CoVid19 Part XII - 4,604 in ROI (137 deaths) 998 in NI (56 deaths)(04/04) **Read OP**

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BanditLuke wrote: »

A lot of self entitled sorts around that location so no surprise really.

A lot of people doing well for themselves and the odd arsehole in the mix but you'll have that anywhere.

obi604

I see Tony Holohan is in hospital - for something unrelated to Corona

Probably stress. Not surprised. Every day on the nations airwaves, high pressure stuff.

Akabusi

Akabusi wrote: »

No problem, when the HSE rang me with my result, they asked me when i last had any of the symptoms. As I had been clear for 8 days when they rang they said I was now free to stop self isolating. I mentioned my sons symptoms and the advice was that the rest of the family enter a new two week self isolation. We all have been house bound since the 15th March. I have one of the masks I got when being tested, i'll be wearing this in the supermarket. Also just before i leave I will change into newly cleaned clothes before leaving the house for fear of the virus being on what I'm wearing and I bring it out with me.

Now that you were confirmed positive and recovered, you have no need to wear a mask as you are clear of the virus, and immune to reinfection. Good hygiene both leaving and returning to the house are important lest you either bring it from your household, or bring it into the rest of your family.

As the country moves forward issuing people such as yourself "recovered" certs may be important. There is no reason why, while adhering to good hygiene practices, you should not be permitted to travel more freely, especially if one was in a position to aid the most vulnerable.

neckedit

Doctors room ghost wrote: »

I wouldn’t trust them to tell you the time of day not to mind test results.

Haha... love it.

deise08

Maybe some of the journalists reading this can ask at the conference...

Is it the mean age being given or median age?
Ask it twice just to clarify.
Then we'll know once and for all when we hear it from the horses mouth.

Inquitus

the.red.baron

The Indian numbers must be the most sketchy on the list

Allinall

deise08 wrote: »

Maybe some of the journalists reading this can ask at the conference...

Is it the mean age being given or median age?
Ask it twice just to clarify.
Then we'll know once and for all when we hear it from the horses mouth.

It's the median.

they say it clearly in every press conference.

Roger_007

GooglePlus wrote: »

That would make the average age of death for a smoker 65, which is prime pickings for Covid-19, especially if you're a smoker.

Plenty of smokers living past that as well I'm sure.

I think we’ll have to wait until all the stats relating to this episode are analysed before jumping to any conclusions. It will be important to know for the future which health conditions put people at most risk from this type of outbreak. Many conditions can leave our immune systems compromised.

Martina1991

Ashleigh1986 wrote:

I live near one of the test centres in galway . The numbers attending to be tested has plummeted to just a handful per day . It's obvious there's a major backlog in actual tests that have been done BUT THE DELAY IS IN THE LABS THAT ARE DOING THE SAMPLES . Does anyone know how many people are actually processing the samples ??? What's the point of doing tests if they results cannot be returned in a 3 day period. What expertise is required to carry out these tests ? Why aren't more people been recruited / shifted form certain work to speed up this process ?

Delays are due to an international shortage of reagents.

Testing was being carried out in 12 labs around the country and being ramped up on a daily basis until suppliers couldn't fulfil demand. That is not the fault of the government or the labs.

Even if results were turned around in 3 days people should still isolate for 14 days. Anyone with a fever, fatigue, chest tightness etc shouldn't be rushing back to work because they were negative.

And even if they are negative, we should all be isolating anyway. Not having the virus now doesnt mean you won't contract it next week.

Medical Scientists or clinical scientists carry out the tests in accredited laboratories. Some staff have been acquired to help with the pre-analytical processes but testing has to be performed by qualified personnel.

Inquitus

the.red.baron wrote: »

The Indian numbers must be the most sketchy on the list

Yep, they are not testing at all extensively, they don't have the capacity to, or the hospital beds for this, once it gets embedded in the community there they are in big trouble.

LuckyLloyd

GooglePlus wrote: »

These restrictions sound great on paper but I was on lower Baggot St. yesterday and the place was bustling.

Went for a walk yesterday evening to Herbert Park and there was loads out. A Garda van was driving around the park but no interventions at all. Loads in threes and fours out kicking ball or just hanging out.

Well I live on lower Baggot St and the first part of your post is a complete lie.

It is quieter here than the quietest Sunday during the day, and practically deserted after business hours.

Bear in mind that this is one of the busiest streets in the entire country during the working week, it is all about relativity in terms of analysing the effect of the restrictions.

