CoVid19 Part XII - 4,604 in ROI (137 deaths) 998 in NI (56 deaths)(04/04) **Read OP**

owlbethere

Doctors room ghost wrote: »

I don’t know how anyone in Ireland can smoke these days with the price of the fcukers.14 euro for 20 smokes.70 fcukin cent a piece.
That’s an expensive hobby and the same ones complaining they have no money then.
God be with the days when you got your 10 fageens for 2 pound or even before it a single and a match for 10pence

They should be at least €100 a box now. Especially considering there is an alternative and some people will argue with the next bit I'm going to write. There is a better alternative - vaping.

This crisis could be used to wipe out cigarettes entirely from the population so long as they don't target them little vape juice bottles of 10ml the same way as cigarettes.

Gynoid

saabsaab wrote: »

A bit off topic but relevant..


The current crisis will promote a move to a universalbasic payment. Millions are now looking for state money who would never have thought it possible a few weeks ago. If such a payment system was already in place this would not be necessary and social welfare systems would not be needed.

It could even be used as a test period for UBI. Since it is basically happening anyway.

eagle eye

Ace2007 wrote:

I think it because a certain cohort of people will not listen to Leo and Simon, as they are the government and not the expert. By having a independent expert - more people may listen.

It's no surprise that people wouldn't listen to those two clowns.
They are responsible for things being as bad as they are here. We knew before this virus arrived on our doorstep just how bad it was but instead of getting ahead of the curve and shutting everything down they just did nothing.
I'm not alone amongst ordinary who started taking precautions and locked ourselves down over four weeks ago. Those idiots only brought it to a serious level five days ago.

wadacrack

This is a very sad

https://twitter.com/gazzahead/status/1245040219033911296

owlbethere

When all this blows over I could definitely see the need for something like a human NCT being needed.

Roger_007

Pheonix10 wrote: »

Are you talking about deaths in Ireland hitting 1000 a day? Not a hope. So much fear mongering on here :rolleyes:

The average death rate in Ireland in ‘normal’ times is between 80 and 90 per day depending on the time of year. I think some people are under the impression that if it wasn’t for Covid there would hardly be any deaths at all.
To put it in context, if we were unfortunate enough to reach the level they have in Italy, we would have about 40 per day from Covid. Hopefully that won’t happen.

Cork Boy 53

owlbethere wrote: »

Were they trying to underplay the situation there so the Olympics would go ahead.

Undoubtedly they were.

easypazz

wadacrack wrote: »

This is a very sad

https://twitter.com/gazzahead/status/1245040219033911296

What is sad is using his death to have a cheap dig at Leo and others.

Tony EH

Gynoid wrote: »

It could even be used as a test period for UBI. Since it is basically happening anyway.

UBI will probably mean the dismantling of the normal welfare state and in the end wouldn't be a good idea as UBI will end up not being able to cover living costs in the long run. Especially in healthcare.

gabeeg

Denmark - 232 new cases, 14 deaths
Norway - 64 new cases, 2 deaths (so far)
Sweden - 512 new cases, 59 deaths

Imagine being the Swedish PM right now as it begins to dawn on you that you've condemned countless thousands of your countrymen to death with idiotic policy.

jos28

lbj666 wrote: »

Lest no forget he was on the late late with tubs Friday before last, he's been bouncing around so much it wouldn't shock me.

:eek::eek:He can't be sick, we need Tony !!

trashcan

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

Dr.Tony Holohan is in hospital for tests after feeling unwell although it is being stated that it is not thought to be directly related to the virus.

Wouldn't be surprised if its stress related. He must be under a huge strain.

MOR316

owlbethere wrote: »

When all this blows over I could definitely see the need for something like a human NCT being needed.

Like an annual check up with your Doctor?

cameramonkey

cnocbui wrote: »

Doesn't the test capacity limit of 1500 get mentioned about every 4 pages?

