CoVid19 Part XII - 4,604 in ROI (137 deaths) 998 in NI (56 deaths)(04/04) **Read OP**

tobefrank321

fr336 wrote: »

I don't understand how 100 year olds can recover yet 13 year olds with no underlying conditions die?

As its a novel virus peer reviewed studies have been few and far between.

There have been some studies on viral load which look promising, ie the more of the virus you are exposed to the more severe the outcome, but obviously more study needs to be done on this. Some experts talk of two strains, one severe, one mild. Having a strong immune system isn't always a good thing if it causes an immune over reaction. Finally a 100 year old might have no underlying conditions while a 13 year old might have an undiagnosed one.

Much about this virus is a mystery but like the spanish flu it will be studied for decades.

deisedevil

tom_tarbucket wrote: »

When will the ‘surge’ hit Ireland?

Are we in it right now or hasn’t happened yet?

Hasn't happened yet. And hopefully too many people don't start to feel comfortable because of the ridiculous positive cases figures being given out.

Ace2007

deisedevil wrote: »

There's f-all testing being done. The positive cases mean absolutely nothing. ICU cases are flying up! They actually mean something.

Am I wrong here? Why is anyone still looking at the positive cases in Ireland anymore when no one is even hiding the fact now that there are huge problems with the testing and so little tests are being carried out?

Ignore the positive tests because they are nowhere near, not even anything like, a reflection of the amount of cases we actually have. Just look at ICU and deaths, because they are what they are for all to see.

We don't have the full data, but the numbers that have sadly passed away seem to be mainly quite elderly, so if the virus gets into a nursing home, more than likely a large % of them will need ICU beds and sadly some of them will pass away. So I think looking purely at ICU beds isn't a fair reflection on where are either.

mouldybiscuits

fr336 wrote: »

I don't understand how 100 year olds can recover yet 13 year olds with no underlying conditions die?

Each illness is different and everyone's immune system doesn't react the same. Sometimes a perfectly healthy person can die and sometimes a vulnerable person can only get a mild case. There is a bit of randomness in every individual illness. This goes for all sorts of illnesses

froog

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

I did. The word 'overtime' isn't mentioned. Perhaps you should read it again?

if you can't see that it's about overtime you have either no experience or knowledge of unions, or you are a card carrying SIPTU member yourself.

Professor Moriarty

froog wrote: »

if you can't see that it's about overtime you have either no experience or knowledge of unions, or you are a card carrying SIPTU member yourself.

Got me. I'm a SIPTU shop steward.

statesaver

threeball wrote: »

Trump wont say the numbers of predicted deaths on camera, presumably as he doesnt want it used in the future presidential elections.

Democrats didn't cover themselves in glory either.


Tim Pool.
Democrats Try To Call Out Trump But Just SELF OWN, They Basically Argue AGAINST Electing Democrats

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dyIe2sCbLM

podgeandrodge

So, basic enough question!

Right now, and I know we are behind in the cases being identified now, but right now, where are people getting infected in general?

Supermarket seems reasonably unlikely with distancing (hopefully)

Shared lifts/buttons, keypads etc - again, with what people now know, hopefully not too much

Public transport - not very much going on any more
Apartment blocks - people walking by each other - hopefully distancing

So where do people think the cases that we see in 2 weeks will derive from?

BorneTobyWilde

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Trump done more than any world leader, yet gets labelled as the guy who did not. But he was the first to shut China out, and then Europe, while we were listening to Leo talking of '' Parades will go ahead'' and flying off to Washington to a dinner that was cancelled. And we all know what Boris did, stuck his head in the sand and said '' o well, what will be will be'' letting the virus take a huge grip before doing a thing.

You're just swallowing his bare faced lies. You're not alone though, nearly 45% of Americans trust him, even though he has blatantly and openly lied to them every single day of his presidency so far.

He didn't move fast on covid19. He called it a hoax.

Witcher

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Got me. I'm a SIPTU shop steward.

Say no more sure, snout meet trough.

tom_tarbucket

daheff wrote: »

Which surge are you talking about...surge of new cases or surge of ICU admissions?

We are in the middle of the bulk of new cases.

The surge on ICU is approx 7-10 days from now. On top of what's already in ICU.

Thanks. Yeah the ICU surge.

Roger_007

tobefrank321 wrote: »

As its a novel virus peer reviewed studies have been few and far between.

There have been some studies on viral load which look promising, ie the more of the virus you are exposed to the more severe the outcome, but obviously more study needs to be done on this. Some experts talk of two strains, one severe, one mild. Having a strong immune system isn't always a good thing if it causes an immune over reaction. Finally a 100 year old might have no underlying conditions while a 13 year old might have an undiagnosed one.

