CoVid19 Part XII - 4,604 in ROI (137 deaths) 998 in NI (56 deaths)(04/04) **Read OP**

outsourced_ire

https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1245175971227095042


https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1245212679754715137

Doff

Rob A. Bank wrote: »

So you believe Trump did a good job ? :eek:

The World Health organization was informed about the beginning of the outbreak on December 31st 2019. Taiwan started it's mitigation efforts immediately.

In 2018, the Trump administration fired the government’s entire pandemic response chain of command, including the White House management infrastructure. If they had been around they would have sprung into action at the first whiff of a dangerous virus outbreak in China.

You must have been living under a stone not to realize that Trump has fu*ked up royally, in his management of this dangerous virus pandemic.

Yeah, this virus is all Trumps fault :rolleyes:

Multipass

Hrududu wrote: »

This might have already been discussed. But on the figures from last night. We've tightened the restrictions on who gets tested. Now we've gone from 6% of those tested being positive to 15%. But thats still very low. Is there a dose going around with multiple similar symptoms? Are they tests giving some false negatives? Are people convincing themselves that they have symptoms that they don't?

I presume they’re still testing relatives of sufferers, and health workers in contact with them - might contribute to so many negatives.

voluntary

Mehan2000 wrote: »

Iran’s deaths are low enough compared to Spain at that stage... hiding numbers ?

Any numbers coming from non-democratic countries should be taken with a pinch of salt.

murpho999

cameramonkey wrote: »

The official numbers have been widely published and linked to on this forum. The numbers are correct. you are being deliberately disingenuous.

No I responded to the post without seeing the other replies that came after

Even so, Wikipedia is not a fully reliable source of information as anybody can edit it.

facehugger99

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

If you're serious contact your next of kin, your GP or go to A&E immediately.

Ever wonder why our A&E's are such a mess?

This kind of bollox advice may be part of the problem.

OscarMIlde

Rob A. Bank wrote: »

Trump at last admits that this is not the flu and that the coronavirus is far more viscous. Three month too late, but I suppose better late than never. :rolleyes:

Meanwhile in South America, Brazil’s president Jair Bolsonaro has tried to reassure his citizens over the threat of coronavirus by claiming Brazilians can bathe in excrement “and nothing happens”. And he admits that he believes himself to be South America's 'Trump'.

The world has had enough of these dangerous right wing populist clowns.

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Not to mention that he has reportedly tested positive for it, and continues to interact with people as normal. Last week I read a report that 26 people closely associated with him, including his driver who was hospitalised, have tested positive for it. He is actually worse than Trump.

Professor Moriarty

Doff wrote: »

Yeah, this virus is all Trumps fault :rolleyes:

It's not. The terrible response is his fault though.

Rob A. Bank

Doff wrote: »

Yeah, this virus is all Trumps fault :rolleyes:

The virus is not his fault.

The totally inadequate US response is his fault.

Talisman

sydthebeat wrote: »

You've already said the public would have trouble understanding the median... So now you want to give them the mean AND the median

May as well throw a box plot in there as well, although the HSE may consider that a violation of some people's privacy.

Funsterdelux

Mehan2000 wrote: »

Iran’s deaths are low enough compared to Spain at that stage... hiding numbers ?

Alah only knows, people might be dying and not being tested etc.

If those satelite images of mass graves are real then the true figures could be much more

Sonics2k

Doff wrote: »

Yeah, this virus is all Trumps fault :rolleyes:

Literally no one said that. But Trump has not handled this well, just like many other world leaders.

marno21

Mehan2000 wrote: »

Iran’s deaths are low enough compared to Spain at that stage... hiding numbers ?

I wouldn’t trust the figures from Iran.

If Ireland and the UK are having issues obtaining some of the ingredients required from testing, I would be very surprised if Iran are able to successfully run a testing regime given their circumstances and the volume of cases they are likely facing.

gabeeg

Rob A. Bank wrote: »

The virus is not his fault.

The totally inadequate US response is his fault.

And the hundreds of thousands of needless deaths will be his fault.

Imagine having that on your CV

Doff

https://twitter.com/DrTedros/status/1242230036645785601

Bob24

Mehan2000 wrote: »

Iran’s deaths are low enough compared to Spain at that stage... hiding numbers ?