The poster seems to have been able to have a rough idea of the amount of total test done a day or two before the figures were announced, although they were out by about 3000 so I was wondering if they had some insight that we don't have. The 1500 mentioned at the press conference is slightly confusing as the official numbers released by the HSE say that an average per day for the last week is 1745.

I think you should look at the official figures rather than mindlessly believe what is written every four pages, weren't we putting 5000 test through the labs every day according to some poster here and anyone who suggest otherwise was trying to cause panic.

Ace2007

eagle eye wrote: »

It's no surprise that people wouldn't listen to those two clowns.
They are responsible for things being as bad as they are here. We knew before this virus arrived on our doorstep just how bad it was but instead of getting ahead of the curve and shutting everything down they just did nothing.
I'm not alone amongst ordinary who started taking precautions and locked ourselves down over four weeks ago. Those idiots only brought it to a serious level five days ago.

Why make personal attack of the ministers in government - they are following medical advice - what party do you want in power -SF not exactly doing much in the north although they are in a power sharing agreement - do you want to follow the UK or US or maybe even adopt the Swedish model?

And yet we have other posters posting linked about Italy and Greece were the population is getting sick of lock down and unrest is brewing.

It was set out from the very start that there were different stages.

How long are you prepared to be in lockdown as you say?

gabeeg

easypazz wrote: »

What is sad is using his death to have a cheap dig at Leo and others.

It's not a cheap dig. They let it happen.

The dogs in the street knew it would lead to deaths. Holohan and co did not.

Fr_Dougal

wadacrack wrote: »

This is a very sad

https://twitter.com/gazzahead/status/1245040219033911296

It’s also from some random twitter account, I would take it with a very large pinch of salt.

wadacrack

easypazz wrote: »

What is sad is using his death to have a cheap dig at Leo and others.

Yea should have left that out of it

easypazz

gabeeg wrote: »

Denmark - 232 new cases, 14 deaths
Norway - 64 new cases, 2 deaths (so far)
Sweden - 512 new cases, 59 deaths

Imagine being the Swedish PM right now as it begins to dawn on you that you've condemned countless thousands of your countrymen to death with idiotic policy.

Donald Trump was praising himself last night, we might have 100000 dead but if it wasn't for me it could have been 2 million.

It will be interesting to see how America votes if USA comes out near the top of the table in terms of per capita deaths.

Ice Storm

An update from Gavan Reilly on ICU numbers.

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1245289339086680075?s=19

Cork Boy 53

gabeeg wrote: »

Denmark - 232 new cases, 14 deaths
Norway - 64 new cases, 2 deaths (so far)
Sweden - 512 new cases, 59 deaths

Imagine being the Swedish PM right now as it begins to dawn on you that you've condemned countless thousands of your countrymen to death with idiotic policy.

The same could be and is being said about Boris Johnson.

JPCN1

owlbethere wrote: »

When all this blows over I could definitely see the need for something like a human NCT being needed.

That's very scary thought, more worthy of North Korea.

owlbethere

MOR316 wrote: »

Like an annual check up with your Doctor?

With some people not showing symptoms of this but reports says lungs can still show some scarring and I read this can also target other organs. The function of other organs will have to be tested like liver, kidneys - can GPS and run them kind of tests.

easypazz

gabeeg wrote: »

It's not a cheap dig. They let it happen.

The dogs in the street knew it would lead to deaths. Holohan and co did not.

And so surely die the old man, but he went to a high risk area anyway?

Like I said its sad that people are trying to use a death to score cheap shots

0gac3yjefb5sv7

Ace2007 wrote: »

Not a hope because of the measures we have put in place? or just not have a hope.

What's the highest death recorded per day we'll get to do you think?

Under 100 at most

Ace2007

gabeeg wrote: »

It's not a cheap dig. They let it happen.

The dogs in the street knew it would lead to deaths. Holohan and co did not.

It is a cheap dig, If even the dogs in the street knew - why did the gentleman go to the pub himself?

