CoVid19 Part XII - 4,604 in ROI (137 deaths) 998 in NI (56 deaths)(04/04) **Read OP**

Roger_007

Shn99 wrote: »

The CMO was saying this evening that if the current measures take effect, we could see a relaxation of the current measures. Would this be the reopening of schools, colleges ect or what are we thinking?

What the CMO did not say is when there could be a relaxation of the current measures. I know that he cannot be prescriptive about this but what everyone needs to to have is some indication of just how long they have to live in this twilight zone of an existence. If the message continues to be ‘as long as it takes’, there will come a point where the current acquiescence will begin to fracture.
They keep talking about ‘flattening the curve’. We all get that but we need to have some indication of when some sort of normality can return to their lives. Is it a month, or two months or six months.....or what?
We also need to know what the priorities are for returning to normal. Is it opening the schools, the parks, the restaurants, the pubs, sports events....or what?
I’m sure there is some sort of thinking or planning is going on, but FFS just share it with us so that we can have something to look forward to.
Don’t treat the people like mushrooms, (keep them in the dark and feed them sh1t).

cameramonkey

They should ship a load of test to China on those aircraft that are going back and forth each day. The Chinese seem to have a huge testing capability and now that the virus is waning they must have spare capacity.

marno21

pH wrote: »

We can, but the Government is wasting valuable time.

We will need a rapid covid-19 response team:
- 2 hour response and test anywhere in the country
- Actual real quarantine (in covid19 hotels) of anyone testing positive.
- Testing and tracing of all contacts.
- 14 days self quarantine (monitored and legally enforced) for these contacts plus follow-up tests.

- Impeccable transmission prevention measure in hospitals and nursing homes.

- Mandatory 14 day quarantine for everyone arriving to the country from anywhere that's not 100% covid-19 free.

These measures will stop any outbreak in its tracks and allow 99.99% of the population get on with their lives once the outbreak is squashed.

But these measures need to be in place in a few of weeks time, otherwise everything we're going through now is all for nothing (in the long run) and we're just 6 weeks away from this all over again.

This is not feasible at present, however, measures to allow something similar to the above to be implemented are the main reason and outcome from the lockdown we're going through.

The lockdown is to buy us time to get into a war footing to finally take on the virus. If there are 3000+ carriers of the virus in Ireland, eradication is not an option.

babybuilder

pH wrote: »

We can, but the Government is wasting valuable time.

We will need a rapid covid-19 response team:
- 2 hour response and test anywhere in the country
- Actual real quarantine (in covid19 hotels) of anyone testing positive.
- Testing and tracing of all contacts.
- 14 days self quarantine (monitored and legally enforced) for these contacts plus follow-up tests.

- Impeccable transmission prevention measure in hospitals and nursing homes.

- Mandatory 14 day quarantine for everyone arriving to the country from anywhere that's not 100% covid-19 free.

These measures will stop any outbreak in its tracks and allow 99.99% of the population get on with their lives once the outbreak is squashed.

But these measures need to be in place in a few of weeks time, otherwise everything we're going through now is all for nothing (in the long run) and we're just 6 weeks away from this all over again.

Spot on.

smelly sock

cameramonkey wrote: »

They should ship a load of test to China on those aircraft that are going back and forth each day. The Chinese seem to have a huge testing capability and now that the virus is waning they must have spare capacity.

The Chinese need the tests for themselves. Covid is rampant over there and now they have re opened the wet markets.

fritzelly

cameramonkey wrote: »

They should ship a load of test to China on those aircraft that are going back and forth each day. The Chinese seem to have a huge testing capability and now that the virus is waning they must have spare capacity.

Yeah but we'd only have 10 new cases per day

MipMap

babybuilder wrote: »

Ruling class hubris. It will never happen here nonsense. The manipulation of the population's psychosis by the ruling class is unreal. Their paranoia about Russia and China a prime example. Bomb the **** out of any country that stands in their way. The US will implode, maybe not because of this, but soon.

Not One single person in Ireland will die, go into ICU, get infected or anything else as a result of what Trump does, says or anything else.


Talking about this idiot gives him oxygen.


One of the many contradictory things he has says will prove to be right.