Much about this virus is a mystery but like the spanish flu it will be studied for decades.

I think that’s the point. We know very little about this virus. Major lessons will have to be learned but it will take time to analyse the data of this outbreak. Hopefully we will be better prepared for the next pandemic.

threeball

statesaver wrote: »

Democrats didn't cover themselves in glory either.


Tim Pool.
Democrats Try To Call Out Trump But Just SELF OWN, They Basically Argue AGAINST Electing Democrats

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dyIe2sCbLM

Maybe not, but theyre not in the hot seat. When you're the man you have to step up to the plate. What democrats or Sinn Fein or Labour say doesnt matter a damn. In the words of Truman, the buck stops here.... unless youre trump

2ndcoming

Quantum Erasure wrote: »

smart man

Sure thing :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

jimmycrackcorm

wakka12 wrote: »

Mad to think the first case in China was only confirmed 3 months to the day

One of my youtube subscriptions about china pointed out an interesting fact of a job opening in the Wuhan virology labs about studying bat coronaviruses.

starts 5:23

The job opening was posted on their website amonth before the outbreak.
But that's coincidence - isnt it...

tom_tarbucket

deisedevil wrote: »

Hasn't happened yet. And hopefully too many people don't start to feel comfortable because of the ridiculous positive cases figures being given out.

What do you mean by ridiculous?

Ace2007

podgeandrodge wrote: »

So, basic enough question!

Right now, and I know we are behind in the cases being identified now, but right now, where are people getting infected in general?

Supermarket seems reasonably unlikely with distancing (hopefully)

Shared lifts/buttons, keypads etc - again, with what people now know, hopefully not too much

Public transport - not very much going on any more
Apartment blocks - people walking by each other - hopefully distancing

So where do people think the cases that we see in 2 weeks will derive from?

Well this is exactly how we are going to slow it down,

Given the latest recommendation of healthcare workers not living together, I think it's fair to say a lot of cases are coming from treating those with the virus in hospitals, and the HSE are trying to avoid large numbers of healthcare workers getting sick at the one time.

deisedevil

Ace2007 wrote: »

We don't have the full data, but the numbers that have sadly passed away seem to be mainly quite elderly, so if the virus gets into a nursing home, more than likely a large % of them will need ICU beds and sadly some of them will pass away. So I think looking purely at ICU beds isn't a fair reflection on where are either.

I'm saying that I don't think there's much point in us looking at testing results anymore. Every evening I see people making the same comments that there hasn't been large increases in the numbers of positive results and that we seem to be doing quite well. But how can anyone make that conclusion from an absolutely diabolical testing system. It's a complete and utter disaster. They don't even have solution for the swabs anymore. No reagents to make them and running out of swabs. A local test centre near me did ten tests this morning and had to stop because that's all the swabs they had.

So everyone should ignore the tests results. Just look at the increases in ICU numbers and deaths from now on to get an understanding of how we are coping.

Strazdas

tom_tarbucket wrote: »

Thanks. Yeah the ICU surge.

The scientists think new cases will start to drop whilst deaths are still high every day. There will be a time lag issue at play.

Kermit.de.frog

Coronavirus: Anger is growing at China over COVID-19 and its apparent cover-up attempt

China is facing a public relations catastrophe that is only likely to deepen, writes Sky's diplomatic editor Dominic Waghorn.

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-anger-is-growing-at-china-over-covid-19-and-its-apparent-cover-up-attempt-11966539

Western countries have their populations on lockdown, their economies frozen or in freefall, and the country where the virus most likely originated is suspected to have lied, covered up and spread misinformation about its role.

In Britain, there is reportedly rising anger about the Chinese government's conduct and increasing pressure for a wholesale review of relations with China.

frillyleaf

kenmc wrote: »

The best hope is that people who've recovered are indeed immune, and an antibody test is developed quickly and cheaply to identify these folk who can begin to return to the old normal. Meanwhile the unimmune get to doss and sponge off the state while the rest work (obligatory welfare spongers joke of course) until the virus runs out of steam.

Guess need some way to identify those with immunity who are allowed out from those who aren't.

Is there even immunity one you’ve gotten this virus ? I thought that was still being questioned

amadangomor

podgeandrodge wrote: »

So, basic enough question!

Right now, and I know we are behind in the cases being identified now, but right now, where are people getting infected in general?

Supermarket seems reasonably unlikely with distancing (hopefully)

Shared lifts/buttons, keypads etc - again, with what people now know, hopefully not too much

Public transport - not very much going on any more
Apartment blocks - people walking by each other - hopefully distancing

So where do people think the cases that we see in 2 weeks will derive from?

