CoVid19 Part XII - 4,604 in ROI (137 deaths) 998 in NI (56 deaths)(04/04) **Read OP**

cameramonkey

Martina1991 wrote: »

Why are you asking me that.

Every day you ask that question and dont seem to watch the actaul daily briefings.

Then you take a number and extrapolate and speculate about that number over many posts.

Rinse and repeat.

Why don't you tell me how many tests are being performed each day? Its all you talk about.

I ask because testing testing testing is what has been stressed by the WHO. It means we can tell the difference between a cold and covid. It means we can get front line staff back to work instead of sitting at home waiting for quarantine to end.It means we can target people who have the virus early with drugs and treatment and leave those with a cold to recover.

As a scientist you should really know that but then again you were reporting last week that 5000 tests per day were going through the labs so maybe your knowledge is restricted to repeating good news spin from uninformed sources.



Every number I post is from HSE sources you seem to be posting unverified information and always spinning it to say that the HSE are doing more tests than they are. Do you work for the HSE or something?

Quantum Erasure

Tanner Cold Needlepoint wrote: »

It is clear that it is accumulated, if you read the reports. The hse are giving him wrong information.

How can your put down the total number of Covid patients, give the percent that needed hospital and the percent of that that needed ICU and claim it’s in there now??? People have died and got better.

So, what's the numbers today?

tobefrank321

Danzy wrote: »

There are some real knob heads out there.

No fan of Fg or leo but himself and Harris etc. have really delivered.

How have they delivered? I don't have time to go through their long list of failures before and during the covid19 outbreak.

Their big claim is they have ramped up testing.

It takes 9 days to get a covid19 test result. Front line medical staff have been stuck at home for almost two weeks waiting for results.

How is this delivering?

They tested more people per capita in the world. Problem is they tested the wrong people, non healthcare staff and hypochondriacs. They wasted thousands of tests and now they've run out of reagents to test those who need to be tested. A complete farce.

walshb

easypazz wrote: »

This. With the benefit of hindsight all these people are looking back and saying Leo should have done X / Y Z differently.

I'd say it is killing the shinners that FG are doing a reasonable job at this.

No surprise. The actual biggest ill in society are people blaming everything and anything and everyone on their problems. Next to no accountability or responsibility for self!!!!

New Home

Belfast is still ABROAD.

Simple: you come back from abroad? You don't move from your house for a fortnight. Not for shopping, not for any other reason. If you need a doctor or supplies you ring someone. It's not foolproof and it does need to be monitored, but it would have been a simple, valid way to contain the spread. Nobody can stop the virus, but they sure as hell can slow its spread right down.

Ace2007 wrote: »

And if he did that - then people would have found ways around it - just fly to Belfast and cross the border.

What i don't get is why everything that happens in this country people blame the government. No one ever thinks maybe they are doing all that they can, they can't stop the virus - no country has.

if they quarantined them in a hotel, and the chef died - then it would be the government's fault.

otnomart

otnomart wrote: »

the Netherlands are still going for herd immunity:

Lockdown unnecessary - says health agency
"as long as people stick to the current measures - keep 1.5 meters apart, don't go outside if you're sick, wash your hands regularly, and avoid touching your face. "
https://nltimes.nl/2020/04/01/covid-19-curve-flattening-lockdown-unnecessary-says-health-agency

this with:

1,152 patients currently treated in ICUs

total number of deaths is now 1,173

It’s not necessarily about the number in ICU....It’s about the number in ICU v ICU capacity. and I don’t know that for Holland

If we had unlimited ICU beds then there would have been no need to us to take any measures. No need to ‘flatten the curve’ at all

threeball

Danzy wrote: »

There are some real knob heads out there.

No fan of Fg or leo but himself and Harris etc. have really delivered.

All the SF knobends have been out in force on the radio today, we should be like Singapore, we should be like Germany, we should be on 550 euro a week, we should have all the testing facilities in place if the health service was funded properly. The money is obviously there.

Not a fcuking clue between the lot of them. No acknowledgement that we'll be borrowing 10bn minimum to fund what we've already done.

