Relaxation of restrictions

Skylinehead

road_high wrote: »

The lockdown Fetishists will be delighted- another business down the drain. Soon there won’t be much left to go to bar supermarkets and nothing to spend
https://www.businesspost.ie/companies/debenhams-to-put-its-irish-arm-into-liquidation-49b98491

Mod: Stop with this "lockdown Fetish" crap. People being responsible doesn't mean they enjoy it.

pjohnson

ITman88 wrote: »

Not it’s not an unprecedented health issue.

It’s an unprecedented response

Dissapointed you didnt blame the tabloids again or just say its all fake news/a hoax.

lastusername

ITman88 wrote: »

Not it’s not an unprecedented health issue.

It’s an unprecedented response

It is - when in our time was there a highly contagious disease (that can affect the young just as much as the elderly) floating around with no vaccine and no cure?

shocksy

lastusername wrote: »

It is - when in our time was there a highly contagious disease (that can affect the young just as much as the elderly) floating around with no vaccine and no cure?

You're wasting your time trying to reason with him. He's joined at the hip with that other fool facehugger.

Plumbthedepths

lastusername wrote: »

It's already an unprecedented health issue...!

Nope, Black death , Spanish Flu just to name two previous pandemic outbreaks.

lastusername

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Nope, Black death , Spanish Flu just to name two previous pandemic outbreaks.

How did you make it through those two?! I was saying above we're talking about in our time

JMNolan

I lived through the AIDS pandemic.

lastusername

JMNolan wrote: »

I lived through the AIDS pandemic.

You didn't get that from simply walking through a group of people though, or jumping on the bus.

timmy_mallet

Nermal wrote: »

Christ. Someone take him aside and tell him that in two weeks, we'll be exactly like we are now but €1.7B poorer.

Here's the UK doing what we cannot - directly financing government expenditure:
https://www.ft.com/content/664c575b-0f54-44e5-ab78-2fd30ef213cb

But but but, we will save 50000 lives globally, we must set fire to ourselves to do that!!!

CrabRevolution

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Nope, Black death , Spanish Flu just to name two previous pandemic outbreaks.

Generally if the best answer you can come up with involves saying something isn't as bad as the Black Death, you're on a pretty shaky footing....

FloatingVoter

ITman88 wrote: »

Ah FFS Kiki I’m after spitting out my coffee with that statement

Those civil servants are manning the jammed phonelines regarding welfare payments and risking their lives for your coffee break.

Cork Boy 53

ITman88 wrote: »

Very hard to know, judging by some of the posters suggestions on here, he could be senior hurling by the time we are out of the police state

If you think that the restrictions we have now are evidence of a "police state" then you should take a look at what was implemented in China and Singapore after the virus started to take hold there.

Plumbthedepths

lastusername wrote: »

How did you make it through those two?! I was saying above we're talking about in our time

There are still people alive from the Spanish flu era.
Btw you claimed the virus affects the young the same as the elderly. (My response was in reply to your claim of unprecedented pandemic which is untrue. Feel free to move the goal posts however.)
Are you aware of the median age of mortality due to the virus?

never_mind

Trying to compare what’s going on to the AIDS pandemic is a bit of a reach. In many ways that was far worse and far more stigmatising and millions died. However, the initial handling of AIDS saw people avoiding shaking hands with gay men and avoiding being near them. As we learn more about Covid we might better understand transmission and where once you wouldn’t even dream of kissing a Poz person we now know it’s hard to transmit that way.

Plumbthedepths

FloatingVoter wrote: »

Those civil servants are manning the jammed phonelines regarding welfare payments and risking their lives for your coffee break.

How is someone answering a phone risking their life?

ixoy

FloatingVoter wrote: »

Those civil servants are manning the jammed phonelines regarding welfare payments and risking their lives for your coffee break.

They are practicing social distancing - it's not exactly the front-line. I do wonder though why they haven't seen if they can work from home a bit more. Other people are working with sensitive data from home too so I don't think GDPR cuts it.

delricyo

arctictree wrote: »

My young lad, who is sport mad is being driven crazy due to lack of matches and training. Anyone have a rough idea when team sports will be back up again? (Football, Hurling, Soccer etc....)

I'd say the League of Ireland is finished now. Only a handful of clubs have the money to keep themselves ticking over.

lastusername

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

There are still people alive from the Spanish flu era.
Btw you claimed the virus affects the young the same as the elderly. (My response was in reply to your claim of unprecedented pandemic which is untrue. Feel free to move the goal posts however.)
Are you aware of the median age of mortality due to the virus?

Not moving any goalposts, it seems obvious that this is not unprecedented in history. I am sure there were pandemics that happened three thousand years ago that we here know nothing about. When people say 'unprecedented' it appears they mean in our lifetime, IMO at least.

Cork Boy 53

lastusername wrote: »

It is - when in our time was there a highly contagious disease (that can affect the young just as much as the elderly) floating around with no vaccine and no cure?