It will end in the Summer.
A million people will have died if we did'nt do what we did.
Blah Blah Blah


the more crap he puts out there the more likely it is that in the fullness of time something will ring true.


He will claim he always said this and the idiots that voted for him the last time will swallow it again.

Memnoch

ChikiChiki wrote: »

Thats an eye opener.

Not sure about that. Most of the ones being dismissive are hardly papers of record.

Also, Trump had the benefit of expert advice from world leading scientists. Which he clearly ignored and made light of in his press conferences.

Here is a helpful timeline of his comments:

“Trump's Covid 19 Performance in his own words:
1/22: Totally controlled
1/24: Will work out well
1/30: Well under control
2/1: Pretty much shut it down
2/10: By April will miraculously go away
2/24: Very much under control
2/26: 15 cases going to 0
3/7: Not concerned at all
3/17: This is a pandemic. I felt it was a pandemic long before it was called a pandemic.”

Would be interesting to compare the date of those comments with those newspaper articles and especially consider how many of them are republican supporting publications (like fox news).

murpho999

cameramonkey wrote: »

They said they were at 5000 a day, that is not true, they also said they were at 2000 per day also not true.



Since the start of the pandemic here we have averaged about 900 tests per day.


Last week they averaged 1745 per day although in the press conference they said they are only carrying out 1500 per day so maybe they were at 2000 for a short time but they did not sustain it and are now back to 1500 per day.

Simon Coveney said last night on Claire Byrne that they were at 5,000 a day.

RTE reported early last week at UCD lab that there were then testing 2,000 a day.

So why isn't it true?

Can you provide evidence to back up your numbers?

Can you explain to me why the test rate per million in the UK iower than ours 370 vs 655 but UK's death rate per million is 26 whilst our is 14?
Netherlands has similar test rate to us at 735 but their death rate is much higher at 61.

Source.

Could that not be a sign that the measures imposed her might actually be working?
I just don't get why there are people constantly on here trying to convince everyone that Ireland is doing a bad job on this?

DebDynamite

murpho999 wrote: »

There is. All people entering the country are told to isolate for 14 days.

Again, it’s advised, not mandatory. How well do you think Ciara who moved over to London can self isolate coming back to the family home where her parents and 4 siblings live? Or Maureen and John coming back from their holiday home in Spain.. you think they’re not going to have to go out to the shops to get supplies and groceries for when they get home?

SAXA

Can people not get there heads around that every Government in the world is trying to get their hands on testing kits. One of the biggest producers in Europe is in Lombardy.. The others are in China

Larbre34

Strazdas wrote: »

The Govt couldn't do it even if they wanted to. Every Irish citizen has a constitutional right to re-enter the country and cannot be refused entry.

They could easily draft regulations under the recent Health (etc) Act to detain everyone entering the Country until a stated period in controlled quarantine had passed, rather then trusting in self isolation.

I suspect, though, that things would have to be getting dire in the progress of the pandemic on island for that to come to pass.

Strazdas

Roger_007 wrote: »

What the CMO did not say is when there could be a relaxation of the current measures. I know that he cannot be prescriptive about this but what everyone needs to to have is some indication of just how long they have to live in this twilight zone of an existence. If the message continues to be ‘as long as it takes’, there will come a point where the current acquiescence will begin to fracture.
They keep talking about ‘flattening the curve’. We all get that but we need to have some indication of when some sort of normality can return to their lives. Is it a month, or two months or six months.....or what?
We also need to know what the priorities are for returning to normal. Is it opening the schools, the parks, the restaurants, the pubs, sports events....or what?
I’m sure there is some sort of thinking or planning is going on, but FFS just share it with us so that we can have something to look forward to.
Don’t treat the people like mushrooms, (keep them in the dark and feed them sh1t).

It cannot be six months anyway. At that point, most SMEs would no longer even be viable and they (the Govt) would have effectively destroyed their own economy. I think they know full well that 3-4 months is the maximum upper limit and beyond that and they would be in massive trouble.

I do think myself though that many places will be reopening by early June.

Memnoch

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Under Obama an estimated 65 million Americans had been infected with the 2009 A H1N1 Virus and 20,000 plus Americans had died.
But no one pointed the finger at Obama, and life never changed, no lockdown, no closing of country.

