CoVid19 Part XII - 4,604 in ROI (137 deaths) 998 in NI (56 deaths)(04/04) **Read OP**

ITman88

spookwoman wrote: »

She was sitting on a bench enjoying the sun, the lock down says only out for exercise, work, shops, medical etc. Sitting on your ar*e is not one of them.

On a bench on her own!

Welcome to the police state.

Cork Boy 53

Deleted User wrote: »

guidance from HSE as far as I know is you can come out of isolation once 5 days without fever and 2 without symptoms. 14 days is only if you are isolating because of contact with confirmed / suspected case

UK NHS guidance is not the same as the HSE. In any case it is less than 7 days since Johnson announced he had tested positive.

RandomName2

New cases dropping rapidly in Italy. 837 deaths yesterday, but there's a lag between case reduction and reduction in death rate

easypazz

gabeeg wrote: »

There was a 13 year old and a 19 year old amongst the dead

Outliers.

Beasty

Just Saying wrote: »

Are UK figures still hospital deaths only?

I read somewhere that up to 20/03 the deaths had been underestimated by 24% as deaths outside hospitals had not been included...

They said it was deaths of people who had tested positive. Hence it could still be missing a significant number that have not been tested

spookwoman

And we wonder why the virus keeps spreading.... :rolleyes:

devnull

Beasty wrote: »

They said it was deaths of people who had tested positive. Hence it could still be missing a significant number that have not been tested

Hospital deaths only that have tested positive.

Anyone who didn't have a test or did and it wasn't positive, who died from coronavirus and those who died outside the hospital setting are not included.

https://twitter.com/DHSCgovuk/status/1245337119721230340

EDit

EDit wrote: »

Has anyone seen any medical/scientific articles showing evidence of post-infection immunity for COVID19-19?

I did a google search, but all I can find is lots of articles in the lay press just stating that you will get immunity. Surely now that China (and other countries) have a substation number of recovery they should be able to definitively show whether people have immunity or not

With most viruses the vast majority of people with get immunity. There will always be a very small proportion who wont retain immunity, and also a tiny proportion who may have antibodies but who get exposed to a massive viral load and the body cannot replicate the antibodies fast enough to prevent illness before the immune system catches up. There is no evidence that Covid-19 is any different. Common cold being caused by a coronavirus is often cited as a reason this may be different but there are over 100 known viruses that cause the common cold, only 4 of which are types of Coronavirus. Its why kids get so many but adults relatively fewer, they just haven't got the antibodies yet.

My own pet theory as to why kids get off so lightly with Covid-19 is that their immune system has more recent experience of a type of coronavirus, so have a bit of a running start in reacting to a new one, while older people may not have had to deal with a new one in years, resulting in a slower immune response

ITman88

wakka12 wrote: »

And at the current rate there will be several tens of thousands added to that. Already that annual mortality figure you posted has been inflated by nearly 0.5% in just a few days. The numbers coming out of the UK are shockingly high, theres no way of minimising this

What’s has the figure of 0.5% came from?

DeeperThinker

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Will a journalist please ask these questions...

How many are in ICU right now as of today? Why have you not been providing these figures? Will you provide these figures from now on like other countries?

They never seem to ask these questions.

I completely agree. As there has been so little testing done and many tests cancelled with a huge lag also in those carried out, the more telling number is no longer the number of infections (far higher than we know) but the number of hospital patients, ICU admissions and CFR.

It should be emphasized that the effects of a lockdown will not begin to show until possibly two, three and even four weeks as it takes that length of time for many to become critical and to unfortunately pass away. I think the government has been providing false hope in naming Easter Sunday as a point to evaluate the lockdown.

Kermit.de.frog

spookwoman wrote: »

Any time they have asked for numbers for a lot f things the usual answer was I don't have them

They should have them.

Everyone else has them.

BattleCorp

youreadthat wrote: »

Over 600,000 people die in the UK every year.

Not from COVID-19.

Naggdefy

ITman88 wrote: »

I wasn’t but the spoofer Neil Ferguson (who is advising the Uk) said as many as 2/3 were going to die anyway.