The question isn't whether they are fiddling with the numbers, it is more to which extend are they fiddling with the numbers.

Professor Moriarty

facehugger99 wrote: »

Ever wonder why our A&E's are such a mess?

This kind of bollox advice may be part of the problem.

If someone is actively suicidal, that advice is exactly what they should do. Covid-19 or no Covid-19. In this matter, I am right. If you disagree, you don't know what you are talking about. Furthermore, it is reckless to disagree with proper advice in such matters. If that person is actively suicidal they should contact NoK, GP or go to A&E immediately. No ifs, buts or maybe.

is_that_so

gabeeg wrote: »

And the hundreds of thousands of needless deaths will be his fault.

Imagine having that on your CV

It will be "great" that only so many have died and his "brilliant" actions will have saved millions.

OscarMIlde

Hrududu wrote: »

This might have already been discussed. But on the figures from last night. We've tightened the restrictions on who gets tested. Now we've gone from 6% of those tested being positive to 15%. But thats still very low. Is there a dose going around with multiple similar symptoms? Are they tests giving some false negatives? Are people convincing themselves that they have symptoms that they don't?

I heard some medic on the radio say that a number of people tested for coronavirus were negative for coronavirus but positive for a particular strain of flu which is also circulating at the moment. It made me wonder whether the difference in test waiting times may be that people in areas where this flu strain are circulating are being triaged out as less likely to be positive for coronavirus. Pure speculation on my part.

Professor Moriarty

gabeeg wrote: »

And the hundreds of thousands of needless deaths will be his fault.

Imagine having that on your CV

He doesn't care. Getting reelected is all that matters.

Bob24

Doff wrote: »

https://twitter.com/DrTedros/status/1242230036645785601

I've said before that statements from the WHO are at least as much politically driven as medically driven (in the context of them recommending against widespread use of masks to cover for unprepared European governments).

Here we have another obvious example of them saving face for a government's poor handling of the situation :-)

Sam Russell

yosser hughes wrote: »

Does anyone know why the cargo received from China was transported on Army trucks and Garda outriders with cameras rolling to capture the whole exercise?
I've seen it replayed several times.
To me it looked like a propaganda exercise.

You do realise it cost €20 million, and was needed to be transported quickly for distribution. A prison officer was sacked for misappropriating such equipment.

murpho999

tobefrank321 wrote: »

All community cases stemmed originally from overseas travel, whether it was direct or indirect contact. The government don't even know where hundreds of people were infected which is also worrying. It could be here, it could be abroad. It could be from someone returning from abroad.

We can spend the next two weeks in lockdown, but that will only slow down community transmission for those two weeks. If we don't put restrictions on those coming in and quarantine people for 2 weeks before they enter the community, we will back to square one and forced into more lockdowns, only this time very severe ones that will collapse the economy.

Its amazing how with fairly simple steps like limiting people coming here except for very good reasons such as Irish stranded abroad or doctors returning home, it can have a positive knock-on effect in terms of lockdowns and the economy.

So yes I will keep banging on about flights. I know you are perfectly ok with people coming in unscreened, with no temperature checks from hot spots or quarantine and allowed back into the community, which in turn will cause more local transmission and community cases. This kind of liberal approach has been shown to be a failure. When you impose restrictions you have to impose restrictions on those who enter the country, otherwise you are wasting your time and we will be back to square one every couple of weeks.

There's hardly anybody travelling. You make it sound like thousands of Italians from Lombardy are boarding flights to Dublin and then running rampage.

There's hardly any aviation activity now.

21 flights scheduled to land in Dublin today and none from the "hotspots".

Dublin Arrivals today

Also, temperature check that is not really effective as most people will not have a temperature or any symptoms.

is_that_so

Bob24 wrote: »

I've said before that statements from the WHO are at least as much politically driven as medically driven (in the context of them recommending against widespread use of masks). Here we have another example :-)

It's more of an example of please listen to us and do what you should be doing in all of these areas. Calling him a wonderful guy in language he understands is how you try to keep him on point.

BanditLuke

Doff wrote: »

Yeah, this virus is all Trumps fault :rolleyes:

Always amazes me the amont of posts on here about the fool Trump. He's one of many leaders who's made a mess of this. Funny thing is the same ones bashing Trump will call you a racist when you bring up the real leader responsible for this mess Xi Jinping.

owlbethere

dublin99 wrote: »

Japanese experiment and micro droplet theory that virus can spread during conversation. This may explain the spread in say business meetings and over dinner.