Can you show us Obama's comments making light of H1N1 and minimising it's impact? Can you demonstrate how he failed to listen to the advice that was given by experts as has clearly been the case for Trump?

Also your figures above are incorrect. https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resources/2009-h1n1-pandemic.html

12,000 deaths.

Not sure why I engaged with your whataboutry. Trump's actions can be easily judged on their own merits.

DebDynamite

Strazdas wrote: »

The Govt couldn't do it even if they wanted to. Every Irish citizen has a constitutional right to re-enter the country and cannot be refused entry.

That’s not refusing them entry into the country

babybuilder

SAXA wrote: »

Can people not get there heads around that every Government in the world is trying to get their hands on testing kits. One of the biggest producers in Europe is in Lombardy.. The others are in China

They had a chance to get their heads around that 5 weeks ago. "Full state of preparedness" my arse.

Strazdas

Larbre34 wrote: »

They could easily draft regulations under the recent Health (etc) Act to detain everyone entering the Country until a stated period in controlled quarantine had passed, rather then trusting in self isolation.

I suspect, though, that things would have to be getting dire in the progress of the pandemic on island for that to come to pass.

They could definitely do what you are suggesting. I believe NZ has taken on such powers.

MipMap

murpho999 wrote: »

Can you provide evidence to back up your numbers?

Wiki


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_coronavirus_pandemic_in_the_Republic_of_Ireland#Testing


30213 as of yesterday

RandomViewer

MipMap wrote: »

At 15,000 a day We would end up testing 1.5 million people in 100 days - 30% of the population


Is that the numbers they expect to be infected?

At the current test rate a large percentage of the population will be over the virus long before we even hit 100 k tests

flashforward

murpho999 wrote: »

15,000 tests a day is not a PR exercise, it's a target they are working towards and they ar presently at 5,000 a day. By tests I mean results, not just swabs. They were at 2,000 last week.
People do not accept it takes to get all these things up and running.

Wrong. Wrong. Wrong.
Mar 23rd they were processing swabs @1350/day
Mar 31st they were processing swabs @1500/day
Both of the figures above were stated during the press conferences on those days.

Everyone harping on about this great job being done:
1. Opening test centres around the country at a rapid rate - DONE
2. Redeploying AHP staff to the front line to take swabs from these new test centres (leaving other 'non essential' services like speech and language, OT, physio and mental health services with skeleton staff) -DONE
3. Widen the testing criteria so every tom dick and harry with a sniffle get referred for testing - DONE
4. Don't consider PPE stocks when making decisions- DONE
5. Dont have the f**king foresight to see that by doing all the above you wont have the capacity in the lab test centres to convert the swabs to results. - DONE

So to summarise - pursue a 'test everyone' approach without the adequate resources, create a massive bottleneck whilst putting frontline staff at serious risk due to inadequate PPE supplies.

I appreciate the criteria has been changed once they realised the f*** up but if this was a private sector company we were talking about whoever came up with the plan above would be sacked.

Kermit.de.frog

https://twitter.com/JTMLX/status/1245137380018798593

JP Liz V1

Can anywhere in Ireland produce the test swab kits?

MipMap

RandomViewer wrote: »

At the current test rate a large percentage of the population will be over the virus long before we even hit 100 k tests

They are saying they hope to get to 15,000 per day(today's briefing) but they have been saying that for a while now.


Thing is, Testing is not any good unless you have symptoms cos you could catch it five minutes after you got the test.

RandomViewer

Depends where you are but there isn't a lot of testing going on, Lots of people with symptoms aren't even going to the doctor, real figures possibly 10 to 20 times what's being reported

JP Liz V1

The growth rate of virus cases halves but fears about delays to testing - Irish Independent

RandomViewer

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

Can anywhere in Ireland produce the test swab kits?

I don't think the swabs are the issue, the labs and the manpower conduct the tests are

smelly sock

17 deaths is mental. Really harrowing stuff. I cant see things getting back to normal this year at all really. It'll take a vaccine for that.

nocoverart

This constant back and forth bickering on this sh1t show of a thread can’t be healthy. I firmly believe most posters here actually don’t care about the pandemic itself. These people are more invested in winning a pointless debate to massage their own egos, and if that involves scaremongering to do so, they will.

