Speed limit change 120/80km (was I caught?)

kirving

markpb wrote: »

That is quite bizarre. You seem to think there's nothing between coasting and throwing out an anchor. It's perfectly possible for your average driver to use the accelerator and brakes to control the speed of the car, reducing it in a controlled way from one speed limit to another.

Of course most people can drive like that, as I said in post 20:

Kevin Irving wrote: »

No issue with it being an 80km/h zone whatsoever, it's very much needed.

Most people know the road and ease off gradually in the 120km/h zone, braking gently to get down to 80km/h before the sign. All too often though, they're tailgated by people who are determined to do 120km all the way to the sign.

Drive the road on a regular basis and the above (tailgating) is very common, unfortunately, by people who, in their mind, are complying with the 120km/h limit before braking hard at the 80km/h sign. They see nothing wrong with it.

markpb wrote: »

When you see a speed limit sign, you drive at that speed from the point of the sign. How you accomplish that safely is up to you but it's quite black and white.

I didn't say it wasn't clear? It's perfectly clear where the zone starts.

However, can you see that positioning a Gard, or overt camera van right at a speed-limit change zone (where a concertina effect already happens) might induce a negative reaction from some drivers? ie: unexpectedly hitting the brakes just because they see a Gard. Stupid, I know, but that's how people tend to react.

To be clear, I have zero issue with catching speeders, but right on the edge of the zone, IMO does more harm than good.

As with the further 60km/h limit before the M50, again very much needed, there is no longer GoSafe enforcement in that area, because it induced worse driving than it was intended to eliminate.

Seth Brundle

Kevin Irving wrote: »

However, can you see that positioning a Gard, or overt camera van right at a speed-limit change zone (where a concertina effect already happens) might induce a negative reaction from some drivers? ie: unexpectedly hitting the brakes just because they see a Gard. Stupid, I know, but that's how people tend to react.

To be clear, I have zero issue with catching speeders, but right on the edge of the zone, IMO does more harm than good.

Yes and no!
People will initially do something stupid and brake (it's almost instinctive) but it may have hte beneficial effect of training drivers to slow down in time for the change in speed limits rather than pass the sign and then start slowing (which is frequently the case in Ireland).

Plus, you could also look at it from the perspective that if it wasn't really necessary then it wouldn't be there! For those that still work off the presumption that it's all about the money, if it didn't make any money then they wouldn't be there!

blackbox

Ultimanemo wrote: »

The speed camera shouldn't be straight after the speed reduction sign, it should be a mile after the sign to give people enough time to reduce their speed.

God help the rest of us if you have to take a mile plus the distance from which you saw the sign to reduce speed from 120 to 80.

tuxy

Seth Brundle wrote: »

Yes and no!
People will initially do something stupid and brake (it's almost instinctive) but it may have hte beneficial effect of training drivers to slow down in time for the change in speed limits rather than pass the sign and then start slowing (which is frequently the case in Ireland).

Plus, you could also look at it from the perspective that if it wasn't really necessary then it wouldn't be there! For those that still work off the presumption that it's all about the money, if it didn't make any money then they wouldn't be there!

I think everyone should stop speeding for the rest of the year.
Then they will lose so much money by running these speed checkpoints!

jmreire

Now there's an idea for you !!! Put 'em out of business.....AND increase road safety at the same time Win / Win .;):D

Dravokivich

Kevin Irving wrote: »

Drive the road on a regular basis and the above (tailgating) is very common, unfortunately, by people who, in their mind, are complying with the 120km/h limit before braking hard at the 80km/h sign. They see nothing wrong with it.

They only brake hard because they are gambling on the people in front of them to speed on down the road.

Wishbone Ash

markpb wrote: »

......When you see a speed limit sign, you drive at that speed from the point of the sign....

Why? There is no requirement to drive at the indicated speed limit.

Miscreant

Wishbone Ash wrote: »

Why? There is no requirement to drive at the indicated speed limit.

Now you are splitting hairs... The requirement is that you drive at that speed or below as the prevailing conditions allow. The indicated speed limit is the maximum for that stretch of carriageway and you must not exceed it (unless you want the penalty points and fine). This was the intention of the post you are replying to but I guess you already knew that anyway. :cool:

Dravokivich

Wishbone Ash wrote: »

Why? There is no requirement to drive at the indicated speed limit.

In pretty sure markpb meant upto