ArchXStanton

Relation of mine was taken away in an ambulance yesterday and tested positive for corona, seemingly he picked it up in Italy were he drives trucks, that's 4 cases in my town with 1 dead. A bit too close to home

jackboy

Martina1991 wrote: »

Delays are due to an international shortage of reagents.

Any idea what country the reagent is manufactured in? Is there just one company producing the reagent?

cameramonkey

Doctors room ghost wrote: »

I wouldn’t trust them to tell you the time of day not to mind test results.

If we need more tests done quickly we should send some away if there is capacity somewhere else. Each batch could have known Positive/ negative control samples in them so that we could verify that those samples were correct. We could also send samples that have been split in to an A and B sample and then test our A sample when we have the capacity.This is what they do for drug tests for athletes.


The regime for testing is broken at the moment and we need to face up to that, it is a vital part of the fight against the pandemic. Testing means that we know where to target our resources and it means that we can get vital health care workers back into the system quicker when we know they are negative.

Away With The Fairies

Martina1991 wrote: »

Delays are due to an international shortage of reagents.

Testing was being carried out in 12 labs around the country and being ramped up on a daily basis until suppliers couldn't fulfil demand. That is not the fault of the government or the labs.

Even if results were turned around in 3 days people should still isolate for 14 days. Anyone with a fever, fatigue, chest tightness etc shouldn't be rushing back to work because they were negative.

And even if they are negative, we should all be isolating anyway. Not having the virus now doesnt mean you won't contract it next week.

Medical Scientists or clinical scientists carry out the tests in accredited laboratories. Some staff have been acquired to help with the pre-analytical processes but testing has to be performed by qualified personnel.

How long should someone be symptom free before returning to normal?

stephenjmcd

obi604 wrote: »

I see Tony Holohan is in hospital - for something unrelated to Corona

Probably stress. Not surprised. Every day on the nations airwaves, high pressure stuff.

Hope he gets well soon. The weeks of non stop work must be taking their toll. Not a day goes by that hes not doing interviews somewhere.

tobefrank321

Martina1991 wrote: »

Delays are due to an international shortage of reagents.

Testing was being carried out in 12 labs around the country and being ramped up on a daily basis until suppliers couldn't fulfil demand. That is not the fault of the government or the labs.

Even if results were turned around in 3 days people should still isolate for 14 days. Anyone with a fever, fatigue, chest tightness etc shouldn't be rushing back to work because they were negative.

And even if they are negative, we should all be isolating anyway. Not having the virus now doesnt mean you won't contract it next week.

Medical Scientists or clinical scientists carry out the tests in accredited laboratories. Some staff have been acquired to help with the pre-analytical processes but testing has to be performed by qualified personnel.

Question Martina. If you don't have a positive covid 19 test result, can you apply for government assistance? Many people will be tempted to keep working if they haven't got a test result.

Cork Boy 53

Tanner Cold Needlepoint wrote: »

This is why I have been highlighting it as the number in ICU will be less, possibly much less than the numbers quoted.

They should be reporting the current figure but they are not.

Why do you think this is ? Incompetence or something else?

poppers

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Hope he gets well soon. The weeks of non stop work must be taking their toll. Not a day goes by that hes not doing interviews somewhere.

Seen quotes on here yesterday that he held his chest and seemed to say he didnt feel well during the press conference

stephenjmcd

poppers wrote: »

Seen quotes on here yesterday that he held his chest and seemed to say he didnt feel well during the press conference

Yeah he did during the press conference.

RTE reporting hes in for tests, expected to be released tomorrow and deputy cmo Ronan Glynn will head up this evenings press conference.

Non covid related for the CMO they also say.

Cork Boy 53

Dr.Tony Holohan is in hospital for tests after feeling unwell although it is being stated that it is not thought to be directly related to the virus.

Roger_007

Inquitus wrote: »

Yep, they are not testing at all extensively, they don't have the capacity to, or the hospital beds for this, once it gets embedded in the community there they are in big trouble.

Everyone is assuming that India and countries like it are going to be in big trouble. That not necessarily so. Many of the countries with poorly developed health systems tend to have much younger populations. It could be that they will be hit less hard than the more developed countries!

poppers

GooglePlus wrote: »

These restrictions sound great on paper but I was on lower Baggot St. yesterday and the place was bustling.

Went for a walk yesterday evening to Herbert Park and there was loads out. A Garda van was driving around the park but no interventions at all. Loads in threes and fours out kicking ball or just hanging out.

