tell us and so on doesn't mean those doing the hard graft HAVE to be live and answering the same questions every day either. Give them a break.

The biggest issue our generation faces. People in lockdown, 500,000 lost their jobs, measures we have never seen before.

And you are giving out we are getting daily updates from our representatives.


Seriously what is wrong with you people?

Do you ever have anything constructive to add to the conversation?

Stripes99

Ace2007 wrote: »

Imo we won't go back to full normality until the vaccine is available. Normality being you can get on a plane and go anywhere in the world and not live in fear.

I think when this is done, the idea of getting a flight to Manchester for 20quid will be a distant memory - Airlines will need cash and so flights will be expensive - people be so happy to travel they'll pay the fee too.

I hope that the idea of visiting sick and those in homes, goes on no more than 3/4 months - but I don't really know how that will work - at some stage you'd think they will have to let families see loved ones etc.

So you reckon this way of living is likely to go on for a number of months to come??

Funsterdelux

Ace2007 wrote: »

Agreed, Has Dr. Tony being on every day since this started - the guy must be exhausted.

One day I journalist asked Dr. Tony if he offered his condolences to those that passes a way - Tony was actually taken a back that this was a question.

Realistically we don't need any questions - release the figures, new cases, deaths, and those in ICU - really all that's needed.

He was interviewed on a weekend and he was wearing more casual clothes, so Im sure hes taking a few hours at the weekend, he'd have to otherwise it would eat you up.

Quantum Erasure

Muahahaha wrote: »

Nevada, a state in one of the richest countries in the world, has painted social-distancing boxes on a concrete parking lot for the homeless to sleep in.https://twitter.com/Manda_like_wine/status/1244602911084154880

they should have gone for a checkerboard pattern, only sleep in the unpainted squares

TheDoctor

john4321 wrote: »

19th July the same day the Ice Age ended.

Great to be able to celebrate Galway being liberated from the Indians

Spanish Eyes

bekker wrote: »

You are mistaking 'responding to' with 'answering', the reason the same people are present is probably a wish to appear to be speaking authoritatively. It is they're choice to always use same small group.

In general it's a messy format, better to release embargoed report to press, to get informed focussed questions. But maybe they don't want that, or they don't trust press to stick to embargo, and they've been let down before.

Why there is a need to read it out line by line without a large screen scrolling display is a puzzle.

TBH maybe they are trying to stop speculation. But that cat is out of the bag on Whatsapp etc. anyway.

They need a break now from live daily pressers. Everyone knows what's happening now. Good news is good news, and bad is bad, that can be communicated with a press release.

Then a once a week update. This is not ending after the Easter break, so pacing is needed now. Otherwise people will get fed up and get sick of listening anymore. And off they go ignoring all the rules.

It is the so called "Lockdown" rules that should be hammered home now I think. But that's just me.

Professor Moriarty

Fiery mutant wrote: »

I know your name says Professor, but it’s obviously no relation to your real life role.

Obviously not. I'm an escort in real life.

fr336

I don't understand how 100 year olds can recover yet 13 year olds with no underlying conditions die?

BorneTobyWilde

Seriously critical up from 59 to 103 , that's not good.

threeball

Trump wont say the numbers of predicted deaths on camera, presumably as he doesnt want it used in the future presidential elections.

niallo27

fr336 wrote: »

I don't understand how 100 year olds can recover yet 13 year olds with no underlying conditions die?

That's life, its **** sometimes. Happens every day.

LRNM

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

So they're saying that unqualified people are staffing ambulances when qualified people are available? And your problem with that is?

They're wording it to make it sound like that. When infact, EMT's are PHECC registered practitioners with a skillset and medication index quite similar to a paramedics. They're appropriate to deal with the vast majority of calls the ambulance service receives.



They've been given extra training and familiarisation over the past week and have been trained to swab people just like the paramedics have.



