The Chinese Big Lie

FVP3

Experience_day wrote: »

I would posit that it's more the idea of playing a RTS game or risk where you focus primarily on building yourself up. Once China has built it's reserves up and with its blooming middle class, the idea of it staying in it's current format is laughable at best....disingenuous at worst..


Their aggressive expansion into Africa and it's continual pushing in the seas along with ignoring sovereign right of nations alone is pretty clear of that.

Do you think only the West can "exploit" Africa. China is popular in China, the West isnt. Maybe the remember the Congo. Or US support for apartheid South Africa.

https://www.afrobarometer.org/publications/ad122-chinas-growing-presence-africa-wins-largely-positive-popular-reviews

America needs to put China into line or China will be the dominant force in the 21st century..

China is going to be the dominant force in the 21st C whatever happens. That is why Europe needs to join with the belt and road initiative, and abandon the US, which is increasingly a hostile polity anyway.

America isn't the saviour of the world but rather that than China.

I don't think China ever said it was, the US definitely promotes itself as the natural world leader. Nevertheless it's in Europe's interests push away from a country that is clearly crazy.

blinding

America needs to do to China what it did to Japan; Tame it.

Wibbs

blinding wrote: »

America needs to do to China what it did to Japan; Tame it.

Or simply cut right back on buying what they produce and start to produce more stuff more locally. You're probably typing all this on a Chinese made phone or PC.

theguzman

blinding wrote: »

America needs to do to China what it did to Japan; Tame it.

Nuke China?

blinding

theguzman wrote: »

Nuke China?

They need taming like the Japanese.

fryup

you're not espousing nuclear war surely??

Infini

blinding wrote: »

They need taming like the Japanese.

They have Nuke's too you know, both sides are smart enough to realise that kind of war is essentially Game Over for both countries as they know it so the chance of that happening is almost non existent.

Xertz

blinding wrote: »

America needs to do to China what it did to Japan; Tame it.

1. China has not attacked the US in anyway.
2. China is heavily nuclear armed itself.
3. Any such move would destroy the global economy.

blinding

Xertz wrote: »

1. China has not attacked the US in anyway.
2. China is heavily nuclear armed itself.
3. Any such move would destroy the global economy.

China has done incredible damage ( ruined ) to the world economy.

Communists can not be allowed to continue to have such an influence on the World. Communism always ends in disaster for humanity.

Certainly it has been a huge mistake to let the Chinese Communist Party get to the situation we are in today.

Appeasement never works. The Alligator just returns for the next handy meal.

biko

For China this crisis have worked out well so far.
Sure a bunch of people dead but there are many more workers to be shipped in from the countryside.

China are now trying to buy up failing businesses in other countries.
We need to act like Australia and simply stop China from buying anything.

They unleashed this horror on the world, damned if they will benefit from it.

blinding

biko wrote: »

For China this crisis have worked out well so far.
Sure a bunch of people dead but there are many more workers to be shipped in from the countryside.

China are now trying to buy up failing businesses in other countries.
We need to act like Australia and simply stop China from buying anything.

They unleashed this horror on the world, damned if they will benefit from it.

The only Chinese Takeaway we should take away from this is our business, our money, and refuse to pay the Chinese any debt owed to them.

A take it or leave it offer.

Rodney Bathgate

blinding wrote: »

The only Chinese Takeaway we should take away from this is our business, our money, and refuse to pay the Chinese any debt owed to them.

A take it or leave it offer.

Start by nationalising all chinese restaurants and takeaways.

blinding

Rodney Bathgate wrote: »

Start by nationalising all chinese restaurants and takeaways.

And make them sell Irish Stew.

No Bat Stew or other Mad Chinese Wet Market Stuff.

2u2me

blinding wrote: »

And make them sell Irish Stew.

No Bat Stew or other Mad Chinese Wet Market Stuff.

Yeah! let's buy all the restaurants off the chinese, then force them to close by making them sell Irish stew

blinding

2u2me wrote: »

Yeah! let's buy all the restaurants off the chinese, then force them to close by making them sell Irish stew

It will become compulsory to eat large amounts of Irish Stew.