Well there was swine flu, SARS, MERS but they were on nowhere near the scale of this virus outbreak.

All_in_Flynn

Have heard from two different people now that they are allowing hardware stores open again on Monday.

This can't be true can it? I'm not seeing it anywhere online or have I missed something?

KaneToad

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

How is someone answering a phone risking their life?

They are doing it from a central office with others present. They will be encountering more people in a day than many will encounter in a week. They are at a higher risk of catching a virus that has no cure and could be fatal. That is the risk to their life. It wouldn't be on a par with that of those working in a hospital environment but it is higher than that of people who are staying at home.

Logan Roy

All_in_Flynn wrote: »

Have heard from two different people now that they are allowing hardware stores open again on Monday.

This can't be true can it? I'm not seeing it anywhere online or have I missed something?

Nothing official on this as of yet, maybe they've heard it through the grapevine.

Plumbthedepths

CrabRevolution wrote: »

Generally if the best answer you can come up with involves saying something isn't as bad as the Black Death, you're on a pretty shaky footing....

The poster I replied to, claimed the present pandemic is unprecedented. I gave two examples to disprove that claim.
Your response seems to be based on something you think I said . I suggest you read what I said and not attribute something to me I never said.

marno21

All_in_Flynn wrote: »

Have heard from two different people now that they are allowing hardware stores open again on Monday.

This can't be true can it? I'm not seeing it anywhere online or have I missed something?

Most hardware stores are wide expansive places that are never too busy, and if people are buying stuff in there to keep themselves busy it'd be much better than people leaving the house because they're board.

There's also likely to be a few people who have repairs overdue that they weren't able to do because the hardware shops were closed.

They'd be the first places I'd open when restrictions are relaxed.

road_high

All_in_Flynn wrote: »

Have heard from two different people now that they are allowing hardware stores open again on Monday.

This can't be true can it? I'm not seeing it anywhere online or have I missed something?

Heard that too. But from the sisters husband. But not official. They said this weekend but can't see that happening, no way. So many would have heart failure.

Downlinz

All_in_Flynn wrote: »

Have heard from two different people now that they are allowing hardware stores open again on Monday.

This can't be true can it? I'm not seeing it anywhere online or have I missed something?

It seems a grey area where they're being asked to remain closed but the new legislation has meant Gardai can't legally enforce this. I presume this will be clarified soon.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/bank-holiday-weekend-confusion-as-new-laws-allow-garden-centres-and-hardware-shops-to-reopen-39116286.html

FloatingVoter

ixoy wrote: »

They are practicing social distancing - it's not exactly the front-line. I do wonder though why they haven't seen if they can work from home a bit more. Other people are working with sensitive data from home too so I don't think GDPR cuts it.

It's not just GDPR, mainly that some crap needs bumping upstairs and group consults on complex calls are commonplace. Agreed, 99% of the calls could be taken by someone in Tahiti. It's the hairy and sometimes very vulnerable ones that cause issues.

i.e. non-citizens on GNIB cards, frontier workers (that hit the papers today), the self-employed (which is every busker you ever walked past amongst others).

Naturally, the top brass have scattered back to their conference calls regarding statistics. Which is ****ing helpful when "I want to talk to your manager" raises it's head.

All_in_Flynn

marno21 wrote: »

Most hardware stores are wide expansive places that are never too busy, and if people are buying stuff in there to keep themselves busy it'd be much better than people leaving the house because they're board.

There's also likely to be a few people who have repairs overdue that they weren't able to do because the hardware shops were closed.

They'd be the first places I'd open when restrictions are relaxed.

Oh I agree, they'd be first place I'd open back up too but I'd just be very surprised if true. I hope its the case as I have a DIY project I want to do but can't get a supply of wood.

Tell me how

lastusername wrote: »

It is - when in our time was there a highly contagious disease (that can affect the young just as much as the elderly) floating around with no vaccine and no cure?

There are videos going around of Bill Gates, George Bush and Barack Obama pretty much outlining the at that point hypothetical scenario of exactly what has happened and is continuing to happen in relation to this.

They themselves acted on that to lesser or greater degrees in funding research setting up organisations to assist with preparations for this but others have undermined those efforts.

We should remember this in relation to warnings about the climate because the same sort of science based awareness is calling for action now and there are many who are eager to say it is BS who when it happens will claim it was unprecedented.

Poorside

Downlinz wrote: »

It seems a grey area where they're being asked to remain closed but the new legislation has meant Gardai can't legally enforce this. I presume this will be clarified soon.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/bank-holiday-weekend-confusion-as-new-laws-allow-garden-centres-and-hardware-shops-to-reopen-39116286.html

Was a cock up in the new legislation, means they can open over the weekend but would have to close then again, I think the govt. will rely on goodwill to keep them closed, this would have been one of their busiest times of the year so they must be hurting.