So its ok for you to be out but everyone else should stay indoors

cnocbui

babybuilder wrote: »

Not a hope

I think there is every chance. There are two populations - those known to be infected and in hospital and those who are unknowns in lock-down. Anyone in lock-down who has the virus is very likely to pass it on to everyone else in the same household. If someone went into lock-down very soon after being infected, then worse case scenario is it won't present for 14 days, but realistically, the average is 4-5 days. So in a 4 person household, even with a very unlikely chain of infection from one person to another in sequence, 20 days would likely see it play out. A month is enough for the very unlikely scenario of a 14 day incubation then infection of another person where it again takes 14 days. So 28 days should cover it.

Obviously anyone developing a serious case in the lock-down population would be transferred to the hospital population.

So a month should allow for the lock-down to be lifted, but then you really would want to limit flights and have screening at airports and ferries. Schools could re-open, but realistically, you can scratch this year and might as well hold off until September and repeat the current year next year.

easypazz

poppers wrote: »

So its ok for you to be out but everyone should stay indoors

We are all allowed out.

nacho libre

Tanner Cold Needlepoint wrote: »

This is why I have been highlighting it as the number in ICU will be less, possibly much less than the numbers quoted.

They should be reporting the current figure but they are not.

Could it be the advice from their pr people is to be debliberately vague about whether it is the current total or the total from the start of the outbreak?

cnocbui

poppers wrote: »

So its ok for you to be out but everyone else should stay indoors

2km allowed for exercise, have you not heard?

lbj666

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Yeah he did during the press conference.

RTE reporting hes in for tests, expected to be released tomorrow and deputy cmo Ronan Glynn will head up this evenings press conference.

Non covid related for the CMO they also say.

Lest no forget he was on the late late with tubs Friday before last, he's been bouncing around so much it wouldn't shock me.

iamwhoiam

easypazz wrote: »

We are all allowed out.

No, Over 70's and vulnerable people are asked not to go out

podgeandrodge

Akrasia wrote: »

That has to be the most irresponsible article I have seen in a very long time. Its trying to spread a rumour that will cause panic buying of alcohol and could cause crowding in shops that could end up costing lives.

Utterly shameful

Have to agree, when tensions are running high, this was highly irresponsible.

poppers

cnocbui wrote: »

2km allowed for exercise, have you not heard?

i have but why highlight that they met people when they were out as if it was an issue,

Sam Russell

murpho999 wrote: »

I really don't think it would have.

Let's take Italy as an example.

If Irish skiers (which I think is where a lot of infections here have come from) in Italy were denied flights home they would have traveled him via another route, such as Austria, France or Switzerland. They would not have simply stayed in Italy.

These people probably went to Italy, caught the virus, and came home before even the first death in Italy.

Trumps stopped European flights with little impact.

The virus was already in the community here before any concerns about Italy or Spain were apparant.

According to https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ the first case in the USA was Jan 20th. There was no action by Trump at the time, except to say it was a hoax.

castletownman

lbj666 wrote: »

Lest no forget he was on the late late with tubs Friday before last, he's been bouncing around so much it wouldn't shock me.

I never understood the need to drag him around to every media commitment apart from the daily briefing. The man has enough on his plate as it is.

stephenjmcd

lbj666 wrote: »

Lest no forget he was on the late late with tubs Friday before last, he's been bouncing around so much it wouldn't shock me.

Well last night he was signaling towards more of the chest area.
They've said it's not covid related anyway.

To be fair theres been alot of people around tubs, that night you mentioned for example they had figures from HSE, Gov and members of the ambulance service.

cnocbui

Roger_007 wrote: »

Everyone is assuming that India and countries like it are going to be in big trouble. That not necessarily so. Many of the countries with poorly developed health systems tend to have much younger populations. It could be that they will be hit less hard than the more developed countries!

I don't see that. Yes the population is younger on average but because of 1.3 billion people, or whatever it is, the sheer numbers of people likely to get it seriously and die are just huge - exceeding in number the entire populations of entire countries. The dead would number in the millions.

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LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Well I live on lower Baggot St and the first part of your post is a complete lie.

It is quieter here than the quietest Sunday during the day, and practically deserted after business hours.

Bear in mind that this is one of the busiest streets in the entire country during the working week, it is all about relativity in terms of analysing the effect of the restrictions.

It is not a lie, I was there between 1-2pm yesterday and the place was bustling, I couldn't get over it.

I was in the queue for Tesco, who in fairness to them are keeping strict distancing measures in place, and I had people walking by me every few seconds to the point that I felt uneasy.

The bunching of Deliveroo drivers and people collecting orders outside the likes of Boojum and that didn't help matters either.