Similar in Italy, an incredibly low number of deaths this flu season is being credited with the high number of covid deaths.

Italy has had influenza pandemics in recent season accredited with 54000 extra deaths.

Death rates in Italy has hit as many as 62000 in the month of March in recent years, until the total death rates are published its speculation to suggest all deaths are over and above.

Of course yearly figures will give the full picture.

But without scaremongering we can safely say we have major growth in death rates.

Could you provide a source for your claim about Italy having flu pandemics causing 54,000 deaths a year?

I don't think so many countries would shut down globally if we were experiencing average flu mortality rates crammed into 3 months or so.

An Ciarraioch

And now the HPSC restating that the ICU figure is cumulative!

https://twitter.com/hpscireland/status/1245338278901014529

spookwoman

spookwoman wrote: »

She was sitting on a bench enjoying the sun, the lock down says only out for exercise, work, shops, medical etc. Sitting on your ar*e is not one of them.

what a wanker attitude to assume she is sitting on her arse and doesn't need a few minutes outdoors to maybe help with her sanity. she may live alone, have nobody else and be on the verge of a breakdown. you or I will never know, that's why Irish Gardai apply a 2 minute attitude test and use their own discretion. She's not sick not a threat, she's fine.. or maybe she's a threat to your Lebensraum

gabeeg

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

They should have them.

Everyone else has them.

Two of the central pillars for beating this poxy virus are testing and transparency

How are we doing on those fronts?

wadacrack

https://twitter.com/FergalBowers/status/1245354908645298178

10000maniacs

563 have died in 24 hours in the UK. This is shocking.

BrianD3

cameramonkey wrote: »

it is pretty unbelievable that after a few weeks of this the HSE cannot present coherent figures. they are either being deliberately obstructive or are incompetent.

The Infectious Disease Society is surely not HSE or public service? What is it, a representative body, educational or lobby group?

To be fair to the HSE and Dept of Health, so far anything official I've seen from them has been clear that the ICU figures relate to those who have been admitted to ICU. It is others who are misinterpreting this as being those who are currently in ICU. Maybe the IDS people can be added to the list of those who can't understand plain English.

Away With The Fairies

Strazdas wrote: »

If you have fully recovered from the virus, then you cannot spread it, as it is no longer in your system.

You can still pick it up from a surface and without washing hands can spread it like that.

tobefrank321

ITman88 wrote: »

On a bench on her own!

Welcome to the police state.

In fairness, not really.

If everyone had the same idea, the park bench would be full. If everyone had the same idea to walk Dun Laoghaire pier, it would be full, or Malahide beach, or Salthill Prom, or go to any park.

You have to ban everyone or no-one.

Cork Boy 53

David Norris on RTE Radio 1 now giving high praise to the government for their handling of the crisis and lambasting Trump for mishandling it.

ITman88

Naggdefy wrote: »

Of course yearly figures will give the full picture.

But without scaremongering we can safely say we have major growth in death rates.

Could you provide a source for your claim about Italy having flu pandemics causing 54,000 deaths a year?

I don't think so many countries would shut down globally if we were experiencing average flu mortality rates crammed into 3 months or so.

We are not discussing shut downs, we are discussing inaccurate death rates.

Death rates which are complete speculation.

I’ve posted the link below to the recent flu pandemics in Italy.

They have had stark warning for years now, and had time to prepare the health service in the way both Singapore and Toronto did.
This shouldn’t of been a shock to anyone

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1201971219303285

Gynoid

wadacrack wrote: »

https://twitter.com/FergalBowers/status/1245354908645298178

That is good, but they also need the other agents to extract RNA plus do other things. As far as I understand.

devnull

10000maniacs wrote: »

563 have died in 24 hours in the UK. This is shocking.

