Relaxation of restrictions

DeVore

But we havent reached that level here. This isnt a "lock down", you can walk within 2km of your house for exercise. You can shop for necessaries.

Its hardly goons with guns patrolling the streets demanding papiern!

It cant last forever and it wont last forever but Christ, its been what, a week?

Diarmuid

Why aren't we copying South Korea instead of discussing how long more we can lock the country down.
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/03/south-korea-covid-19-containment-testing/

Unlike Italy, China, the UK and parts of the US, there was no lockdown in South Korea. It did, however, close its schools. There have been postponed attempts at reopening them, but reopen they must, according to Foreign Minister Kang.

“We aim to open our schools on 6 April – the right to an education is a crucial part of our social values. We’ve postponed school openings twice, now we’re saying we can’t deprive our children of their right to learn. That means we have to do everything in the next two weeks to maintain the spread at a manageable level.”

oceanman

Blueshoe wrote: »

Restrictions must stay in place until new cases drop almost fully away. China did it and that's the rough model being followed by most countries.
I personally know someone in Paris who hasn't been outside in 3 weeks.
It's been a week or so here. I feel there is a long way to go yet.

People need to pull themselves together and deal with it. There are millions and millions around the world in the same position.

very true..i don't see why some people are complaining after only a week for god sake. most of us are lucky enough to have a roof over our heads, food in the fridge, a tv to watch, mobile phone ect. what more do you need? I know its hard to not be able to socialise with friends and relatives but its not the end of the world. get used to it...it will last a lot longer than some people think.

Diarmuid

oceanman wrote: »

very true..i don't see why some people are complaining after only a week for god sake

Because a lot of people have the ability to look forward and see where this is going, if we maintain our current approach.

easypazz

oceanman wrote: »

very true..i don't see why some people are complaining after only a week for god sake. most of us are lucky enough to have a roof over our heads, food in the fridge, a tv to watch, mobile phone ect. what more do you need? I know its hard to not be able to socialise with friends and relatives but its not the end of the world. get used to it...it will last a lot longer than some people think.

How long do you expect current restrictions to last?

irishgeo

easypazz wrote: »

How long do you expect current restrictions to last?

No more than 4 weeks.

Then back to ones we had before.

oceanman

Diarmuid wrote: »

Because a lot of people have the ability to look forward and see where this is going, if we maintain our current approach.

and where exactly is it going? we are all doing this to try and contain the virus from spreading and hopefully get ahead of it.

0gac3yjefb5sv7

oceanman wrote: »

very true..i don't see why some people are complaining after only a week for god sake. most of us are lucky enough to have a roof over our heads, food in the fridge, a tv to watch, mobile phone ect. what more do you need? I know its hard to not be able to socialise with friends and relatives but its not the end of the world. get used to it...it will last a lot longer than some people think.

No it won't last longer than people think. Someone said Christmas yesterday :rolleyes:

It will last 4 weeks maximum & then back to the old restrictions.

AdamD

DeVore wrote: »

But we havent reached that level here. This isnt a "lock down", you can walk within 2km of your house for exercise. You can shop for necessaries.

Its hardly goons with guns patrolling the streets demanding papiern!

It cant last forever and it wont last forever but Christ, its been what, a week?

A week for some perhaps. The old restrictions and the new haven't really been much different for me (and I don't mean that as a positive). Working from home all day, then out for a walk and go to the supermarket. I'm nearing the end of week 4 of that and its not enjoyable.

0gac3yjefb5sv7

AdamD wrote: »

A week for some perhaps. The old restrictions and the new haven't really been much different for me (and I don't mean that as a positive). Working from home all day, then out for a walk and go to the supermarket. I'm nearing the end of week 4 of that and its not enjoyable.

Exactly this. Been told to WFH for the last 4 weeks.

facehugger99

BanditLuke wrote: »

Absolutely and that's the worry. A lot of people still with their head buried deep in the sand thinking restrictions wil be lifted by May/June :rolleyes:

People need to mentally prepare themselves for the long haul.

Ironically, it's the lads who think the current restrictions are sustainable for months, that have their heads buried somewhere.

Icepick

easypazz wrote: »

While you may have all those nice things, there are plenty who don't.

Like old people trapped in their home alone.

Sure, but people here are complaining about their comfortable circumstances.