It was far from a quiet Sunday anyway.

Cork Boy 53

nacho libre wrote: »

Could it be the advice from their pr people is to be debliberately vague about whether it is the current total or the total from the start of the outbreak?

If their PR people are advising them to be deliberately vague then they should be sacked for incompetence.

stephenjmcd

castletownman wrote: »

I never understood the need to drag him around to every media commitment apart from the daily briefing. The man has enough on his plate as it is.

Likewise, even after the daily press conference rte tend to have him on the 9 news and he basically repeats himself, I dont know what else they expect him to say.

Then by half 7 or 8 the next morning hes on morning Ireland. Between all of that and the work he has to do in the office and on the committees I dont know where he finds the time to sleep.

He must be exhausted at this stage

cameramonkey

Martina1991 wrote: »

Delays are due to an international shortage of reagents.

Testing was being carried out in 12 labs around the country and being ramped up on a daily basis until suppliers couldn't fulfil demand. That is not the fault of the government or the labs.

Even if results were turned around in 3 days people should still isolate for 14 days. Anyone with a fever, fatigue, chest tightness etc shouldn't be rushing back to work because they were negative.

And even if they are negative, we should all be isolating anyway. Not having the virus now doesnt mean you won't contract it next week.

Medical Scientists or clinical scientists carry out the tests in accredited laboratories. Some staff have been acquired to help with the pre-analytical processes but testing has to be performed by qualified personnel.

How many test are they doing at the moment do you know?

0gac3yjefb5sv7

SuperTortoise wrote: »

I think when people see close to 1000 people die per day as we see in Italy and Spain it might re-focus their thoughts.


That's another positive aspect of testing as much as possible, when we see a couple of hundred positive tests per day people might think sure we're grand , nothing to worry about, when in fact the true number is probably closer to 10 times that ammount.

Are you talking about deaths in Ireland hitting 1000 a day? Not a hope. So much fear mongering on here :rolleyes:

owlbethere

bmcc10 wrote: »

There has been a huge shift here past few days. Coincidently it's all after the cancellation of the Olympics.

Were they trying to underplay the situation there so the Olympics would go ahead.

cnocbui

cameramonkey wrote: »

How many test are they doing at the moment do you know?

Doesn't the test capacity limit of 1500 get mentioned about every 4 pages?

Ace2007

castletownman wrote: »

I never understood the need to drag him around to every media commitment apart from the daily briefing. The man has enough on his plate as it is.

I think it because a certain cohort of people will not listen to Leo and Simon, as they are the government and not the expert. By having a independent expert - more people may listen.

He talks very clearly and is excellent in what he does, but i do feel there is no need for him to be at every briefing.

owlbethere

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

Dr.Tony Holohan is in hospital for tests after feeling unwell although it is being stated that it is not thought to be directly related to the virus.

I hope he feels better soon.

Cork Boy 53

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

Why do you think this is ? Incompetence or something else?

nacho libre wrote: »

Could it be the advice from their pr people is to be debliberately vague about whether it is the current total or the total from the start of the outbreak?

I don't think it's incompetence its definitely intentional. I also dont think the HSE are vague they have been consistent in all their reports, its journalists etc and even doctors who are saying they are current (quoting the hse accumulated figure).

I dont know why, possibly to make things look worse than they are to keep people on track with the measures in place thats pure speculation though. They may have reasons we are not aware of.

Ace2007

Pheonix10 wrote: »

Are you talking about deaths in Ireland hitting 1000 a day? Not a hope. So much fear mongering on here :rolleyes:

Not a hope because of the measures we have put in place? or just not have a hope.

What's the highest death recorded per day we'll get to do you think?

saabsaab

A bit off topic but relevant..


The current crisis will promote a move to a universalbasic payment. Millions are now looking for state money who would never have thought it possible a few weeks ago. If such a payment system was already in place this would not be necessary and social welfare systems would not be needed.

Busi_Girl08

Interesting how, in ther midst of all of this and all the retail restrictions...Aldi are selling garden furniture. https://www.aldi.ie/c/specialbuys/dates/2020-04-02?sort=popular&q=%3Apopular%3AtransactionalStatus%3Atransactional%3AtransactionalStatus%3Anontransactional%3AEvent%3AGarden&page=1

Doctor Jimbob

cnocbui wrote: »

Doesn't the test capacity limit of 1500 get mentioned about every 4 pages?

At the moment yes, but the rate is growing exponentially. By the end of the week, it will be mentioned approximately every 2 pages, and by the middle of the month every post in the thread will be referring to the test capacity.