You won’t see no Irish Cow , Bullock, Heifer, Lamb. Sheep frequenting no Chinese Wet Market. They wouldn’t be seen dead in that sort of place.

Grab All Association

https://www.ft.com/content/a2f66f6a-50cb-46fe-a160-3854e4702f1c

Anti Austerity/ people before profit likes this ^

Shills and bots for the CPC going after any poster who calls for sanctions against China.

2u2me

Grab All Association wrote: »

https://www.ft.com/content/a2f66f6a-50cb-46fe-a160-3854e4702f1c

Anti Austerity/ people before profit likes this ^

Shills and bots for the CPC going after any poster who calls for sanctions against China.

Yeah everyone who calls out the prospect of a nuclear war with China or some kind of Chinese restaurant reform is a shill!

It's always someone else's fault to fix, when the power is in our own hands as other posters have pointed out. No-one wants to give up their top of the range smart phone with 5g.

In Thailand foreigners can't own more than 49% of anything. Why can't we do something like that here? Before this outbreak talking about this would get you called 'right-wing' 'protectionist' 'nationalist' 'that's something Trump would say' etc.. etc..

threeball

FVP3 wrote: »

Since, in a conventional war, the Chinese wouldn't be invading America but the Americans would try to take out China, I am pretty dubious about that.

The US had to nuke Japan rather than invade it, and China has hundreds of millions of men of army age to defend China, and huge industrial capacity. They also apparently have developed (cruise type) missiles to take down aircraft carriers and the rest of the American fleet, and much of the US bases in the region are under possible threat too. This isn't Iraq, or Libya.

Agree, war in this case is mutually assured destruction. There's no handy sit off shore and bombard them option. China have a lot more options than the soft touches America tend to take on and a budget to match. Anyone hoping these two go toe to toe is probably a bit soft in the head.

na1

Marsden35 wrote: »

Oh, it's definitely their fault.

It's definitely the fault of a modern country still having medieval food hygiene practices that even most of the 3rd world has overcome.

Despite this happening previously, they still insist on eating animals specifically known to carry diseases that can be transmitted to humans.

What about eating raw oysters in Ireland & UK?
Surströmming (rotten herring)in Sweden?
Casu marzu (rotten cheese) in Sardinia?
Or Japaneese sushi?

ek motor

'An internal Chinese report warns that Beijing faces a rising wave of hostility in the wake of the coronavirus outbreak that could tip relations with the United States into confrontation, people familiar with the paper told Reuters.'



https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-china-sentiment-ex/exclusive-internal-chinese-report-warns-beijing-faces-tiananmen-like-global-backlash-over-virus-idUSKBN22G19C

blinding

Do you ever notice how Chinese restaurants never open Early.

I say hit the Chinese early in the morning.

Infini

biko wrote: »

For China this crisis have worked out well so far.
Sure a bunch of people dead but there are many more workers to be shipped in from the countryside.

China are now trying to buy up failing businesses in other countries.
We need to act like Australia and simply stop China from buying anything.

They unleashed this horror on the world, damned if they will benefit from it.

Doubt it's worked out that well considering the fallout.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/05/china-warned-tiananmen-backlash-coronavirus-report-200505010850280.html

Basically this virus has becoming "China's Chernobyl" it's also caused relations with other countries to degrade as bad as back when Tiananmen Square happened. If anything they've really messed up as this kind of thing can become corrosive to their long term plans with other countries.

If anything they've put unwelcome eyes on themselves and actually given the more hawkish elements of the US and that more ammo to challenge them. Dunno if we'll end up with another cold war but they've managed to damage alot of trust with other nations around the world over it and they'll have to change the way they do things if they want to repair the damage. I dunno if there will be an armed confrontation with them but it certainly wouldn't end well for them anymore than it could with the US and it's really something they would absolutely want to avoid as the damage from something like that would be far far worse.

threeball

Infini wrote: »

Doubt it's worked out that well considering the fallout.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/05/china-warned-tiananmen-backlash-coronavirus-report-200505010850280.html

Basically this virus has becoming "China's Chernobyl" it's also caused relations with other countries to degrade as bad as back when Tiananmen Square happened. If anything they've really messed up as this kind of thing can become corrosive to their long term plans with other countries.

