Masks

odyssey06

Spiderman0081 wrote: »

I live in Stockholm. Went to the shop to buy fruit for my sons lunch. Dropped the kids off at school today. Went for breakfast. Drove my motorbike into the city centre to have coffee with my girlfriend. Went into two watch shops. Drove back home. Met my neighbors when I was parking my bike. Went back to the school to pick up the kids. Went home. I did not see one person wearing a mask.
Does everyone’s right not to wear a mask in Stockholm trump everyone else’s right not to catch a deadly virus if no one is wearing a mask. I’m confused.

I've seen the Swedish figures for covid-19 fatalities.
They are worse than ours even accounting for our screwups in nursing homes.
Thousands of unnecessary deaths.
I wouldn't be taking their advice on anything related to covid-19.
They are wrong on masks.

There's a whole thread on the forum about Sweden.
This is about masks.

Loafing Oaf

No: I don't care enough

eleventh wrote: »

So if something doesn't cause immediate effects then it must cause no effects - ok, and that's fairly typical of the thinking today.
Wearing a mask for an hour every day won't harm most (not in the short-term anyway).
The post being discussed was about someone experiencing health effects due to having to wear a mask all day, probably over weeks/months at this stage.

It is comparable to smoking (as being another thing that obstructs breathing).
Smoking once a day may not harm most people, but it would harm some, and is probably better avoided completely.
Smoking all day for a few days/weeks won't kill a person, but long term, guaranteed they'll have respiratory issues - and covid is and will be a long-term phenomenon, in case that's not clear to people yet.

I'm sure you'll be able to back this up with peer-reviewed research

odyssey06

eleventh wrote: »

So if something doesn't cause immediate effects then it must cause no effects - ok, and that's fairly typical of the thinking today.
Wearing a mask for an hour every day won't harm most (not in the short-term anyway).
The post being discussed was about someone experiencing health effects due to having to wear a mask all day, probably over weeks/months at this stage.

It is comparable to smoking (as being another thing that obstructs breathing).
Smoking once a day may not harm most people, but it would harm some, and is probably better avoided completely.
Smoking all day for a few days/weeks won't kill a person, but long term, guaranteed they'll have respiratory issues - and covid is and will be a long-term phenomenon, in case that's not clear to people yet.

Masks are comparable to smoking? No they are not.
Statement without any foundation or merit.
Do masks come with nicotine tar and cancer causing substances?
You can write this utter crap but don't expect it to convince anyone.

All our dentists would be dead if this nonsense had any foundation.
There isn't a single iota of truth in anyting you have written.
You are talking nonsense.
Stop spreading fake news.

Hand in Your Pants

Graham wrote: »

nope

A doctor based in Dublin, Ireland, made a video showing him wearing six face masks to set the record straight on masks and their impact on oxygen levels.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5npQivAmcE

Doctor is measuring oxygen level incorrectly.

Spiderman0081

odyssey06 wrote: »

I've seen the Swedish figures for covid-19 fatalities.
They are worse than ours even accounting for our screwups in nursing homes.
Thousands of unnecessary deaths.
I wouldn't be taking their advice on anything related to covid-19.
They are wrong on masks.

There's a whole thread on the forum about Sweden.
This is about masks.

I thought I was talking about masks. Ok I’ll go back to the Sweden forum. I didn’t mean to make noise in the church

Graham

eleventh wrote: »

The post being discussed was about someone experiencing health effects due to having to wear a mask all day, probably over weeks/months at this stage.

Like medical professionals the world over?

It's odd that they manage ok don't you think.

eleventh

odyssey06 wrote: »

Masks are comparable to smoking? No they are not.
Statement without any foundation or merit.
Do masks come with nicotine tar and cancer causing substances?

I said they were comparable not "the same as" !

xhomelezz

Yes: valved

Spiderman0081 wrote: »

I thought I was talking about masks. Ok I’ll go back to the Sweden forum. I didn’t mean to make noise in the church

Looks like you just popped by to inform us you living in Stockholm, good for you. So you were pointed to Sweden thread.

eleventh

Graham wrote: »

Like medical professionals the world over?

It's odd that they manage ok don't you think.