True figure is probably over 600.

spookwoman

rusty cole wrote: »

what a wanker attitude to assume she is sitting on her arse and doesn't need a few minutes outdoors to maybe help with her sanity. she may live alone, have nobody else and be on the verge of a breakdown. you or I will never know, that's why Irish Gardai apply a 2 minute attitude test and use their own discretion. She's not sick not a threat, she's fine.. or maybe she's a threat to your Lebensraum

Wanker attitude not to obey a simple bloody rule, don't go out. She may not look sick but she may be asymptomatic and shedding the bloody virus. How the hell can you say she is not sick unless she is tested

tobefrank321

10000maniacs wrote: »

563 have died in 24 hours in the UK. This is shocking.

Indeed. But really only the start of it. I think they will hit the 1000 mark in a week or two and remain there for a while.

The death rate is usually around 1% so multiply that by 100 and you have 250,000 cases, with about half in London.

wakka12

https://local12.com/news/coronavirus/28-austin-young-adults-test-positive-for-covid-19-after-spring-break-trip-to-mexico
Dozens of college students from Texas test positive after a spring break trip to Mexico

bekker

ITman88 wrote: »

I wasn’t but the spoofer Neil Ferguson (who is advising the Uk) said as many as 2/3 were going to die anyway.

Similar in Italy, an incredibly low number of deaths this flu season is being credited with the high number of covid deaths.

Italy has had influenza pandemics in recent season accredited with 54000 extra deaths.

Death rates in Italy has hit as many as 62000 in the month of March in recent years, until the total death rates are published its speculation to suggest all deaths are over and above.

So, leaving more in the cohort of v.vulnerable this year to be taken out by COVID-19, conversely would it be that the 2020 potential cohort was much reduced by the 'flu deaths in previous years. It'll probably provide the basis for many a thesis in years to come.

'Similar in Italy, an incredibly low number of deaths this flu season is being credited with the high number of covid deaths.'

Is that coming from Italian sources in the Lombardy region, or from external observers commentary?

ITman88 please ignore, just read your subsequent post.

Ace2007

10000maniacs wrote: »

563 have died in 24 hours in the UK. This is shocking.

And they are only including those who died in hospitals - if you died in a different setting with Covid19 your not included in the numbers

easypazz

10000maniacs wrote: »

563 have died in 24 hours in the UK. This is shocking.

Its also been posted a good few times already.

Did you hear Dr. Holohan was hospitalised?

spookwoman

spookwoman wrote: »

The other problem as IDS Ireland said is the amount of time patients stay in ICU
https://twitter.com/IDSIreland/status/1245303054649503746?s=20

Really shows the urgency of the need for a solution to mitigate symptoms (a successful antiviral drug etc) before a vaccine comes along in order to keep people out of ICU, or failing that making their stay there as short as possible.

theguzman

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russia-sends-very-very-large-planeload-masks-medical-equipment-us

Vladimir Putin is sending humanitarian assistance direct to New York City as Antonov-125 cargo planes left bases in Novaya Zemlya and Arkhangelsk enroute to the big apple with the precious cargo after a phone call between Presidents Trump and Putin it was revealed.

easypazz

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

David Norris on RTE Radio 1 now giving high praise to the government for their handling of the crisis and lambasting Trump for mishandling it.

If you could swap our governments handling of it with another countries government, who has done a better job?

wakka12

ITman88 wrote: »

What’s has the figure of 0.5% came from?

2350 divided by 600,000? 0.4%, and there are many deaths unaccounted for
Perhaps some of these poeple would have died anyway, and happened to have coronavirus, theres currently no strong proof of that as yet, its just a theory, but obviously plasuible one. We will have to wait and see what thenational mortality rate for the year turns out like. However,monthly mortality statistics in places like Lombardy would imply that coronavirus is causing massively inflated excess mortality, and would make the theory look unlikely.

tobefrank321

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

David Norris on RTE Radio 1 now giving high praise to the government for their handling of the crisis and lambasting Trump for mishandling it.

Senate election time isn't it?

TheValeyard

theguzman wrote: »

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russia-sends-very-very-large-planeload-masks-medical-equipment-us

Vladimir Putin is sending humanitarian assistance direct to New York City as Antonov-125 cargo planes left bases in Novaya Zemlya and Arkhangelsk enroute to the big apple with the precious cargo after a phone call between Presidents Trump and Putin it was revealed.