TheCitizen

tdf7187 wrote: »

The restrictions are already causing disproportionate hardship and should be relaxed if not entirely removed. Sweden has none and is doing fine. But hey it's great for the coppers and their overtime so celebrate.

Are you getting anxty

oceanman

Pheonix10 wrote: »

No it won't last longer than people think. Someone said Christmas yesterday :rolleyes:

It will last 4 weeks maximum & then back to the old restrictions.

that's one hell of a crystal ball you have there....

easypazz

oceanman wrote: »

that's one hell of a crystal ball you have there....

I've asked you already, how long do you think restrictions will last

easypazz

oceanman wrote: »

....it will last a lot longer than some people think.

oceanman wrote: »

that's one hell of a crystal ball you have there....

Pot, kettle, black.

gilly1910

oceanman wrote: »

very true..i don't see why some people are complaining after only a week for god sake. most of us are lucky enough to have a roof over our heads, food in the fridge, a tv to watch, mobile phone ect. what more do you need? I know its hard to not be able to socialise with friends and relatives but its not the end of the world. get used to it...it will last a lot longer than some people think.

I disagree that it's been only a week as the initial lockdown commenced on Sunday the 15th of March , so this is in effect our third week although the more restrictive elements of the lockdown only came into effect last Friday. So either way life has changed massively for most people, hundreds of thousands are now unemployed, some businesses may never reopen after this, not to mention the effect this will have on the state of mind of many people, so no we will never get used to this. So while all of this is absolutely necessary, it is still a horrible time, and the sooner it ends the better for all of us.

BanditLuke

DeVore wrote: »

But we havent reached that level here. This isnt a "lock down", you can walk within 2km of your house for exercise. You can shop for necessaries.

Its hardly goons with guns patrolling the streets demanding papiern!

It cant last forever and it wont last forever but Christ, its been what, a week?

I think it's the generation we live in. People are more than prepared to put up facebook memes and virtue signal about "staying home for Ireland" etc..but as soon as the novelty wears off they will show their true colours. I've even read people talking about stuff like "can i book a sun holiday in June" ffs .Imagine these people in a real lockdown or war time scenerio :rolleyes:

Blueshoe

gilly1910 wrote: »

I disagree that it's been only a week as the initial lockdown commenced on Sunday the 15th of March , so this is in effect our third week although the more restrictive elements of the lockdown only came into effect last Friday. So either way life has changed massively for most people, hundreds of thousands are now unemployed, some businesses may never reopen after this, not to mention the effect this will have on the state of mind of many people, so no we will never get used to this. So while all of this is absolutely necessary, it is still a horrible time, and the sooner it ends the better for all of us.

This isn't a lockdown. Check out Italy, Spain or France if you want to know what lockdown restrictions are.
Be thankful that this is all that's being asked of us during a global pandemic

easypazz

gilly1910 wrote: »

I disagree that it's been only a week as the initial lockdown commenced on Sunday the 15th of March , so this is in effect our third week although the more restrictive elements of the lockdown only came into effect last Friday. So either way life has changed massively for most people, hundreds of thousands are now unemployed, some businesses may never reopen after this, not to mention the effect this will have on the state of mind of many people, so no we will never get used to this. So while all of this is absolutely necessary, it is still a horrible time, and the sooner it ends the better for all of us.

Don't expect any more contributions from "oceanman" he has run to the hills.

He scoffs at everybody else's predictions but is unable to share his timelines with us.

TheCitizen

Red Alert wrote: »

Simon Harris curiously made a comment that there was a limit to how long people could put up with extreme level of restrictions as we currently have. Already we’re seeing in Italy that people are starting to get restless. So two big questions:

1) on Easter Sunday, do you think there will be further restrictions, no change with just an extension or some relaxation?

2) what will be the first thing rolled back?

My own guess would be: extension for at least 1 week. Then to allow some businesses like DIY shops to reopen, perhaps allow gatherings of 2/3 people, maybe a token increase on 2km.

Any evidence of this in bold above?

Pete_Cavan

oceanman wrote: »

very true..i don't see why some people are complaining after only a week for god sake. most of us are lucky enough to have a roof over our heads, food in the fridge, a tv to watch, mobile phone ect. what more do you need? I know its hard to not be able to socialise with friends and relatives but its not the end of the world. get used to it...it will last a lot longer than some people think.

People aren't complaining after only a week, many are saying it can't go on for months as some seem to think. People are looking to what comes next, not looking back on the last week.