Kalyke

Tootsie_1 wrote: »

So Dr. Tony Holohan is in Hospital non covid 19 related I d say he thought he was having a heart attack, feral Bowers just said he told them at the time he wasn't feeling well and was holding his chest.

Mr. Bowers is quite tame.

stephenjmcd

Tanner Cold Needlepoint wrote: »

It is clear that it is accumulated, if you read the reports. The hse are giving him wrong information.

How can your put down the total number of Covid patients, give the percent that needed hospital and the percent of that that needed ICU and claim it’s in there now??? People have died and got better.

To put this to bed once and for all here is all the proof you need

https://twitter.com/hpscireland/status/1245338278901014529?s=19

Charles Babbage

New Home wrote: »

Belfast is still ABROAD.

Simple: you come back from abroad? You don't move from your house for a fortnight. Not for shopping, not for any other reason. If you need a doctor or supplies you ring someone. It's not foolproof and it does need to be monitored, but it would have been a simple, valid way to contain the spread. Nobody can stop the virus, but they sure as hell can slow its spread right down.

Abroad means going on a ship, Belfast is not abroad, stop trying to wind people up.

wakka12

Deleted User wrote: »

It’s not necessarily about the number in ICU....It’s about the number in ICU v ICU capacity. and I don’t know that for Holland

If we had unlimited ICU beds then there would have been no need to us to take any measures. No need to ‘flatten the curve’ at all

https://nltimes.nl/2020/03/19/intensive-care-expects-500-1000-coronavirus-patients-next-week
Netherlands took recent measures to increase national ICU bed capacity to 1500. So it is still not at capacity but probably will be within 4-5 days

easypazz

Danzy wrote: »

There are some real knob heads out there.

No fan of Fg or leo but himself and Harris etc. have really delivered.

A month ago I couldn't stomach Harris's voice another day, now I couldn't think of anybody else doing the job.

Imagine Louise O'Reilly dealing with this.

It would be an absolute disaster if SF were leading this right now.

is_that_so

tobefrank321 wrote: »

How have they delivered? I don't have time to go through their long list of failures before and during the covid19 outbreak.

They're big claim is we have ramped up testing.

It takes 9 days to get a covid19 test result. Front line medical staff have been stuck at home for almost two weeks waiting for results.

How is this delivering?

If you're at home for two weeks you're in the clear. You also seem to be completely blind to the issue of shortages but tell you what, the next time we hit something like this I'll vote for you no problem and we'll be in perfect hands!

Danzy

tobefrank321 wrote: »

How have they delivered? I don't have time to go through their long list of failures before and during the covid19 outbreak.

Their big claim is they have ramped up testing.

It takes 9 days to get a covid19 test result. Front line medical staff have been stuck at home for almost two weeks waiting for results.

How is this delivering?

They tested more people per capita in the world. Problem is they tested the wrong people, non healthcare staff and hypochondriacs. They wasted thousands of tests and now they've run out of reagents to test those who need to be tested. A complete farce.

I don't have time either. I have to drop ppe I paid for, had delivered from China, into the public health nurses who don't have them, they were hard to get, have been for months and globally so.

I'll leave you to list the failures and lament the perfect world we would have if you could fix everything and life didn't get in the way.

shocksy

+563 deaths in the UK in the past 24 hours (Sky News)

Total deaths 2,352

threeball

tobefrank321 wrote: »

How have they delivered? I don't have time to go through their long list of failures before and during the covid19 outbreak.

Their big claim is they have ramped up testing.

It takes 9 days to get a covid19 test result. Front line medical staff have been stuck at home for almost two weeks waiting for results.

How is this delivering?

They tested more people per capita in the world. Problem is they tested the wrong people, non healthcare staff and hypochondriacs. They wasted thousands of tests and now they've run out of reagents to test those who need to be tested. A complete farce.

Uk is out of reagents and also at capacity. The only country not at capacity is germany because they are a hub for manufacturing the equipment used in the testing.

I love how people cherry pick all the best systems in the world and assume we should automatically have them but dont want to pay for them

Ace2007

New Home wrote: »

Belfast is still ABROAD.

Simple: you come back from abroad? You don't move from your house for a fortnight. Not for shopping, not for any other reason. If you need a doctor or supplies you ring someone. It's not foolproof and it does need to be monitored, but it would have been a simple, valid way to contain the spread. Nobody can stop the virus, but they sure as hell can slow its spread right down.