Didn't nurses and doctors have a higher incidence than the general population. Remembering back to March/April now. Mask wearing when the general population wasn't back then didn't seem to protect much.

xhomelezz

Yes: valved

eleventh wrote: »

I said they were comparable not "the same as" !

Yeah, poster didn't say they are the same as. God you would have to be in some outer space to say that. But just looking at my cigarette and my mask and have serious problem to compare them Will need some guidelines..

Graham

eleventh wrote: »

Didn't nurses and doctors have a higher incidence than the general population. Remembering back to March/April now. Mask wearing when the general population wasn't back then didn't seem to protect much.

Of not being able to breath?

No, I don't think so.

Hand in Your Pants

robinph wrote: »

And incase you missed it, why does your desire to not wear a mask trump my right to live?

His right not to wear a mask absolutely trumps your 'right to live' as you call it. Your responsibility to protect yourself on the basis of your particular understanding of the virus, your understanding of the nature of transmission, and your understanding of the efficacy of masks is your business alone. Otherwise we would all be subject all of the time to the whims of hypochondriacs everywhere.

Graham

Hand in Your Pants wrote: »

His right not to wear a mask absolutely trumps your 'right to live' as you call it.

No, it really doesn't. Morally or legislatively.

saneman

Yes: surgical

eleventh wrote: »

I said they were comparable not "the same as" !

Yeah, you did.

You compared inhaling fumes/particles to something that can prevent inhaling of fumes/particles...

odyssey06

eleventh wrote: »

Didn't nurses and doctors have a higher incidence than the general population. Remembering back to March/April now. Mask wearing when the general population wasn't back then didn't seem to protect much.

You're changing the goalposts here in a dishonest manner.
You were talking about long term effects of general mask wearing.
An allegation clearly and very obviously demonstrably false by the example I cited.
I talked about healthcare staff as an example of people who have worn masks for decades during their duties. Where are these supposed health effects you are alleging?
Truth is they don't exist cos you are spreading fake science.

As for covid-19?
They were on the wrong people.
They should have been on the patients as well as the staff.
It's been clearly shown that most masks are more effective at reducing transmission by stopping an infected patient spreading it via droplets - than at actually directly protecting a wearer from the virus.
That's the reason so many health staff got infected in March, early April.
And why cases suddenly dropped in late April to May when the masks were used to prevent transmission.
It's the reason those countries which adopted masks early such as th Czech Republic had far fewer cases than places like Ireland which got it wrong at the start.

xhomelezz

Yes: valved

Hand in Your Pants wrote: »

His right not to wear a mask absolutely trumps your 'right to live' as you call it. Your responsibility to protect yourself on the basis of your particular understanding of the virus, your understanding of the nature of transmission, and your understanding of the efficacy of masks is your business alone. Otherwise we would all be subject all of the time to the whims of hypochondriacs everywhere.

Are you having some pr exercise here?

robinph

No: I don't care enough

Spiderman0081 wrote: »

Try going for a ten mile run with a mask on. No wait don’t, every doctor in the world would advise against it. I wonder why

Pah, 10 miles is hardly worth getting out of bed for.

How about 22 miles?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/doctor-face-mask-oxygen-running-tom-lawton-yorkshire-a9633916.html%3famp

robinph

No: I don't care enough

Hand in Your Pants wrote: »

His right not to wear a mask absolutely trumps your 'right to live' as you call it. Your responsibility to protect yourself on the basis of your particular understanding of the virus, your understanding of the nature of transmission, and your understanding of the efficacy of masks is your business alone. Otherwise we would all be subject all of the time to the whims of hypochondriacs everywhere.

My right to life is also protected by various other things, such as the requirement for you to follow traffic laws, or manufacturers having to comply with health and safety laws or chemical companies having to not contaminate the water supply, or people having to not drive drunk. Loads of laws which are for the benefit of people other than those who are being restricted by those laws

Nothing at all unusual about the government mandating something for you to do that is solely for the reduction in risks to others.

pjohnson

I wonder are some of these having issue with wearing a mask trying to deepthroat or consume the mask?


Maybe masks just need much much clearer instructions.

eleventh

robinph wrote: »

Pah, 10 miles is hardly worth getting out of bed for.