Good point.

Still plenty of people going to work so this will be a driver. Only takes one person in an office to have it then the people they spread it to bring it home and infect their whole household.

threeball

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

One of my youtube subscriptions about china pointed out an interesting fact of a job opening in the Wuhan virology labs about studying bat coronaviruses.

starts 5:23

The job opening was posted on their website amonth before the outbreak.
But that's coincidence - isnt it...

Regardless of whether this was intentional or not, the world needs to reduce trade with china and the dependence on their cheap product. Either way this should hurt them rather than benefit them.

OscarMIlde

weldoninhio wrote: »

The “ramping up of tests” etc was a PR exercise. The “we have plenty of PPE” was a PR exercise.
The bullshyte about getting to “15,000 tests a day” was a PR exercise.

All we are getting from Simple Simon and Varadkardashian is spin and PR bluster.

It most likely wasn't a PR exercise. They likely thought they had the resources (scientists/equipment) to do this but is now not possible due to the worldwide shortage in RNA extraction kits.

Talisman

Birx and Fauci are brilliant at explaining the situation.

Ace2007

deisedevil wrote: »

I'm saying that I don't think there's much point in us looking at testing results anymore. Every evening I see people making the same comments that there hasn't been large increases in the numbers of positive results and that we seem to be doing quite well. But how can anyone make that conclusion from an absolutely diabolical testing system. It's a complete and utter disaster. They don't even have solution for the swabs anymore. No reagents to make them and running out of swabs. A local test centre near me did ten tests this morning and had to stop because that's all the swabs they had.

So everyone should ignore the tests results. Just look at the increases in ICU numbers and deaths from now on to get an understanding of how we are coping.

Testing is a world wide issue not limited to Ireland.

But again you fail to understand, if say 500 people over the age of 80 get the virus - it's safe to say without knowing about their general health a large % of them are going to require hospital treatment and some ICU and some will sadly pass away.

If you take 500 people in their 40's the number that will go into hospital is lower, the number needing ICU will be low, and even less will pay away.

So unless you have a breakdown of the age and where the person got the virus from you can't really take anything from the number in ICU, some nursing homes in Dublin have 150+ residents - wouldn't take much of an outbreak to fill hospital ICU beds in a Dublin hospital for instance.

pH

Deleted User wrote: »

You're just swallowing his bare faced lies. You're not alone though, nearly 45% of Americans trust him, even though he has blatantly and openly lied to them every single day of his presidency so far.

He didn't move fast on covid19. He called it a hoax.

Even snopes.com says that's not true:

In context, Trump did not say in the passage above that the virus itself was a hoax. He instead said that Democrats’ criticism of his administration’s response to it was a hoax.
snopes.com

Who's swallowing whose lies?

omerin

Its all about the pr with trump

ninebeanrows

Trump rambling here!!

Gods Gift

Talisman wrote: »

Birx and Fauci are brilliant at explaining the situation.

Yes easy to understand.

Musefan

Trump covering up that he can't remember the term "herd immunity"..."we won't even call it the name"

Funsterdelux

fr336 wrote: »

I don't understand how 100 year olds can recover yet 13 year olds with no underlying conditions die?

Its like this one time I went with 2 mates for a kebab and I got a slight dose of the scutters, one of the others got a bad dose of the scuts and the other landed in hospital and lost over a stone.

BorneTobyWilde

threeball wrote: »

Thought he was gonna get his 15 cases down to 0 very soon. He also suggested he'd reopen the country at easter. Then he asked the governers to praise him or he wouldnt answer their call. Then to top it off he accused the hospitals in New york so sending PPE out the back door because they needed so much.

Ya he's done a great job

Wishful thinking, he says things in hope, not suggesting it's an absolute given, but then people use those sound-byte's to paint their narrative.



He said it would be great time to get it done, Easter. I'd agree, would you not, I too would love it to be done by Easter

Loughc

The massive slow down in % of new cases over the past few days is surely a sign we got ahead of this early when we closed the schools and colleges so soon.

It seems to be working well.

rossie1977

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Trump done more than any world leader, yet gets labelled as the guy who did not. But he was the first to shut China out, and then Europe, while we were listening to Leo talking of '' Parades will go ahead'' and flying off to Washington to a dinner that was cancelled. And we all know what Boris did, stuck his head in the sand and said '' o well, what will be will be'' letting the virus take a huge grip before doing a thing.