But one poster is saying you self isolate them on entry - i.e. you don't give them a choice - arrive in Dublin airport - straight to hotel and you can't leave -

The way your saying above - is that way it is at the moment.

cameramonkey

An Ciarraioch wrote: »

A difficult day for Wales, recording 29 deaths today:

https://covid19-phwstatement.nhs.wales

That's pretty tough, population of 3 million, it a big number.

shocksy

shocksy wrote: »

+563 deaths in the UK in the past 24 hours (Sky News)

Total deaths 2,352

Well, the UK is sure on the curve now.

Stheno

shocksy wrote: »

+563 deaths in the UK in the past 24 hours (Sky News)

Total deaths 2,352

Wow

munsterlegend

tobefrank321 wrote: »

How have they delivered? I don't have time to go through their long list of failures before and during the covid19 outbreak.

Their big claim is they have ramped up testing.

It takes 9 days to get a covid19 test result. Front line medical staff have been stuck at home for almost two weeks waiting for results.

How is this delivering?

They tested more people per capita in the world. Problem is they tested the wrong people, non healthcare staff and hypochondriacs. They wasted thousands of tests and now they've run out of reagents to test those who need to be tested. A complete farce.

Well the WHO says test test test. However yes it is incompetent to Swab swab swab if you can’t actually do the testing in the lab. In that scenario the testing must be more focused on particular symptoms which is what the HSE changed last week. Time will tell how competent/incompetent our govt and HSE were during this crisis.

Ten of Swords

103 new cases in Northern Ireland (+18%) and 2 deaths bringing their total cases to 689 and total deaths to 30

weldoninhio

Looks like no one told the U.K. manufacturers of re-agent about this shortage. They know nothing about it. Politician wouldn’t lie, would they??

Sonics2k

Charles Babbage wrote: »

Abroad means going on a ship, Belfast is not abroad, stop trying to wind people up.

That's daft.

So if someone get's a train or drives to China from Germany, then they haven't gone abroad?

New Home

Charles Babbage wrote: »

Abroad means going on a ship, Belfast is not abroad, stop trying to wind people up.

Nope. Wrong. A French person goes to Germany = abroad. You might want to read this, it's quite enlightening:

abroad[ uh-brawd ]

adverb
1. in or to a foreign country or countries: famous at home and abroad.
2. in or to another continent: Shall we go to Mexico or abroad this summer?
3. out of doors; from one place to another; about: No one was abroad in the noonday heat. The owl ventures abroad at night.
4. spread around; in circulation: Rumors of disaster are abroad.
5. broadly; widely; far and wide.

noun
1. a foreign land or lands: imports from abroad.

Source.

billybonkers

https://www.newstalk.com/news/dr-tony-holohan-undergoing-tests-hospital-992886

Ireland's Chief Medical Officer Tony Holohan is in hospital undergoing tests.

wakka12

Growth in deaths in UK looking eerily similar to Italy already

frillyleaf

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Well, from the account, they came straight home and went to the pub. Zero personal responsibility. Also, is there any evidence whatsoever that any of that crew had the virus?

Seems like no one in the country wants to the personal responsibility for anything. It's always the Goberment. Have we handled this well, probably not, but so far we seen to have managed better than most of western Europe

That is why people returning from Italy and Cheltenham should have been quarantined. It removes the personal responsibility as some people will not be responsible and put others in danger

is_that_so

threeball wrote: »

Uk is out of reagents and also at capacity. The only country not at capacity is germany because they are a hub for manufacturing the equipment used in the testing.

I love how people cherry pick all the best systems in the world and assume we should automatically have them but dont want to pay for them

A common feature of all of the threads is that there must be someone to blame or something to complain about. How well or badly it was done is a question for the post-crisis review.

devnull

Stheno wrote: »

Wow

Well over 600 is said to be true figures.

cnocbui

cameramonkey wrote: »

The poster seems to have been able to have a rough idea of the amount of total test done a day or two before the figures were announced, although they were out by about 3000 so I was wondering if they had some insight that we don't have. The 1500 mentioned at the press conference is slightly confusing as the official numbers released by the HSE say that an average per day for the last week is 1745.