How about 22 miles?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/doctor-face-mask-oxygen-running-tom-lawton-yorkshire-a9633916.html%3famp

They could set up a mask-wearing olympics, in a similar vein to those All you can eat contests they have in the US.
Extreme behaviour of individuals.

If they really want to test things, get a random sample of 100 mask-wearers off the street, see how they do running 1km or so. Have a control group of non-masked do the same. Repeat the test over time.

odyssey06

eleventh wrote: »

They could set up a mask-wearing olympics, in a similar vein to those All you can eat contests they have in the US.
Extreme behaviour of individuals.
If they really want to test things, get a random sample of 100 mask-wearers off the street, see how they do running 1km or so. Have a control group of non-masked do the same. Repeat the test over time.

You've given the game away by your "extreme behaviour" line.
Utterly absurd irrelevant and false comparison to the wearing of masks in everyday duties, shopping or on transport.
It's like using running a marathon as the basis for the long term effects of a daily jog.

To show how ridiculous your comparison is...
Let's have a control group of people of runners.
(a) Some are dressed in running shoes, shorts and a vest.
(b) Some are in tuxedos and dress shoes.
(c) Some are carrying a backpack and holding up an umbrella.
We could reasonably expect (a) to be fastest.

Does it tell us anything about the long term health effects of wearing a tuxedo and dress shoes?
Nope. Of course it doesn't.
Because it's a false comparison.

xhomelezz

Yes: valved

eleventh wrote: »

They could set up a mask-wearing olympics, in a similar vein to those All you can eat contests they have in the US.
Extreme behaviour of individuals.

If they really want to test things, get a random sample of 100 mask-wearers off the street, see how they do running 1km or so. Have a control group of non-masked do the same. Repeat the test over time.

Sry, back to image posting

eleventh

odyssey06, I wasn't talking about speed. The post I replied to wasn't either.
You can always ask for clarification if you don't understand something (rather than go off on a rant etc).

Seanergy

Yes: valved

Measc.ie FFP2 and surgical along with some face coverings were tested by Mater surgery this week. No results yet, not expecting any surprises, will be good to have data though and share data from an Irish source.

bush

No: other

pjohnson wrote: »

I wonder are some of these having issue with wearing a mask trying to deepthroat or consume the mask?


Maybe masks just need much much clearer instructions.

Have you tried wearing a mask for 8 to 10 hours in a very hot environment?

Graham

bush wrote: »

Have you tried wearing a mask for 8 to 10 hours in a very hot environment?

Which of the specified premises, services or businesses operate in a "very hot environment"?

Seanergy

Yes: valved

Any of the anti mandatory maskers on this thread want to meet in the city center later for a mask off?

bush

No: other

Graham wrote: »

Which of the specified premises, services or businesses operate in a "very hot environment"?

A kitchen

Stark

No: other

Seanergy wrote: »

Any of the anti mandatory maskers on this thread want to meet in the city center later for a mask off?

You mean 2pm at the custom House? Apparently there's a nutjob gathering scheduled for then.

Graham

bush wrote: »

A kitchen

Do you have a link to that requirement? I can't find it.

bush

No: other

Graham wrote: »

Do you have a link to that requirement? I can't find it.

Required by my employer. Are you suggesting i shouldn't wear it?

AUDI20

No: other

Spiderman0081 wrote: »

Hehe. The lack of oxygen is apparent

Haven't seen anyone falling down yet from lack of oxygen for wearing a mask. and if your out running 10miles you don't need one.

Graham

bush wrote: »

Required by my employer. Are you suggesting i shouldn't wear it?

Not at all. Well done your employer.

xhomelezz

Yes: valved

Stark wrote: »

You mean 2pm at the custom House? Apparently there's a nutjob gathering scheduled for then.

Would be nice to see cops finally doing something, if the gathering will break the safety measures

ExMachina1000

No: I will wait for the HSE to recommend

xhomelezz wrote: »

Would be nice to see cops finally doing something, if the gathering will break the safety measures

Like the protests for that American criminal guy?

xhomelezz

Yes: valved

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

Like the protests for that American criminal guy?

Hopefully this time they'll actually do something, if the rules are broken

saneman

Yes: surgical

bush wrote: »

Required by my employer. Are you suggesting i shouldn't wear it?

