Relaxation of restrictions

Blueshoe

donaghs wrote: »

What would you suggest? Keep lockdown till there's no more cases identified?

The opening up can be gradual. But it has to happen to avoid a worse problem.

Do as we always do in Ireland. Watch what other countries who are ahead of us do and copy their actions with some tweaks.
Our testing figures are way too low to get an accurate number of how many people have the virus. Slowly opening at this stage wouldn't be wise

citysights

Blueshoe wrote: »

You risk spreading the virus again and all of the misery, deaths and costs just begin again. Too soon friend. No chance of it happening for a while yet. Zero

Jeez the misery porn is everywhere, so many people getting defeated by this misery porn it but many many people in fact the majority have made a full recovery too which is absolutely fantastic news. So there has to be optimism in there.

Blueshoe

timmy_mallet wrote: »

And I'm saying there going nowhere forever.

2 more weeks of current restrictions then reassess. Always reassess and then reassess some more

polesheep

citysights wrote: »

Jeez the misery porn is everywhere, so many people getting defeated by this misery porn it but many many people in fact the majority have made a full recovery too which is absolutely fantastic news. So there has to be optimism in there.

It's based on fear. They don't just want to hide in a cave, they want everyone else in there with them.

Blueshoe

citysights wrote: »

Jeez the misery porn is everywhere, so many people getting defeated by this misery porn it but many many people in fact the majority have made a full recovery too which is absolutely fantastic news. So there has to be optimism in there.

Great news. Let the whole population get the virus. Most will recover. Don't mind the others .Cough away at your desk, sneeze in your pint.

Pandemic my arse. Hon Kerry

polesheep

Blueshoe wrote: »

2 more weeks of current restrictions then reassess. Always reassess and then reassess some more

Not ten minutes ago you were saying zero chance.

polesheep

Blueshoe wrote: »

Great news. Let the whole population get the virus. Most will recover. Don't mind the others .Cough away at your desk, sneeze in your pint.

Pandemic my arse. Hon Kerry

You're a great man for adding words to other people's posts.

BruteStock

On Primetime last night they were basically telling us our lives are over for the foreseeable future.

Not sure if they are to believed or not , but normality is certainly not coming back anytime soon. We need to send China back to the third world.

China were already on course to surpass the USA as a leading global power 20 years from now. The more this goes on , the more i believe China released this thing with the mission of devastating the Wests economy.

That Communist State should have been dealt with back in the 90's. It was foolish to became so dependant on them. Oh well , too late late now.
This is the beginning of the end for The West.. Every dog has its day.

Blueshoe

polesheep wrote: »

Not ten minutes ago you were saying zero chance.

Yes zero chance now. None whatsoever. Reassess in two weeks. Constantly changing situation.

Pete_Cavan

Carfacemandog wrote: »

That sounds like little more than "fcuk 'em, don't care" if you're not even willing to think of ways to reduce their risk and exposure in the process.

Your plan is basically to copy what the UK did initially, even after they saw how badly it failed and moved away from it. How do you expect that to result in better results?

Do you have a vaccine ready to roll out to the entire world population? Nobody else does so we are going to have to live with the virus for some time. People getting the virus and recovering is beneficial to the vulnerable and has to happen. Right now the vulnerable have to cacoon to avoid the virus, that is not saying "fcuk 'em, don't care". It is recognising reality, something you would benefit from doing.

It is not comparable to the UK course of action. With the initial outbreak, you need to introduce restrictions to inhibit the spread of the virus to prevent hospitals getting overwhelmed. The UK didn't do this and is paying for it now. Once you get over the initial phase you can ease restrictions. Hospital capacity gets ramped up, medical staff gain experience in treating the infected, drugs and procedures for preventing deaths are discovered, all mitigating the worst of the virus. Anyone who thinks having most of the population sit at home for months is going to eradicate the virus is kidding themselves. Viruses don't just disappear, they have to be suppressed either through vaccination or immunity. The vast majority of people will feel little or no impact from the virus and those that do will be more likely to survive.