I think you should look at the official figures rather than mindlessly believe what is written every four pages, weren't we putting 5000 test through the labs every day according to some poster here and anyone who suggest otherwise was trying to cause panic.

The 250 discrepancy would be due to the limited in-house testing done in some hospitals, which is restricted to testing of staff and some patients, If I recall correctly. 1500 is the current capacity of the national virology testing lab.

ninebeanrows

With the lack of testing it is the ICU admissions and Death count that are key measures.

Very sad numbers from the UK. Seems their dithering for a week has cost hundreds or possibly thousands of lives.

Hopefully we were prompt enough to suppress our surge, but no doubt about it, during the next week there will be some sobering death numbers in Ireland also.

Inquitus

shocksy wrote: »

+563 deaths in the UK in the past 24 hours (Sky News)

Total deaths 2,352

Aye that's by far the most in one day, sadly.

stephenjmcd

stephenjmcd wrote: »

To put this to bed once and for all here is all the proof you need

https://twitter.com/hpscireland/status/1245338278901014529?s=19

Thanks.

New Home

Ace2007 wrote: »

But one poster is saying you self isolate them on entry - i.e. you don't give them a choice - arrive in Dublin airport - straight to hotel and you can't leave -

The way your saying above - is that way it is at the moment.

Right now, maybe - but not when the Cheltenham crowd came back.

bekker

wakka12 wrote: »

Sweden experiencing so much more deaths than other Scandinavian countries with harsher lockdowns
Total in Sweden : 240 dead, ICU 400

Norway : 43 deaths.. ICU 100
Finland : 17 deaths.. ICU 100

Sweden is about twice the population of them but still

Population density ?

Stockholm 4.8/sq km
Helsinki 3.0/sq km

Also Helsinki has expanded dramatically in last 5 years, read v.favourable reports on quality of building programme.

devnull

shocksy wrote: »

+563 deaths in the UK in the past 24 hours (Sky News)

Total deaths 2,352

And that's probably underestimated by a considerable amount.

As of just over a week ago the death figures being published were under-reported by 24% due to a failure to include deaths outside a hospital setting.

Despite government insisting that they would adjust their statistics to include all deaths, they still only report on hospital deaths in order to manipulate the figures.

frillyleaf

easypazz wrote: »

This. With the benefit of hindsight all these people are looking back and saying Leo should have done X / Y Z differently.

I'd say it is killing the shinners that FG are doing a reasonable job at this.

In fairness at the time a lot of people had issues with government allowing people to fly to and from northern Italy and Cheltenham. The match had already been called off over here and people were still going to Cheltenham despite this. It’s not hindsight in that sense....

joe40

easypazz wrote: »

A month ago I couldn't stomach Harris's voice another day, now I couldn't think of anybody else doing the job.

Imagine Louise O'Reilly dealing with this.

It would be an absolute disaster if SF were leading this right now.

I'm very happy with fine Gael handling of this situation, but they are taking the lead from the medics (to their credit)
That is the right approach, but I think most of our political parties would do the same.
By enlarge the opposition parties are giving the government space and support to get on with things.

weldoninhio

is_that_so wrote: »

If you're at home for two weeks you're in the clear. You also seem to be completely blind to the issue of shortages but tell you what, the next time we hit something like this I'll vote for you no problem and we'll be in perfect hands!

The first line is absolute nonsense. If you self quarantine for 2 weeks without getting tested you've no idea if you had it or not, you could leave your house and contract it from the car and head back into work spreading it all around.

Ace2007

billybonkers wrote: »

https://www.newstalk.com/news/dr-tony-holohan-undergoing-tests-hospital-992886

Ireland's Chief Medical Officer Tony Holohan is in hospital undergoing tests.

Feel like we'll be hearing this for next 12 hours

tobefrank321

easypazz wrote: »

A month ago I couldn't stomach Harris's voice another day, now I couldn't think of anybody else doing the job.

Imagine Louise O'Reilly dealing with this.

It would be an absolute disaster if SF were leading this right now.

Of course you couldn't :rolleyes:

I don't think FG bots are helping their cause.