Claims that the current restrictions will last until July are nonsense, at that stage there will be no economy to reopen and there will be plenty of social problems too. The virus isn't going to disappear, we need a functioning economy to be able to fight it in the next few months, the government can't pay half the workforce to sit at home for several months.

Blueshoe

TheCitizen wrote: »

Any evidence of this in bold above?

https://www-bloomberg-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.bloomberg.com/amp/news/articles/2020-03-30/italy-risks-losing-grip-in-south-with-fears-of-looting-and-riots?amp_js_v=a3&amp_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQFKAGwASA%3D#aoh=15858189861330&csi=1&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.bloomberg.com%2Fnews%2Farticles%2F2020-03-30%2Fitaly-risks-losing-grip-in-south-with-fears-of-looting-and-riots

oceanman

easypazz wrote: »

I've asked you already, how long do you think restrictions will last

I don't know...and neither do you, and neither dose anybody else at this stage. I very much doubt it will be over in a few weeks though...that would be living in la la land.

growleaves

It cant last forever and it wont last forever but Christ, its been what, a week?

But loads of us have been sat in for 3 weeks now.

Sweet.Science

Pete_Cavan wrote: »

People aren't complaining after only a week, many are saying it can't go on for months as some seem to think. People are looking to what comes next, not looking back on the last week.

Claims that the current restrictions will last until July are nonsense, at that stage there will be no economy to reopen and there will be plenty of social problems too. The virus isn't going to disappear, we need a functioning economy to be able to fight it in the next few months, the government can't pay half the workforce to sit at home for several months.

It seemed to be a 12 week plan they had from the start. So they are hoping June . Who knows if that will happen. Positive early signs though

growleaves

https://www.ft.com/content/eb81dc96-c2bd-4c1c-ac8a-bf88653b0b8d

“We don’t have any more money!” a man screamed at police stationed outside a closed bank in the southern city of Bari in a video posted online on Friday. According to regional media, he was unable to access his state benefit payments.

“You should come to my house and see my kitchen, it's completely empty,” his partner shouted. “You are disgusting! The state is disgusting!”

In another video, posted online by the Italian daily Corriere della Sera, a man in Naples arrives at a supermarket checkout unable to pay. “This man has no money to pay for his food, he can't eat, he didn't buy wine or champagne, he bought pasta and bread,” an observer argued with the staff.

Tensions have been most evident in Italy’s poorer south. Over the weekend armed police were deployed to supermarkets in Palermo, Sicily, over fears that some customers would not pay for food. Leoluca Orlando, the city’s mayor, warned in an interview with newspaper La Stampa that anger in the city risked spilling over into violence.

easypazz

oceanman wrote: »

I don't know...and neither do you, and neither dose anybody else at this stage. I very much doubt it will be over in a few weeks though...that would be living in la la land.

So if you don't know why are you saying it will last a lot longer than people think?

Pete_Cavan

Sweet.Science wrote: »

It seemed to be a 12 week plan they had from the start. So they are hoping June . Who knows if that will happen. Positive early signs though

But not 12 weeks of the current restrictions. 2 weeks of previous restrictions, 3/4 of the current and then back to another 6/7 weeks of previous would seem about right to me.

iguana

It was reported recently that Germany is considering issuing immunity certificates once reliable antibody testing is rolled out. People with antibodies will have restrictions lifted before other people and have to carry their immunity card around with them. While this makes obvious sense, I could see it also leading to a situation where people deliberately infect themselves. When reliable antibody testing becomes available I strongly suspect we are going to start hearing of more and more people who had a weird but relatively mild illness in February/March/April and are now immune. If you are stuck at home, frustrated, bored and worried about your job/money while several people you know are getting back to normal after never really being sick, the temptation to get infected and get back to normal asap would be enormous. And while that would probably work out for a lot of people, it could lead very quickly to a second wave of severe cases that overwhelms the health system again.

I think that if we discover a reasonable cohort of immune people in the next few weeks/months an immunity card offering extra responsibilities could make more sense than one offering more freedoms. People with immunity could take on work supporting people who are 'cocooning' for example. They could work in care homes or in hospital support roles if needed, without presenting the same risk to residents/patients. It would make use of the section of the population with immunity without stoking an envy that could lead people to make dangerous choices.

https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-germany-covid-19-immunity-certificates-testing-social-distancing-lockdown-2020-3?r=US&IR=T