Masks can reduce the risk.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vBvFkQizTT4

This would go a long way in explaining the nursing home situation if masks are not worn during the every day activities. Then if a worker shows symptoms they go home and self isolates, it might be too late. Virus shedding has occurred through breath before symptoms occurred or were noticed. The same goes for important visitors like residents family to a care home.

igCorcaigh

Talisman wrote: »

You're wrong. The mean isn't used because it is skewed by outliers, particularly where age is concerned.

For example, for a sample set [14, 25, 36, 45, 47, 65, 76, 95, 104].
The mean average is 56.33 -> 56.
The median is 47.

The median tells you the middle value -> half the values are above and below.

Prof is right in this case, median would tend to the higher age group. It's a good measure.

Rob A. Bank

Doff wrote: »

Yeah, this virus is all Trumps fault :rolleyes:

This barchart speaks for itself with regard to Trump's lack of response to the virus.

Think Italy was bad ? An enormous human tragedy is unfolding in the USA.

Funsterdelux

Doff wrote: »

https://twitter.com/DrTedros/status/1242230036645785601

Did Trump write that himself?

FVP3

pH wrote: »

Oh wait I think know the answer to this one!

Is it "Declare ourselves neutral, stay out of everything entirely because it's not our business and send our condolences to the Nazi state when Herr Hitler committed suicide"

Except for the last part, that was relatively sane behaviour.

Kivaro

paw patrol wrote: »

I don't get this attitude , why is trump singled out for something that is 3 months too late...?

go back 3 months and you'll find the only people in the west concerned about this were people like alex jones. Others in the US with like governors etc who have direct local power - were actually encouraging people to get out and socialise
Putin was bothered by it but only end of jan . Outside of asia he was probably the first to act.

Until quite recently we weren't sure it would even get to Ireland....but as you know - skiers gotta ski.

And to add to that, the Mayor of New Orleans was the person who decided that Mardi Gras should be held this year in late February. This was an insane decision, as you are all aware what happens e.g. sharing of drinks, kissing/hugging, and the throwing/sharing of beads.
New Orelans is now an epicenter for Covid-19 in the States.

Guess who she (the Mayor) is blaming now?
Yep, Trump and the Federal Government. But she was the person who allowed it to go ahead ......... while there were reports at the time from all around the world of the carnage it was already causing.

Ger Roe

Sonics2k wrote: »

Literally no one said that. But Trump has not handled this well, just like many other world leaders.

I can't watch his pressers anymore. All the main players huddled together on the Whitehouse briefing stage, taking turns at the single microphone while all pawing the same lecturn to stress their point. It is miles away from our controlled and spaced briefings.

Then he gets up to talk and mumbles random words in repetition without getting to any point, before asking Mike Pence to come to the mic and explain what he was trying to say, as he backs off looking smug. It's even better when he tries to explain graphs on the screen behind him. He obviously has no clue what they mean - again repeat random words that someone else has said while waving his arms in the general direction of the graphic, being careful not to indicate anything specific in the very likely event that his 'explanation' is incorrect.

It would be comedic, if it wasn't so serious. I really wish one of the actual experts on the podium would just stand up and call him out for the idiot that he is, it must be so frustrating for them, having to continuously correct his utterings without offending his ego, but if they put up with it day after day, then they are also part of the problem.

BruteStock

Is there a thread that relates directly to college exams and that type of thing? Somebody told me that this years students will be given marks regardless of whether they earned them or not due to the situation being beyond their control.
It could lead to a lot of repeat years if this goes on till Sept which some are predicting will happen.

citysights

Fergal Bowers on RTE reporting on a story where a swab in a nursing home was taken, but the swab wasn’t returned positive or negative and the patient has since died. The person who passed will now be treated as if they were covid positive by the funeral directors with all of the strict funeral arrangements that entails. How is a person covid positive in this circumstance with no test resul returned?

paw patrol

sydthebeat wrote: »

You've already said the public would have trouble understanding the median... So now you want to give them the mean AND the median

i'll give you that , a quality dig:D

reporting both will ensure we have full info but also the people who don't understand it will know that median isn't average.