Good. Worldwide co-operation and sharing of resources where possible is exactly what should be happening.

tobefrank321

easypazz wrote: »

If you could swap our governments handling of it with another countries government, who has done a better job?

Singapore, Taiwan, Hong Kong.

CrabRevolution

tobefrank321 wrote: »

Senate election time isn't it?

He's pretty safe in his Trinity seat, he doesn't need any support from the political parties.

giveitholly

tobefrank321 wrote: »

Senate election time isn't it?

Yeah the clown is about to be elected

Boggles

10000maniacs wrote: »

563 have died in 24 hours in the UK. This is shocking.

They are going to have more deaths than actual confirmed cases.

lastusername

How many people on here are wearing masks when shopping? I'm seeing more people wearing them about the place.



My understanding is they are effective in terms of shielding water droplets, and for helping to prevent spreading it if you do have it, but that's about it. And that you have to be careful when taking it off and putting it on.

Cork Boy 53

tobefrank321 wrote: »

Senate election time isn't it?

Counting the votes at present.
Seemingly he has topped the poll for his panel and he expects to be elected within the next hour.

Donald Trump

CrabRevolution wrote: »

He's pretty safe in his Trinity seat, he doesn't need any support from the political parties.

Sure why didn't you run against him?

NIMAN

lastusername wrote: »

How many people on here are wearing masks when shopping? I'm seeing more people wearing them about the place.



My understanding is they are effective in terms of shielding water droplets, and for helping to prevent spreading it if you do have it, but that's about it. And that you have to be careful when taking it off and putting it on.

Still not many from what I see.

People have already been told many times they won't help you stop getting it, but sure if people want to wear them and it might stop them infecting others, it's not a bad thing.

Naggdefy

ITman88 wrote: »

We are not discussing shut downs, we are discussing inaccurate death rates.

Death rates which are complete speculation.

I’ve posted the link below to the recent flu pandemics in Italy.

They have had stark warning for years now, and had time to prepare the health service in the way both Singapore and Toronto did.
This shouldn’t of been a shock to anyone

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1201971219303285

You're claiming the flu season was mild in Italy and linking it to excess Covid deaths. I have news for you there are countries with equally high death rates.

Of course lockdown is related to death rates, countries are locking down to slow death rates.

I presume given your username you're 31/32 and work in IT. Now you might have little contact with people over 70 and feel this doesn't effect you. But some of us are a little older and perhaps deal more with people in that demographic.

Hrududu

It may be the cabin fever (its definitely cabin fever) but I've come to appreciate the petty squabbles that break out on this thread every day. Today I can't decide on what my favourite from the following is:

1. The difference between median and mean
2. Whether or not the ICU numbers are cumulative
3. Whether or not going to Belfast counts as going abroad.

What I particularly like is how heated these things get. I guess we're all crawling the walls but stuff like:

"Is that mean or median?"

"Ya ****kin prick how can you not know?"

Makes me laugh, when only the other day it pissed me off to scroll through it

facehugger99

ITman88 wrote: »

Similar in Italy, an incredibly low number of deaths this flu season is being credited with the high number of covid deaths.

Strip these deaths out of the figures and suddenly this 'global-killer' begins to look a lot less worthy of the current hysteria being generated.

In future years, people may look back and question why the economy was flushed down the toilet over a virus that kills a small percentage of the very old, the very sick and the very fat.

The economic effects will probably kill way more people indirectly over the coming years.

Boggles

lastusername wrote: »

How many people on here are wearing masks when shopping? I'm seeing more people wearing them about the place.



My understanding is they are effective in terms of shielding water droplets, and for helping to prevent spreading it if you do have it, but that's about it. And that you have to be careful when taking it off and putting it on.

Well I haven't seen this guy without in a while.

jams100

What idiots are using gloves for the likes of driving their car? Then deciding to just throw them on the ground.
Just went for a walk and in a 1km stretch there were 8 pairs. There really needs to be a cull on the amount of stupid gombeans in Ireland. The virus is no need to act like a s**mbag!