When this is all over there will be need for an investigation into all the mistakes FG have made and continue to make and how their mistakes gave covid19 a massive leg up when it came to spreading infections here.

Even today they haven't the cop on to realise you can't break the cycle of new infections if you keep introducing them from outside the country.

And as for a disclaimer I am not a SF, FF, GP or any political party supporter. I'm fairly sure they'd all be as bad in government, given the extremely shallow gene pool they are pulling from.

easypazz

Sonics2k wrote: »

That's daft.

So if someone get's a train or drives to China from Germany, then they haven't gone abroad?

We are referring to living on a small island, which is partitioned due to historical differences.

But you knew that.

weldoninhio

threeball wrote: »

Uk is out of reagents and also at capacity. The only country not at capacity is germany because they are a hub for manufacturing the equipment used in the testing.

I love how people cherry pick all the best systems in the world and assume we should automatically have them but dont want to pay for them

The companies who make reagent have completely debunked this. They have said that there is no shortage of the relevant reagents.

threeball

is_that_so wrote: »

A common feature of all of the threads is that there must be someone to blame or something to complain about. How well or badly it was done is a question for the post-crisis review.

Amazingly people never point the finger at themselves. As soon as an government tries to tackle any problem all the lobbying groups and unions are up in arms with people shouting "you can't do dat". So they dont and people bitch that did nothing about it. This country is particularly bad for people who want everything while conceding nothing.

JPCN1

easypazz wrote: »

This. With the benefit of hindsight all these people are looking back and saying Leo should have done X / Y Z differently.

I'd say it is killing the shinners that FG are doing a reasonable job at this.

To be fair to the Shinners, Belfast has long been one of the world leaders in Trauma surgery.

Martina1991

cameramonkey wrote:

I ask because testing testing testing is what has been stressed by the WHO. It means we can tell the difference between a cold and covid. It means we can get front line staff back to work instead of sitting at home waiting for quarantine to end.It means we can target people who have the virus early with drugs and treatment and leave those with a cold to recover.

As a scientist you should really know that but then again you were reporting last week that 5000 tests per day were going through the labs so maybe your knowledge is restricted to repeating good news spin from uninformed sources.

Every number I post is from HSE sources you seem to be posting unverified information and always spinning it to say that the HSE are doing more tests than they are. Do you work for the HSE or something?

I dont recall saying we were processing 5k a day. Some other posters here did. It was planned to provide that many tests a day by the end of April, up until these shortages occured.

How can we "test test test" without the necessary reagents.

Its like everyone looking for hand sanitiser. You assume it'll be there when you need it. You assume the suppliers will keep up with demand until they can't.

Everyone has demand for the same thing. And we will have to wait until they can produce more.

But you are just determined to call the service a disaster no matter what the numbers are.

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I dont know why you are so obsessed with test numbers when all experts are saying the numbers that matter are the ICU capacities and deaths.

Test numbers are of importance for determining the spread. Contract tracing now estimates the number of contacts per case is now down to 3. It was 20. Social distancing is working.

spookwoman

https://twitter.com/wlrfm/status/1245342148691664898?s=20

tigger123

tobefrank321 wrote: »

Of course you couldn't :rolleyes:

I don't think FG bots are helping their cause.

When this is all over there will be need for an investigation into all the mistakes FG have made and continue to make and how their mistakes gave covid19 a massive leg up when it came to spreading infections here.

Even today they haven't the cop on to realise you can't break the cycle of new infections if you keep introducing them from outside the country.

And as for a disclaimer I am not a SF, FF, GP or any political party supporter. I'm fairly sure they'd all be as bad in government, given the shallow gene pool they are all pulling from.

Just because they're not doing what you think they should do, doesn't meant they're doing it wrong.

They're listening to medical experts. That's good enough for me.

If governments start listening to the internet for what to do next, we're ****ed.

is_that_so

weldoninhio wrote: »

Looks like no one told the U.K. manufacturers of re-agent about this shortage. They know nothing about it. Politician wouldn’t lie, would they??

Do a search for reagent shortage, plenty of other examples out there. This is Harris from this morning on it.

https://www.newstalk.com/news/harris-number-critical-coronavirus-cases-worry-us-992669