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The Chinese Big Lie

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    #1802
    Das Reich
    Registered Users Posts: 736 ✭✭✭Das Reich


    thebaz wrote: »
    Why should they not allow an independent team of observers ?

    From some western countries like Usa, Uk, Canada or something like this i guess. People from those countries would not have any reason to throw s... on China, Iran or Russia.


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    #1803
    FVP3
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,187 ✭✭✭FVP3


    Infini wrote: »
    To be fair I'd honestly hold back on the "china made it" until more evidence emerges to prove otherwise, that being said the CCP are going to be in real trouble in the coming years because of this, calling it their "Chernobyl" is a fairly accurate assesment of it, it's all well and good trying to hide things from their own people but the rest of the world will remember and I'd expect a more accelerated shift away from China in the coming year's over this if they continue to just brazen their way through this, people inside China tried to alert the danger of this and they covered it up till it was too late, even now they try to hide what happened because the truth is they're too afraid or downright incapable of dealing with well earned criticism and this isn't the first time a virus has come out of there it's just the first time they let something escape that caused such widespread damage.

    What does brazen their way through this mean? They told the WHO on Dec 31st, the US president and a significant portion of the US controlled media was claiming the whole thing was a hoax two months later.

    What this whole episode proves to me how Irish people ( at least online) are utterly mind controlled by US propaganda. A quick google of the term "China's Chernobyl" shows how this phrase is invented in January, largely in the fever swamps of the neo conservative online yellow press.

    And although we keep hearing from the geniuses of this thread about how China will be decoupled from the world economy, not one person has suggested how that would work. I have posted before on how that is impossible, and not one response above the level of a 4 year old.

    You can't even get the guys posting in the Chinese Android thread to stop buying Android phones, and in the "worst company ever" is never Huawei, but Apple.

    And that's just consumers here. China is a major consumer of Germany and European goods, and the primary manufacturer of US goods.


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    #1804
    FVP3
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,187 ✭✭✭FVP3


    2u2me wrote: »
    I believe you are genuine, but genuinely brainwashed by the CCP!;)

    How could that happen? Where is the large CCP presence in western media.. There is brain washing going on here, and it is the control of cretinous Irish minds by the US media. I am pretty sure that this is a minority view online however, as Boards is clearly far to the right of most Irish opinion on everything.


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    #1805
    Danno
    Registered Users Posts: 8,913 ✭✭✭Danno


    FVP3 wrote: »
    What does brazen their way through this mean? They told the WHO on Dec 31st, the US president and a significant portion of the US controlled media was claiming the whole thing was a hoax two months later.

    Firstly lets have a fact check - Source: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-coronavirus-rally-remark/
    Despite creating some confusion with his remarks, Trump did not call the coronavirus itself a hoax.

    Secondly, WHO were announcing that initial studies into Covid-19 didn't show human-to-human transmission as late as mid-January.

    https://twitter.com/WHO/status/1217043229427761152?s=20

    Thirdly, WHO were communicating their *dissatisfaction* in Early February about countries locking down their borders over Covid-19:

    https://twitter.com/WHO/status/1224734993966096387?s=20

    But yes, it's all Trump's fault - not the CCP or the WHO who are basically one and the same at this stage.
    FVP3 wrote: »
    What this whole episode proves to me how Irish people ( at least online) are utterly mind controlled by US propaganda. A quick google of the term "China's Chernobyl" shows how this phrase is invented in January, largely in the fever swamps of the neo conservative online yellow press.

    Seriously? The vast majority of the US media despise Trump - and have made no secret of this at all. :rolleyes:
    FVP3 wrote: »
    And although we keep hearing from the geniuses of this thread about how China will be decoupled from the world economy, not one person has suggested how that would work. I have posted before on how that is impossible, and not one response above the level of a 4 year old.

    All bow to your superior knowledge.
    FVP3 wrote: »
    You can't even get the guys posting in the Chinese Android thread to stop buying Android phones, and in the "worst company ever" is never Huawei, but Apple.

    What has that got to do with the price of turnips?
    FVP3 wrote: »
    And that's just consumers here. China is a major consumer of Germany and European goods, and the primary manufacturer of US goods.

    China is a major consumer of IP theft.


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    #1806
    2u2me
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    FVP3 wrote: »
    How could that happen?

    Much easier done inside then outside the CCP


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    #1807
    Wibbs
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    FVP3 wrote: »
    I am pretty sure that this is a minority view online however, as Boards is clearly far to the right of most Irish opinion on everything.
    I thought it was full of lefty liberals? I can't keep up.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



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    #1808
    blinding
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,466 ✭✭✭blinding


    Wibbs wrote: »
    I thought it was full of lefty liberals? I can't keep up.
    There are certainly Lefty Stalinist Mods.


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    #1809
    ChelseaRentBoy
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    Pompeo now saying there is enormous evidence the virus started in a lab in Wuhan.