Funsterdelux

I think anyone entering the country should have their temp taken, questions about their movements the previous few days before arriving, 2 weeks quarrantine and they should have to take the leaving cert, 6 subjects, irish english maths complusary

owlbethere

murpho999 wrote: »

There's hardly anybody travelling. You make it sound like thousands of Italians from Lombardy are boarding flights to Dublin and then running rampage.

There's hardly any aviation activity now.

21 flights scheduled to land in Dublin today and none from the "hotspots".

Dublin Arrivals today

Also, temperature check that is not really effective as most people will not have a temperature or any symptoms.

I find this sad an ironic. If they stopped flights from the hotspot/s at the end of February and implemented other measures, we would be in a better position. Half the workforce probably wouldn't be shut down right now. Now, aviation has come to a halt along with a sizable portion of the countries workforce.

RentDayBlues

BruteStock wrote: »

Is there a thread that relates directly to college exams and that type of thing? Somebody told me that this years students will be given marks regardless of whether they earned them or not due to the situation being beyond their control.
It could lead to a lot of repeat years if this goes on till Sept which some are predicting will happen.

And was this a reliable source???

Colleges are putting other grading systems in place - online, coursework etc

Professor Moriarty

paw patrol wrote: »

i'll give you that , a quality dig:D

reporting both will ensure we have full info but also the people who don't understand it will know that median isn't average.

Don't be so mean.

Bob24

is_that_so wrote: »

It's more of an example of please listen to us and do what you should be doing in all of these areas. Calling him a wonderful guy in language he understands is how you try to keep him on point.

Which as I said is more of a political statement than than a statement reflecting medical expertise.

Everybody can see that from a medical perspective it is a nonsense to say he’s been doing a great job at handling the situation.

And to be clear I’m not saying the WHO don’t know what they are doing. Just reiterating that political considerations are intentionally built-in what they say and thus any of their statements/recommendations should not be taken as a raw medical opinion as some have been doing.

Talisman

igCorcaigh wrote: »

Prof is right in this case, median would tend to the higher age group. It's a good measure.

I wasn't replying to Prof.

And median is the correct measure.

wadacrack

https://twitter.com/FergalBowers/status/1245272347101343745

FVP3

Bob24 wrote: »

The question isn't whether they are fiddling with the numbers, it is more to which extend are they fiddling with the numbers.

Another enemy of the west fiddling with the numbers. It's crazy how the enemies of the US in particular are so bad with their stats. This has particularly ramped up since the US took the leadership in world cases.

Professor Moriarty

paw patrol wrote: »

I don't get you?

It's a pun.

harr

Was speaking to a nurse this morning who is involved in one of the testing locations and she said it’s a disaster.. little or no testing being carried out , her location only carried 24 tests on Monday and its down to the huge backlogs in the labs .
Thousands probably more walking around spreading this. She told me to take no notice of the official figures as in the reality the amount of people infected is multiples of the official number.

josip

mean = average

paw patrol

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

It's a pun.

ah!
I got it in the end :eek: but by then deleted post....
sorry!

igCorcaigh

citysights wrote: »

Fergal Bowers on RTE reporting on a story where a swab in a nursing home was taken, but the swab wasn’t returned positive or negative and the patient has since died. The person who passed will now be treated as if they were covid positive by the funeral directors with all of the strict funeral arrangements that entails. How is a person covid positive in this circumstance with no test resul returned?

Perhaps the symptoms are well known now, given the patient's history, that it's sufficient? I don't know. Lack of testing will skew the numbers otherwise?

I was looking at the 1918 flu pandemic recently, and the uncertainty about the numbers, thinking it was about historical reasons. They had no PCR kit in those days. But here we are in 2020, and still uncertain.

We will never know.

stretchaq

harr wrote: »

Was speaking to a nurse this morning who is involved in one of the testing locations and she said it’s a disaster.. little or no testing being carried out , her location only carried 24 tests on Monday and its down to the huge backlogs in the labs .
Thousands probably more walking around spreading this. She told me to take no notice of the official figures as in the reality the amount of people infected is multiples of the official number.

did she send you a whatsapp aswell

IspeakcozIcan

Testing is really descending into a complete mess now. This is terrible. Nursing home resident was tested on 23 March and no results received, subsequently died last night and still don't know whether they were positive or negative.


https://twitter.com/FergalBowers/status/1245272347101343745