Danzy

flashforward wrote: »

Wrong. Wrong. Wrong.
Mar 23rd they were processing swabs @1350/day
Mar 31st they were processing swabs @1500/day
Both of the figures above were stated during the press conferences on those days.

Everyone harping on about this great job being done:
1. Opening test centres around the country at a rapid rate - DONE
2. Redeploying AHP staff to the front line to take swabs from these new test centres (leaving other 'non essential' services like speech and language, OT, physio and mental health services with skeleton staff) -DONE
3. Widen the testing criteria so every tom dick and harry with a sniffle get referred for testing - DONE
4. Don't consider PPE stocks when making decisions- DONE
5. Dont have the f**king foresight to see that by doing all the above you wont have the capacity in the lab test centres to convert the swabs to results. - DONE

So to summarise - pursue a 'test everyone' approach without the adequate resources, create a massive bottleneck whilst putting frontline staff at serious risk due to inadequate PPE supplies.

I appreciate the criteria has been changed once they realised the f*** up but if this was a private sector company we were talking about whoever came up with the plan above would be sacked.

🙄

cameramonkey

murpho999 wrote: »

Simon Coveney said last night on Claire Byrne that they were at 5,000 a day.

RTE reported early last week at UCD lab that there were then testing 2,000 a day.

So why isn't it true?

Can you provide evidence to back up your numbers?

We have tested about 30,213 according to the HSE .Last week according to the HSE we had tested 17,992.
30213
-17992
=12221 divided by 7 days gives you 1745 per day tested.
The HSE said at the press conference today that they are testing 1500 per day, I speculated that they were testing more earlier in the week but ran out of equipment and now are on 1500 as they said but I do not know that for a fact.Below are the HSE documents that I took the numbers from
https://www.gov.ie/en/press-release/e378fd-statement-from-the-national-public-health-emergency-team-on-tuesday-/
https://www.gov.ie/en/press-release/5ac125-statement-from-the-national-public-health-emergency-team-31-march-20/

cameramonkey

nocoverart wrote: »

This constant back and forth bickering on this sh1t show of a thread can’t be healthy. I firmly believe most posters here actually don’t care about the pandemic itself. These people are more invested in winning a pointless debate to massage their own egos, and if that involves scaremongering to do so, they will.

Physician heal thyself.

Strazdas

Strazdas wrote: »

They could definitely do what you are suggesting. I believe NZ has taken on such powers.

Looks like only those entertaining who are symptomatic will be quarantined, all others are asked to isolate

https://www.immigration.govt.nz/about-us/covid-19/coronavirus-update-inz-response

MipMap

RandomViewer wrote: »

Depends where you are but there isn't a lot of testing going on, Lots of people with symptoms aren't even going to the doctor, real figures possibly 10 to 20 times what's being reported

completely correct. Saw something today where the CMO in Uk said this. Can't find it but it seems logical.


I cannot believe there are only 3200 odd cases in Ireland (all in isolation by the way) and yet it is still spreading.
Of course the levels of infection in the community are much higher.
And, BTW, no one in the HSE or Govt is denyiing this

JP Liz V1

RandomViewer wrote: »

I don't think the swabs are the issue, the labs and the manpower conduct the tests are

I thought centres were closed over no kits

JoChervil

Memnoch wrote: »

Can you show us Obama's comments making light of H1N1 and minimising it's impact? Can you demonstrate how he failed to listen to the advice that was given by experts as has clearly been the case for Trump?

Also your figures above are incorrect. https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resources/2009-h1n1-pandemic.html

12,000 deaths.

Not sure why I engaged with your whataboutry. Trump's actions can be easily judged on their own merits.

But it was a vaccine for H1N1 flu, so it was a completely different story....

MipMap

nocoverart wrote: »

This constant back and forth bickering on this sh1t show of a thread can’t be healthy. I firmly believe most posters here actually don’t care about the pandemic itself. These people are more invested in winning a pointless debate to massage their own egos, and if that involves scaremongering to do so, they will.