    He also declined to say if he thought it was intentionally released. The plot thickens.


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    #1810
    blinding
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,466 ✭✭✭blinding


    ChelseaRentBoy wrote: »
    Pompeo now saying there is enormous evidence the virus started in a lab in Wuhan.

    He also declined to say if he thought it was intentionally released. The plot thickens.
    The Americans should take whatever military action necessary to put the Chinese Communist Party in the $h!t of one of their Chinese Wet Markets.


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    #1811
    Wibbs
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    blinding wrote: »
    The Americans should take whatever military action necessary to put the Chinese Communist Party in the $h!t of one of their Chinese Wet Markets.
    Which would be about the stupidest thing since stupid was invented. We really don't want a war on top of all this.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



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    #1812
    ShatterAlan
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    ChelseaRentBoy wrote: »
    Pompeo now saying there is enormous evidence the virus started in a lab in Wuhan.

    He also declined to say if he thought it was intentionally released. The plot thickens.


    You should take a long hard look at Fauci. He was the one who funded the program to have the virus genetically modified so it would spread from animals to humans. He predicted a pandemic in 2016. How the F did he know? Obama halted the funding of research into modifying viruses to attack humans in a pandemic fashion but Fauci continued it. The man is a scumbag.


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    #1813
    JJJackal
    Registered Users Posts: 1,016 ✭✭✭JJJackal


    blinding wrote: »
    The Americans should take whatever military action necessary to put the Chinese Communist Party in the $h!t of one of their Chinese Wet Markets.

    And what would america do when China nuke everyone of their major cities in retaliation?


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    #1814
    skooterblue2
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    Yakult wrote: »
    Wish we could just North Korea them. As in restricted travel to and from China. Lock them in and lock the world out.

    Follow that idea through, China is the workshop of the world. Where would we get all the white goods, entertainment, electronics, toys, clothes, furniture, chemicals and what not, without the slave labour that we all happily ignore so we can all have an Xbox for under €300.


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    #1815
    blinding
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    Wibbs wrote: »
    Which would be about the stupidest thing since stupid was invented. We really don't want a war on top of all this.
    This is Chinese Communist Party’s March in to the “ Rhineland "

    Appeasement never works. Bomb the Chinese Communist Party out of their " Rhineland “


    Appeasement never works. The alligator only comes back for another handy meal. After a while, only the Chinese Communists are left ! ! !


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    #1816
    blinding
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,466 ✭✭✭blinding


    JJJackal wrote: »
    And what would america do when China nuke everyone of their major cities in retaliation?
    The Early Bird.


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    #1817
    blinding
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,466 ✭✭✭blinding


    JJJackal wrote: »
    And what would america do when China nuke everyone of their major cities in retaliation?
    The Early Bird.

    The Chinese Communist Party are going to have to be taken on at some point. Kill first, ask questions later.


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    #1818
    JJJackal
    Registered Users Posts: 1,016 ✭✭✭JJJackal


    blinding wrote: »
    The Early Bird.

    The Chinese Communist Party are going to have to be taken on at some point. Kill first, ask questions later.

    After you die from radiation?


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    #1819
    ShatterAlan
    Registered Users Posts: 2,807 ✭✭✭ShatterAlan


    blinding wrote: »
    The Early Bird.

    The Chinese Communist Party are going to have to be taken on at some point. Kill first, ask questions later.


    So what exactly are you suggesting? Just murdering members of the Chinese Central Committee?


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    #1820
    blinding
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,466 ✭✭✭blinding


    ShatterAlan wrote: »
    So what exactly are you suggesting? Just murdering members of the Chinese Central Committee?
    All of the Chinese Communist Leaders. You will notice that Iranian General has been very quite and harmless since his head was blown through his ass.

    Its very affective.

    Appeasement of Communists , Dictators , Communist Dictators, Fascists never works. The Crocodile always comes back for anther easy meal.

    I’d rather die a Free Man than die under the Communists or Fascists.

    Sometimes Freedom has to be fought and died for.


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    #1821
    threeball
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    blinding wrote: »
    All of the Chinese Communist Leaders. You will notice that Iranian General has been very quite and harmless since his head was blown through his ass.

    Its very affective.

    Appeasement of Communists , Dictators , Communist Dictators, Fascists never works. The Crocodile always comes back for anther easy meal.

    I’d rather die a Free Man than die under the Communists or Fascists.

    Sometimes Freedom has to be fought and died for.

    The end of lock down can't come soon enough for you.