The arrangement NAS have put in place is for 1 EMT to staff and ambulance with 1 Paramedic. Rather than having 2 paramedics on an ambulance.

This is more than appropriate.

BorneTobyWilde

fr336 wrote: »

I don't understand how 100 year olds can recover yet 13 year olds with no underlying conditions die?

A dose, or a bad dose, something old folks would say, but is that a reality, or is every infection level in its intensity

Cody montana

They are aiming for 100,000 dead in the USA.

Ace2007

Stripes99 wrote: »

So you reckon this way of living is likely to go on for a number of months to come??

They may lax the rules somewhat but when you have healthcare workers being asked to live in isolation (i.e. healthcare workers not all living together), you can't let the general public go out to the beach at the weekend.

Like people say that the city is dead etc, but if you went into a hospital it's probably been as busy as it's every been, especially ICU beds.

I think I'll be working from home until August at the earliest - I hope I'm wrong - I just don't see how they can let everything go back to normal without a widescale vaccine.

sadie1502

fr336 wrote: »

I don't understand how 100 year olds can recover yet 13 year olds with no underlying conditions die?

No one seems to know. That's why we're here.

threeball

Irish hospitals should really look at trying to emulate the PPE criteria being used in Naples to protect the staff. Its obviously reusable and washable so we shouldnt need that much of it. Shouldnt a company like Portwest be able to produce it?

Quantum Erasure

threeball wrote: »

Trump wont say the numbers of predicted deaths on camera, presumably as he doesnt want it used in the future presidential elections.

smart man

Gods Gift

Trump ain’t getting involved in this.

Professor Moriarty

LRNM wrote: »

They're wording it to make it sound like that. When infact, EMT's are PHECC registered practitioners with a skillset and medication index quite similar to a paramedics. They're appropriate to deal with the vast majority of calls the ambulance service receives.



They've been given extra training and familiarisation over the past week and have been trained to swab people just like the paramedics have.



The arrangement NAS have put in place is for 1 EMT to staff and ambulance with 1 Paramedic. Rather than having 2 paramedics on an ambulance.

This is more than appropriate.

Fair enough. So Juanito was right and they were being disingenuous when they said that these people weren't qualified?

BorneTobyWilde

Trump done more than any world leader, yet gets labelled as the guy who did not. But he was the first to shut China out, and then Europe, while we were listening to Leo talking of '' Parades will go ahead'' and flying off to Washington to a dinner that was cancelled. And we all know what Boris did, stuck his head in the sand and said '' o well, what will be will be'' letting the virus take a huge grip before doing a thing.

Ace2007

Quantum Erasure wrote: »

they should have gone for a checkerboard pattern, only sleep in the unpainted squares

What the city that never sleep should have done, is open up the hotels with thousands of beds and let the homeless sleep there -

Professor Moriarty

Quantum Erasure wrote: »

smart man

Or he forgot the number.

ITman88

niallo27 wrote: »

That's life, its **** sometimes. Happens every day.

Exactly.
Just doesn’t make front page news usually, along with lots of other things that can sell an article these past few weeks

Spanish Eyes

threeball wrote: »

Trump wont say the numbers of predicted deaths on camera, presumably as he doesnt want it used in the future presidential elections.

At the rate that US sadly is going, I wonder if the November elections will happen.

Anyway Trump will be re elected if Biden is the opposition candidate. Would love to see Cuomo parachuted onto the Dem ticket. But let's dream on.

Tomrota

Quantum Erasure wrote: »

this is daily new cases from Wikipedia, seems to be holding steady enough, not accelerating

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_coronavirus_pandemic_in_the_Republic_of_Ireland

When I look at that graph, I see complete randomness as a result of bad testing strategy from the get go. Why has it dropped on multiple occasions? I think it is unreliable to focus on case increases and more on casualties of the virus in countries like this.

deisedevil

Quantum Erasure wrote: »

this is daily new cases from Wikipedia, seems to be holding steady enough, not accelerating

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_coronavirus_pandemic_in_the_Republic_of_Ireland

There's f-all testing being done. The positive cases mean absolutely nothing. ICU cases are flying up! They actually mean something.