Lavinia

BruteStock wrote: »

On Primetime last night they were basically telling us our lives are over for the foreseeable future.

then blah blah blah

Can you keep this kind of posting (new bot-bee)
for some political forum, poisoning every thread is really tiring at this point



this is about RELAXATION of measures, please read the topic title before posting thanks

BruteStock

Lavinia wrote: »

Can you keep this kind

No.

Logan Roy

Pitch n Putt wrote: »

Your welcome.
If you’re happy with the current situation indefinitely I say fair play to you.

But there’s a couple of million people in Ireland I’m sure who are not interested in continuing life like this until a vaccine is found.

In my personal opinion we should have gone the hard route a month ago and be further down the road of suppression of this virus

This half attempt is going to wear thin with people.

It was a silly pun based on your username. I'm actually in the neither camp, I think the restrictions we have in place are largely working and i'd be in favour of releasing them gradually starting end of the month.

Plumbthedepths

Carfacemandog wrote: »

That sounds like little more than "fcuk 'em, don't care" if you're not even willing to think of ways to reduce their risk and exposure in the process.

Your plan is basically to copy what the UK did initially, even after they saw how badly it failed and moved away from it. How do you expect that to result in better results?

So what's your plan, easy to rubbish someone else's. Step up.

Pete_Cavan

Blueshoe wrote: »

Do as we always do in Ireland. Watch what other countries who are ahead of us do and copy their actions with some tweaks.
Our testing figures are way too low to get an accurate number of how many people have the virus. Slowly opening at this stage wouldn't be wise

Hospitalisations and deaths are the key stats. The reality is that no country knows how many have the virus, that gets figured out after the fact.

BruteStock

The hard truth of the matter whether people accept it or not is , life as we knew it is finished. The tides have shifted. We have been invaded by an invisible enemy sent by dictators hellbent on overtaking the world.

I could be wrong but I don't feel like it. China owns half of african debt, UK institutions, and have stolen enough tech to be self reliant and improved upon .

They're already catching up with Samsung and LG in tech. Stolen blueprints , or not. They've shown they can improve. Their methods of building and road projects is nothing short of intuitive. Sure they've cut corners but we all did to get where we were.

Their parties goal is to supplant US world dominance by 2049. I can't see anything short of that happening if I'm brutally honest.

I blame the liberalist policies of past politicians looking for a quick buck.

Logan Roy

Sorry pal, this thread is about relaxation of measures, if you want to post about the future state of world politics there are other threads available.

Pitch n Putt

Pete_Cavan wrote: »

Hospitalisations and deaths are the key stats. The reality is that no country knows how many have the virus, that gets figured out after the fact.

True it’s impossible to know how many have it.

What wasn’t impossible to curtail was we knew it was coming and the elderly were more susceptible to it.

They dropped the ball here to put measures in place to protect the most vulnerable.

Most of our deaths are nursing home related. RIP to all those people and their families

Plumbthedepths

BruteStock wrote: »

The hard truth of the matter whether people accept it or not is , life as we knew it is finished. The tides have shifted. We have been invaded by an invisible enemy sent by dictators hellbent on overtaking the world.

I could be wrong but I don't feel like it. China owns half of african debt, UK institutions, and have stolen enough tech to be self reliant and improved upon .

They're already catching up with Samsung and LG in tech. Stolen blueprints , or not. They've shown they can improve. Their methods of building and road projects is nothing short of intuitive. Sure they've cut corners but we all did to get where we were.

Their parties goal is to supplant US world dominance by 2049. I can't see anything short of that happening if I'm brutally honest.

I blame the liberalist policies of past politicians looking for a quick buck.

Loosen the strap on your tin foil hat, it's cutting the oxygen supply off to your brain.

niallo27

Carfacemandog wrote: »

That sounds like little more than "fcuk 'em, don't care" if you're not even willing to think of ways to reduce their risk and exposure in the process.

Your plan is basically to copy what the UK did initially, even after they saw how badly it failed and moved away from it. How do you expect that to result in better results?