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    #1822
    Wibbs
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    blinding wrote: »
    This is Chinese Communist Party’s March in to the “ Rhineland "

    Appeasement never works. Bomb the Chinese Communist Party out of their " Rhineland “


    Appeasement never works. The alligator only comes back for another handy meal. After a while, only the Chinese Communists are left ! ! !
    Slight problem with your fantasy, Hitler didn't have atomic weapons when he kicked off his European tour. His country wasn't making most of the stuff the rest of the world was buying either, nor were countries like the US in hock to him. Then you'd have the Russians none too happy the Yanks were launching a war at China.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



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    #1823
    blinding
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,466 ✭✭✭blinding


    Wibbs wrote: »
    Slight problem with your fantasy, Hitler didn't have atomic weapons when he kicked off his European tour. His country wasn't making most of the stuff the rest of the world was buying either, nor were countries like the US in hock to him. Then you'd have the Russians none too happy the Yanks were launching a war at China.
    Putin is much too wealthy to be anxious to die. Putin may not be that upset that the Chinese are brought back down to size.

    The Chinese Communists are going to have to be taken on. Appeasement won’t work.

    Time for a “ Chinese Take Out “

    We will not be pushed around by Communists. The Americans will do the right thing by Freedom.


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    #1824
    FVP3
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,187 ✭✭✭FVP3


    A war between the US and China would be a good thing alright, provided we Europeans stay out of it. Or side with China against the nut jobs.

    As for that cretinous imbecile Pompeo, realise that he is a Christian fundamentalist.

    From wiki:
    In 2014, Pompeo told a church group that Christians needed to "know that Jesus Christ as our savior is truly the only solution for our world".[164] In 2015 in a talk at a church, Pompeo said that "politics is a never-ending struggle ... until the Rapture."[165]

    Pompeo wants the world to end. so he can be saved by Jeebus before it all goes to sh1t.


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    #1825
    FVP3
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,187 ✭✭✭FVP3


    blinding wrote: »
    Putin is much too wealthy to be anxious to die. Putin may not be that upset that the Chinese are brought back down to size.

    The Chinese Communists are going to have to be taken on. Appeasement won’t work.

    Time for a “ Chinese Take Out “

    We will not be pushed around by Communists. The Americans will do the right thing by Freedom.

    Make America a nuclear wasteland. MAGA.


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    #1826
    blinding
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,466 ✭✭✭blinding


    FVP3 wrote: »
    Make America a nuclear wasteland. MAGA.
    Living under Communism is another type of wasteland !

    There is a Price for Freedom. No appeasement of Communists.


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    #1827
    Wibbs
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    blinding wrote: »
    The Americans will do the right thing by Freedom.
    Please god let you be joking.
    FVP3 wrote: »
    Make America a nuclear wasteland. MAGA.
    If they were to go toe to toe militarily the Americans would come out on top. They've way more firepower for a start and this wouldn't be the Americans fail at wars against insurgents(all nations do pretty much), it would be a conventional war.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



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    #1828
    Wibbs
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    blinding wrote: »
    Living under Communism is another type of wasteland !

    There is a Price for Freedom. No appeasement of Communists.
    yep either on a wind up, or deluded. I hope the former.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



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    #1829
    FVP3
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,187 ✭✭✭FVP3


    blinding wrote: »
    Living under Communism is another type of wasteland !

    There is a Price for Freedom. No appeasement of Communists.

    Nobody is going to make you "live under communism". The cold war is over. China isn't even communist anymore, and it has no ability to project its armies anywhere and no desire to.

    Now, get out of mammy's basement and get some air. It's a beautiful day.


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    #1830
    FVP3
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,187 ✭✭✭FVP3


    Wibbs wrote: »
    If they were to go toe to toe militarily the Americans would come out on top. They've way more firepower for a start and this wouldn't be the Americans fail at wars against insurgents(all nations do pretty much), it would be a conventional war.

    Since, in a conventional war, the Chinese wouldn't be invading America but the Americans would try to take out China, I am pretty dubious about that.

    The US had to nuke Japan rather than invade it, and China has hundreds of millions of men of army age to defend China, and huge industrial capacity. They also apparently have developed (cruise type) missiles to take down aircraft carriers and the rest of the American fleet, and much of the US bases in the region are under possible threat too. This isn't Iraq, or Libya.


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    #1831
    Experience_day
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    FVP3 wrote: »
    Nobody is going to make you "live under communism". The cold war is over. China isn't even communist anymore, and it has no ability to project its armies anywhere and no desire to.

    Now, get out of mammy's basement and get some air. It's a beautiful day.


    I would posit that it's more the idea of playing a RTS game or risk where you focus primarily on building yourself up. Once China has built it's reserves up and with its blooming middle class, the idea of it staying in it's current format is laughable at best....disingenuous at worst..


    Their aggressive expansion into Africa and it's continual pushing in the seas along with ignoring sovereign right of nations alone is pretty clear of that.


    America needs to put China into line or China will be the dominant force in the 21st century. America is blessed with it's geographical landscape, but China has the landmass connection to exert the real influence (along with nominally appearing "globalised" against the protectionist USA. (Trump did not favours with his America first being levelled against his allies along with foes).


    America isn't the saviour of the world but rather that than China.


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