If anything they've put unwelcome eyes on themselves and actually given the more hawkish elements of the US and that more ammo to challenge them. Dunno if we'll end up with another cold war but they've managed to damage alot of trust with other nations around the world over it and they'll have to change the way they do things if they want to repair the damage. I dunno if there will be an armed confrontation with them but it certainly wouldn't end well for them anymore than it could with the US and it's really something they would absolutely want to avoid as the damage from something like that would be far far worse.

I can certainly see europe and european companies starting to transfer assets and production away from China in the near future. Its now clear that having all eggs in that basket is foolhardy from a reliance standpoint and also affording China too much economic clout. People were already coming to the end of their tether with Chinas constant flouting of IP laws and raiding of patents. Others will follow suit if Europe does this.

cryptocurrency

I can see China still growing and lot's of european and american companies getting frustrated as they get pushed futher and further outside having a piece of this pie by both their own western governments and rising Chinese patriotism to by Chinese tech.

Apple and various other companies will not want to sit out of the biggest luxuary goods market in the world and one that is ever expanding.

Think the Chinese themselves can find plenty of work arounds for much of the products they will be told they can't have.

cryptocurrency

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/coronavirus-china-lab-wuhan-no-evidence-who-trump-mike-pompeo-a9499491.html?utm_term=Autofeed&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1588682613

Last few days has really seen the who lab theory fall apart. They need to pony up some evidence or all the people who believed trhe lab theory without question will look seriously dumb.

MadYaker

Only idiots believe it was made in a lab. Humans can’t make viruses. We can modify existing ones but we can’t make them from scratch. It’s a naturally occurring virus founded in bats and a few other animals.

Good to see the CCP still stonewalling any attempts to find out what actually happened. That’ll help get the international community back onside.

riddles

It’s clear viruses are not man made but they Are harvested from bats for analysis and identification. Is it known if this lab in Wuhan engages in this practise?

Either or it’s a tremendous opportunity for the West to wake up to this awful state once and for all.

biko

MadYaker wrote: »

Only idiots believe it was made in a lab. Humans can’t make viruses. We can modify existing ones but we can’t make them from scratch.

I've missed a lot of posts but I have never seen anyone claim covid, or any virus, was made from scratch.

cryptocurrency

riddles wrote: »

It’s clear viruses are not man made but they Are harvested from bats for analysis and identification. Is it known if this lab in Wuhan engages in this practise?

Either or it’s a tremendous opportunity for the West to wake up to this awful state once and for all.

It is an opportunity and being jumped on. Also, if we are waking up there is a lot of states that need to be worken up too, many seen as allies. The China and Russian obsession is down to them being big enough to speak right back at the west.

I am not so sure if the term the west works now but to the huge gaps in the ethics of some its member states and others....not all western states are equal.

Mike3287

MadYaker wrote: »

Only idiots believe it was made in a lab. Humans can’t make viruses. We can modify existing ones but we can’t make them from scratch. It’s a naturally occurring virus founded in bats and a few other animals.

Good to see the CCP still stonewalling any attempts to find out what actually happened. That’ll help get the international community back onside.

CCP seems very spooked at the thought of investigations though

It does seem a little suspicious no?

I mean if it wasn't due to an accidental viral leak, then it's gotta be one of the biggest coincidences ever.

Chinese lab in Wuhan the largest coronavirus lab in the world.



Outbreak of the coronavirus claimed to have originated 100m from the Wuhan viral lab

US inspectors complaining about virus safety in that lab many times over the years

Top it all off a bloody military warfare games on in Wuhan in October 2019, participated by largest countries in the world, with many athletes getting sick over there with Covid symptoms

You'd have to wonder