There is a degree of That, But the fact is that if there are any Virologists, Scientists, Epidemiologists, Nurses, Doctors or medical geniuses contributing to this thread then they should be ashamed of themselves that they are not out there fighting it instead of wasting their time here.


None of us are experts, If it were Nazis or the like we would all know what to do. With this we don't.

JP Liz V1

pH wrote: »

We can, but the Government is wasting valuable time.

We will need a rapid covid-19 response team:
- 2 hour response and test anywhere in the country
- Actual real quarantine (in covid19 hotels) of anyone testing positive.
- Testing and tracing of all contacts.
- 14 days self quarantine (monitored and legally enforced) for these contacts plus follow-up tests

Is our COVID19 task team Holohan, Reid and Harris?

MadYaker

smelly sock wrote: »

17 deaths is mental. Really harrowing stuff. I cant see things getting back to normal this year at all really. It'll take a vaccine for that.

To be honest, 3 weeks ago I was thinking by now they'd be announcing 40 or 50 deaths a day and cases in the tens of thousands.

Ficheall

MipMap wrote: »

If it were Nazis or the like we would all know what to do.

What would you do?

weldoninhio

murpho999 wrote: »

The whole world is struggling with the this crisis.

It's now a global crisis.

I don't see the point in turning this into a political issue and blaming our politicians with hilarious names.

15,000 tests a day is not a PR exercise, it's a target they are working towards and they ar presently at 5,000 a day. By tests I mean results, not just swabs. They were at 2,000 last week.
People do not accept it takes to get all these things up and running.

Constant sniping at politicians and other geniuses pointing out how they predicted this crisis the moment they heard a person in Wuhan had a sore throat is boring , and that the government should have gone full lock-down in February,achieve nothing and make this thread unreadable.

In the meantime our death rates remain low compared to other countries and that's nothing to do with the impact of the decisions taken by the government. It now means their forecasts were false.

We’ve been told tonight, by the head of testing, that the max we are doing is 1500 per day. The labs can process 1500. That’s 1500 results of testing per day. 5000 and 2000 are Mickey Mouse figures.

tikkahunter

So for everyone that thinks our government are doing such a **** job , please tell which country you would rather be in right now ?

cameramonkey

tikkahunter wrote: »

So for everyone that thinks our government are doing such a **** job , please tell which country you would rather be in right now ?

South Korea or Singapore.

SuperTortoise

voluntary wrote: »

$1000 per life maybe?

Or maybe $100,000.

pH

MipMap wrote: »

None of us are experts, If it were Nazis or the like we would all know what to do. With this we don't.

Oh wait I think know the answer to this one!

Is it "Declare ourselves neutral, stay out of everything entirely because it's not our business and send our condolences to the Nazi state when Herr Hitler committed suicide"

MipMap

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

Is our COVID19 task team Holohan, Reid and Harris?

And the W.H.O. And, Are we really doing that Badly?
This is a real crisis we have to set aside our cynicism of the past and
support them.

davedanon

cameramonkey wrote: »

South Korea or Singapore.

I think these are ranked 1 and 2, worldwide. So Ireland is no.3?

Sam Quentin

tikkahunter wrote: »

So for everyone that thinks our government are doing such a **** job , please tell which country you would rather be in right now ?

It's a very VERY tiny small minority of people who would suggest our Government are not doing enough... Nobody actually takes any notice of such negative Facebook'ish type commenty people.
That is the truth.

nocoverart

tikkahunter wrote: »

So for everyone that thinks our government are doing such a **** job , please tell which country you would rather be in right now ?

The New Republic of Elon Musk on Mars. Quite a mouthful but it’s lovely here : )

ChikiChiki

MipMap wrote: »

And the W.H.O. And, Are we really doing that Badly?
This is a real crisis we have to set aside our cynicism of the past and
support them.

Agree. We are doing good so far at managing case numbers.

Nursing home clusters have raised the death rates significantly. That cannot be ignored.

pH

pH wrote: »

Oh wait I think know the answer to this one!

Is it "Declare ourselves neutral, stay out of everything entirely because it's not our business and send our condolences to the Nazi state when Herr Hitler committed suicide"

Or we could intern any German air force and navy personal that ended up on our shores while allowing U.S. and U.K. personal who did return to England.