BanditLuke

April fools?

https://twitter.com/rickastley/status/1245054121746608134?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1245054121746608134&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fnews.sky.com%2Fstory%2Fcoronavirus-rick-astley-to-play-free-gig-for-nhs-and-emergency-workers-at-end-of-pandemic-11966835

Cork Boy 53

MOR316 wrote: »

Like an annual check up with your Doctor?

Actually it would probably need to be twice a year and made compulsory.

is_that_so

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

I hope people don't think we're doing well because we're not.

An increase rate that looks close to dropping below 10%, which is where Italy were a short time ago suggests we are. Still no time for complacency as they keep saying but we are undeniably heading the right way and the next week or so will give indicators on what might happen. I still think they will consider some easing, maybe minor, much later in the month.

wadacrack

wadacrack wrote: »

This is a very sad

https://twitter.com/gazzahead/status/1245040219033911296

Was Leo's fault those dicks went to Cheltenham? And we cannot know that this poor man caught from them. In all likelyhood he didn't

Christy42

gabeeg wrote: »

It's not a cheap dig. They let it happen.

The dogs in the street knew it would lead to deaths. Holohan and co did not.

It is a random tweet of a meeting that may or may not have involved people who had Corona virus. So it may not have happened. If it did it doesn't even mean it it involves the virus. If it did it does not mean he was close enough for transmission.

It is absolutely a random dig to link the death to Leo.

crossman47

Ice Storm wrote: »

An update from Gavan Reilly on ICU numbers.

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1245289339086680075?s=19

It was always clear the number in ICU was at the point in time but some people kept questioning it.

gabeeg

easypazz wrote: »

And so surely die the old man, but he went to a high risk area anyway?

Like I said its sad that people are trying to use a death to score cheap shots

I'm not sure you know what a cheap shot is.

paw patrol

Leo thanked China . What a stateman he is.:mad:

This whole event is stage managed to fcuk by FG on the backs and health of the hardworking healthcare staff.

tikkahunter

owlbethere wrote: »

With some people not showing symptoms of this but reports says lungs can still show some scarring and I read this can also target other organs. The function of other organs will have to be tested like liver, kidneys - can GPS and run them kind of tests.

You can get a yearly test in the matter private that covers everything, think I paid over 500 for it , the VHI also do a similar one.

fullstop

babybuilder wrote: »

They had a chance to get their heads around that 5 weeks ago. "Full state of preparedness" my arse.

So you don’t think any other government in the word would or should have wanted test kits 5 weeks ago...just little old ireland ploughing a lone furrow? **** me the drivel spouted in here :rolleyes:

New Home

Deleted User wrote: »

Was Leo's fault those dicks went to Cheltenham? And we cannot know that this poor man caught from them. In all likelyhood he didn't

He could've made quarantine compulsory for them, as well as for anyone else coming from abroad.

DevilsHaircut

Having to deal again and again with the same relentless idiotic questions from journalists on testing delays etc. will not have helped Tony Holohan's stress levels/health.

eagle eye

Ace2007 wrote:

How long are you prepared to be in lockdown as you say?

As long as it takes. Doing it right means it only has to last about four weeks after you have no new positive tests.
Doing it right means nobody in or out of the country, proper lockdown and social distancing at all times.
Then we can let our citizens back in the street but you restrict travel until everywhere else is clear of it.
And if you really, really have to travel then you get quarantined at your own expense for fourteen days upon your return.

stephenjmcd

Today's press conference lead by Dr Ronan Glynn is at 5:30pm

crossman47

New Home wrote: »

He could've made quarantine compulsory for them, as well as for anyone else coming from abroad.

And where would he have put them all?

Martina1991

jackboy wrote:

Any idea what country the reagent is manufactured in? Is there just one company producing the reagent?

I dont know. Someone did post a link in this thread about a company from Holland but i dont know if thats the company we get our stock from.

cameramonkey wrote:

If we need more tests done quickly we should send some away if there is capacity somewhere else. Each batch could have known Positive/ negative control samples in them so that we could verify that those samples were correct. We could also send samples that have been split in to an A and B sample and then test our A sample when we have the capacity.This is what they do for drug tests for athletes.