Am I wrong here? Why is anyone still looking at the positive cases in Ireland anymore when no one is even hiding the fact now that there are huge problems with the testing and so little tests are being carried out?

Ignore the positive tests because they are nowhere near, not even anything like, a reflection of the amount of cases we actually have. Just look at ICU and deaths, because they are what they are for all to see.

tom_tarbucket

When will the ‘surge’ hit Ireland?

Are we in it right now or hasn’t happened yet?

BorneTobyWilde

Cody montana wrote: »

They are aiming for 100,000 dead in the USA.

And Leo was aiming for 20,000 cases by today. They put these numbers out to focus minds, and to promote compliance with the advice they give to bend the curve.

Roger_007

Gods Gift wrote: »

Trump ain’t getting involved in this.

Hopefully he’s been quietly told to keep his big mouth shut.

kenmc

Ace2007 wrote: »

I think I'll be working from home until August at the earliest - I hope I'm wrong - I just don't see how they can let everything go back to normal without a widescale vaccine.

The best hope is that people who've recovered are indeed immune, and an antibody test is developed quickly and cheaply to identify these folk who can begin to return to the old normal. Meanwhile the unimmune get to doss and sponge off the state while the rest work (obligatory welfare spongers joke of course) until the virus runs out of steam.

Guess need some way to identify those with immunity who are allowed out from those who aren't.

Gods Gift

Jim Acosta goin to get a bollicking

Spanish Eyes

Roger_007 wrote: »

Hopefully he’s been quietly told to keep his big mouth shut.

He never took advice in his presidential life, and it would be far better for everyone if he kept his mouth OPEN now.

I blame the idiot sycophants behind and beside him. How many brain cells have they got realistically.

Cody montana

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Trump done more than any world leader, yet gets labelled as the guy who did not. But he was the first to shut China out, and then Europe, while we were listening to Leo talking of '' Parades will go ahead'' and flying off to Washington to a dinner that was cancelled. And we all know what Boris did, stuck his head in the sand and said '' o well, what will be will be'' letting the virus take a huge grip before doing a thing.

100 thousand dead, that's the prediction.
All of America is not even in shutdown.
He only stopped flights from Europe over 2 weeks ago.

daheff

tom_tarbucket wrote: »

When will the ‘surge’ hit Ireland?

Are we in it right now or hasn’t happened yet?

Which surge are you talking about...surge of new cases or surge of ICU admissions?

We are in the middle of the bulk of new cases.

The surge on ICU is approx 7-10 days from now. On top of what's already in ICU.

kilkenny31

tom_tarbucket wrote: »

When will the ‘surge’ hit Ireland?

Are we in it right now or hasn’t happened yet?

Mid April is the prediction. They are saying around the 11th or 12th.

endacl

mikeoc85 wrote: »

I know the government have let us have one of the lowest ICU numbers in Europe...half that of Italy's.

Don't you mean 'de gubbernmint'.

Probably because 'de bankuurz' told them to.

threeball

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Trump done more than any world leader, yet gets labelled as the guy who did not. But he was the first to shut China out, and then Europe, while we were listening to Leo talking of '' Parades will go ahead'' and flying off to Washington to a dinner that was cancelled. And we all know what Boris did, stuck his head in the sand and said '' o well, what will be will be'' letting the virus take a huge grip before doing a thing.

Thought he was gonna get his 15 cases down to 0 very soon. He also suggested he'd reopen the country at easter. Then he asked the governers to praise him or he wouldnt answer their call. Then to top it off he accused the hospitals in New york so sending PPE out the back door because they needed so much.

Ya he's done a great job

TheDoctor

TheDoctor wrote: »

Great to be able to celebrate Galway being liberated from the Indians

Marathon also became Snickers