I doubt distance can be maintained in any working kitchen environment, what option does your employer have really?

There are also cooling products out there that can help if heat is the issue:

https://www.techniche-intl.com/products/evaporative-cooling-skull-caps-6536
https://www.techniche-intl.com/products/evaporative-cooling-neckbands-6519

bush

No: other

saneman wrote: »

I doubt distance can be maintained in any working kitchen environment, what option does your employer have really?

There are also cooling products out there that can help if heat is the issue:

https://www.techniche-intl.com/products/evaporative-cooling-skull-caps-6536
https://www.techniche-intl.com/products/evaporative-cooling-neckbands-6519

Its just a response to people who think wearing a mask is easy. Easy if your working at home and put it on for 5 mins to go get milk ye.

Tork

Yes: to protect others

Bush, you're unfortunate in that your job is one where mask wearing is particularly uncomfortable. For the vast majority of people, mask wearing is a small part of their day and something that may not even happen every day.

RoYoBo

Yes: valved

bush wrote: »

A kitchen

I sympathise, bush - a busy kitchen must be one of the worst places to have to wear a mask for a long period of time. With the impossibility of keeping any kind of distance from co-workers, it's also the riskiest place if you don't wear one.

I hope you can get plenty of breaks and some attention to cooling from your employer perhaps?

GT89

No: I will wait for the HSE to recommend

Jaysus I thought my job was bad but wearing a mask in a kitchen sounds awful. Kitchen staff in a restaurant I was in there recently weren't wearing them.

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000

No: I will wait for the HSE to recommend

GT89 wrote: »

Jaysus I thought my job was bad but wearing a mask in a kitchen sounds awful. Kitchen staff in a restaurant I was in there recently weren't wearing them.

Nobody is wearing them where the public can’t see them. Same in my place of work. It’s all for show. Go down the factory floor and not one person wears one. It’s far too much to expect of people to wear a mask for 12 hour shifts. I do about 30-35k walking per shift, absolutely no way in hell im wearing one.

weldoninhio

No: I will wait for the HSE to recommend

robinph wrote: »

I do have a right to not be infected by your failure to wear a mask because <something> though.

Someones weak genes are no one else’s concern. It’s evolution. It removes the weak genes from the pool by making them weak and vulnerable to disease that others can fight off. It’s been happening for millennia. Happens in all living things.

Jim_Hodge

Yes: homemade

weldoninhio wrote: »

Someones weak genes are no one else’s concern. It’s evolution. It removes the weak genes from the pool by making them weak and vulnerable to disease that others can fight off. It’s been happening for millennia. Happens in all living things.

Another totally incorrect interpretation of evolution.

weldoninhio

No: I will wait for the HSE to recommend

Hunky Monster wrote: »

Nobody is wearing them where the public can’t see them. Same in my place of work. It’s all for show. Go down the factory floor and not one person wears one. It’s far too much to expect of people to wear a mask for 12 hour shifts. I do about 30-35k walking per shift, absolutely no way in hell im wearing one.

I was out for dinner last night, you could see into the kitchen. None of the chefs were wearing masks. Didn’t bother me. The servers were.

xhomelezz

Yes: valved

weldoninhio wrote: »

Someones weak genes are no one else’s concern. It’s evolution. It removes the weak genes from the pool by making them weak and vulnerable to disease that others can fight off. It’s been happening for millennia. Happens in all living things.

Sure superman

Getting very close to win the most stupid post award, come on try harder to get the first prize, you can do it

weldoninhio

No: I will wait for the HSE to recommend

xhomelezz wrote: »

Sure superman

Getting very close to win the most stupid post award, come on try harder to get the first prize, you can do it

Never heard of evolution no? Survival of the fittest?

MadYaker

Yes: surgical

weldoninhio wrote: »

Never heard of evolution no? Survival of the fittest?

That’s not real, it’s all a hoax. No evidence for it. RTE propaganda.

xhomelezz

Yes: valved

weldoninhio wrote: »

Never heard of evolution no? Survival of the fittest?

Lol man, as I said keep trying and you'll get the gold medal.

Seanergy

Yes: valved

Stark wrote: »

You mean 2pm at the custom House? Apparently there's a nutjob gathering scheduled for then.

sure did all keyboard and no dancing shoes