You would find it very hard to find any country that can keep up with their own demand for testing, let alone take on thousands of samples from another country.

Away With The Fairies wrote:

How long should someone be symptom free before returning to normal?

I'm not a medic and would not try to offer medical advice.

I have read that people should be 5 days symptom free but people should obviously contact their GP.

tobefrank321 wrote:

Question Martina. If you don't have a positive covid 19 test result, can you apply for government assistance? Many people will be tempted to keep working if they haven't got a test result.

I have no idea about government payments. Perhaps someone else here might have the answer.

I dont think people should return to work if waiting for a result. But if someone has been symptom free for a number of days their GP may give them the green light.

BattleCorp

ITman88 wrote: »

no way the 2km restriction from your home will be adhered to much longer.

I've no idea why people are kicking up so much fuss over the 2km restriction. This is only related to exercise. If people need more than 2km to exercise, then there must be something wrong with them. It's not that difficult to achieve. If you want to run 20k, do feckin laps of a certain area.

easypazz

gabeeg wrote: »

I'm not sure you know what a cheap shot is.

I know exactly what a cheap shot is, an old man died, he went to a pub knowing the virus was rampant, he may have caught it in the pub, or the next pub, it might have come from somebody who might have been in Cheltenham, but maybe the barman was back from skiing in northern Italy, but its all Leo's fault.

Ace2007

New Home wrote: »

He could've made quarantine compulsory for them, as well as for anyone else coming from abroad.

And if he did that - then people would have found ways around it - just fly to Belfast and cross the border.

What i don't get is why everything that happens in this country people blame the government. No one ever thinks maybe they are doing all that they can, they can't stop the virus - no country has.

if they quarantined them in a hotel, and the chef died - then it would be the government's fault.

gabeeg

Christy42 wrote: »

It is a random tweet of a meeting that may or may not have involved people who had Corona virus. So it may not have happened. If it did it doesn't even mean it it involves the virus. If it did it does not mean he was close enough for transmission.

It is absolutely a random dig to link the death to Leo.

The terrible travel advice for Cheltenham and elsewhere will lead to many Irish infections and deaths.

Sorry if that upsets you, but it's fact.

Doctors room ghost

owlbethere wrote: »

They should be at least €100 a box now. Especially considering there is an alternative and some people will argue with the next bit I'm going to write. There is a better alternative - vaping.

This crisis could be used to wipe out cigarettes entirely from the population so long as they don't target them little vape juice bottles of 10ml the same way as cigarettes.

Them same bottles of juice are mass produced in China from god knows what.anti freeze,cat piss,and a tea spoon of corona virus throw in.
But yeah, vaping is good.
The only thing you’re lungs are designed for is breathing.anything else is just not good for you.wouldnt surprise me in the least if vaping and corona virus are some ways connected in China.

easypazz

New Home wrote: »

He could've made quarantine compulsory for them, as well as for anyone else coming from abroad.

He can dig up all the roads in Ireland too to prevent people dying in car crashes.

Snow Garden

bb12 wrote: »

so he's cycling along the lovely country lanes, coughs, splutters or spits and it lands on a field gate. it's the busiest time of the year for farming, so farmer comes along, opens said field gate and voila they are infected.

most farmers work alone so you've just taken a food producer out of circulation and probably risked the lives of many animals as it's right bang in the middle of calving and lambing season right now.

Utter nonsense! April fools?

Dramatic though. He wont stop at a gate to admire livestock and smear the gate with 'da virus'. I have a small farm myself by the way.

Riddle me this, what if he only goes for a 2km cycle and passes a few gates?

As I said, utter nonsense. Did make me laugh though.

If my auntie has balls she'd be my uncle.

deaddonkey15

Deleted User wrote: »

Was Leo's fault those dicks went to Cheltenham? And we cannot know that this poor man caught from them. In all likelyhood he didn't

He may well have already had it before the Cheltenham lads came back. In which case it was even more irresponsible for him to be out in a bar, regardless of how much he ‘liked a pint’.