Italy stopped flights from China before the US.. https://www.forbes.com/sites/davekeating/2020/03/12/italy-banned-flights-from-china-before-americait-didnt-work/

Trump has been downplaying virus since January

https://twitter.com/nowthisnews/status/1244781570440884225

OscarMIlde

martingriff wrote: »

You must think all these places have the highest equipment. What would a University want need of a machine to test viruses. Do you really think these people can just walk in and know how to test for these things, Not all scientist, technicians or professors know everything. Come on use your head

To be fair the equipment is very common in biology labs in universities. What would be an issue is the level of maintenance and calibration of the equipment in universities. There are very strict guidelines regarding calibration for diagnostic labs.

frillyleaf

amadangomor wrote: »

Good point.

Still plenty of people going to work so this will be a driver. Only takes one person in an office to have it then the people they spread it to bring it home and infect their whole household.

Also some people house share, it’s easier for a full family to restrict themselves but not people house sharing

gabeeg

pH wrote: »

Even snopes.com says that's not true:

In context, Trump did not say in the passage above that the virus itself was a hoax. He instead said that Democrats’ criticism of his administration’s response to it was a hoax.
snopes.com

Who's swallowing whose lies?

Oh great, now we'll all break out the quotes of trump making a complete and utter tit of himself

Thanks PH

tom_tarbucket

deisedevil wrote: »

Hasn't happened yet. And hopefully too many people don't start to feel comfortable because of the ridiculous positive cases figures being given out.

What do you mean by this?

bb12

https://www.yanisvaroufakis.eu/2020/03/30/why-are-they-saying-no-to-the-eurobond-the-case-for-constructive-disobedience-in-the-eu-council/

Why are they saying no to the eurobond? The case for constructive disobedience in the EU Council

leavingirl

Slowly, slowly the world is waking up

https://www.skynews.com.au/details/_6145949551001

Goodbye Rosie, the Queen of Corona

kyote00

And Trump the **** stepped out of camera shot as the bad news was delivered by others.
Later he hints NYC were slow to react .....

Why don't some of the press hacks ask for his resignation ?
100k dead FFS

Talisman wrote: »

Birx and Fauci are brilliant at explaining the situation.

amadangomor

OscarMIlde wrote: »

To be fair the equipment is very common in biology labs in universities. What would be an issue is the level of maintenance and calibration of the equipment in universities. There are very strict guidelines regarding calibration for diagnostic labs.

These would not be scalable to carry out mass testing. They are to run limited experiments on.

podgeandrodge

podgeandrodge wrote: »

So, basic enough question!

Right now, and I know we are behind in the cases being identified now, but right now, where are people getting infected in general?

Supermarket seems reasonably unlikely with distancing (hopefully)

Shared lifts/buttons, keypads etc - again, with what people now know, hopefully not too much

Public transport - not very much going on any more
Apartment blocks - people walking by each other - hopefully distancing

So where do people think the cases that we see in 2 weeks will derive from?

Ace2007 wrote: »

Well this is exactly how we are going to slow it down,

Given the latest recommendation of healthcare workers not living together, I think it's fair to say a lot of cases are coming from treating those with the virus in hospitals, and the HSE are trying to avoid large numbers of healthcare workers getting sick at the one time.

amadangomor wrote: »

Good point.

Still plenty of people going to work so this will be a driver. Only takes one person in an office to have it then the people they spread it to bring it home and infect their whole household.

Keep those ideas coming!

jimmycrackcorm

yosser hughes wrote: »

Does anyone know why the cargo received from China was transported on Army trucks and Garda outriders with cameras rolling to capture the whole exercise?
I've seen it replayed several times.
To me it looked like a propaganda exercise.

Sky news showed video clips of British amry trucks also deliviring PPE suplies to hospitals in London. They must also be undertaking a propaganda exercise.

Also I'd say that PPE gear is worth its weight in gold these days and is probably a theft target.

threeball

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Wishful thinking, he says things in hope, not suggesting it's an absolute given, but then people use those sound-byte's to paint their narrative.



He said it would be great time to get it done, Easter. I'd agree, would you not, I too would love it to be done by Easter

Ah get off it. Hes the leader of a very powerful country. You cant just trot out any aul sh1te that comes in to your head. People and bodies rely on the info you provide. Particularly the office of POTUS

Kermit.de.frog

Hidden within France' figures is those for patients needing ICU beds which rose by 425 today alone.

This is what concerns the HSE here so much for good reason.

BorneTobyWilde

rossie1977 wrote: »

Trump has been downplaying virus since January

Acosta is more interested in trying to make Trump look bad than wanting to ask a decent question on the topic of the briefing.

YFlyer

Mervyn Skidmore wrote: »

Lidl in Doughiska Galway were only allowing 1 person per group in yesterday. Went there with my wife and she ended up waiting in the car.

Great idea.

Jinglejangle69

The leader of the world.

Jesus what an absolute muppet.

Has no idea what he's doing.