I do not get this mentality, expecting everyone to stay inside and not risk getting infected, why cant you do this, just watch netflix, just ****en do it. People went to war and you cant stay inside. Then someone proposes the vulnerable should stay inside, how can you expect the vulnerable to stay inside, its impossible, you went them all dead, it will never work.

faceman

The media paints a very grim picture this morning of what the future holds. That coupled with the Times article on Thursday about the story of the signing of the new laws highlight that we are facing tough road ahead, one that will leave us scarred in ways that aren’t being talked about right now.

I attended an online funeral yesterday for someone I should have been present for. His own son couldn’t attend the funeral due to international travel restrictions.

We are merely existing right now and it’s a grim existence at that.

Loafing Oaf

Pete_Cavan wrote: »

Right now the vulnerable have to cacoon to avoid the virus, that is not saying "fcuk 'em, don't care".

The problem is most people advocating this course of action show little or no recognition of the massive difficulties involved. A huge proportion of the 'vulnerable' currently share homes with 'non-vulnerable' family members. 'Cocooning' them in an effective way may well necessitate taking them out of those homes and putting them up for a year in hotels or similar venues where they can be isolated in a hopefully virus-proof way.

Blueshoe

BruteStock wrote: »

The hard truth of the matter whether people accept it or not is , life as we knew it is finished. The tides have shifted. We have been invaded by an invisible enemy sent by dictators hellbent on overtaking the world.

I could be wrong but I don't feel like it. China owns half of african debt, UK institutions, and have stolen enough tech to be self reliant and improved upon .

They're already catching up with Samsung and LG in tech. Stolen blueprints , or not. They've shown they can improve. Their methods of building and road projects is nothing short of intuitive. Sure they've cut corners but we all did to get where we were.

Their parties goal is to supplant US world dominance by 2049. I can't see anything short of that happening if I'm brutally honest.

I blame the liberalist policies of past politicians looking for a quick buck.

This is good news.
Just to add that Australia is totally reliant on China and Chinese companies have bought up massive amounts of Australian infrastructure.

KiKi III

Belgium has about 2.5 times our population and had almost 500 deaths yesterday. If we get to that stage here (250/day) it’ll be really devastating for the fabric of our society.

BruteStock

BruteStock wrote: »

The hard truth of the matter whether people accept it or not is , life as we knew it is finished.

Strap yourself to a rocket, destination moon and sprinkle joy there to your heart's content. There's no internet so the rest of us on planet Earth will benefit.

polesheep

Blueshoe wrote: »

Yes zero chance now. None whatsoever. Reassess in two weeks. Constantly changing situation.

You should put that under your avatar.

Penfailed

BruteStock wrote: »

On Primetime last night they were basically telling us our lives are over for the foreseeable future.

Not sure if they are to believed or not , but normality is certainly not coming back anytime soon. We need to send China back to the third world.

China were already on course to surpass the USA as a leading global power 20 years from now. The more this goes on , the more i believe China released this thing with the mission of devastating the Wests economy.

That Communist State should have been dealt with back in the 90's. It was foolish to became so dependant on them. Oh well , too late late now.
This is the beginning of the end for The West.. Every dog has its day.

Wow.

topper75

Pete_Cavan wrote: »

Hospitalisations and deaths are the key stats. .

A telling stat would be death rate increase. Is that available anywhere for Feb/Mar/April for ourselves or any other European nation?

It might have to be looked at over a broader period of a year or two to make sense. I imagine that somebody looking back in say 2040 at stats for 2020/2021/2022 might not see any great bump seeing how so many of the covid victims were close to death's door anyway.

In cold clinical terms (yes I can sometimes think like that :-)) we may see a pruning of the demographic tree - a snipping off of the old and making of the new with a quarantine baby surge.
UK had a record low in 2018, ONLY 657,076. 1800 born every day.

I'm going to buy in for another 2 weeks to restrictions, with reluctance, but after that I'll be questioning a lose/lose deal of having to give up my living to save those that probably don't have much left anyway. If the medics who have effectively been handed power over the state are aiming to push for eradication I won't be joining them in that folly. They can't jail us all.

niallo27

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

The problem is most people advocating this course of action show little or no recognition of the massive difficulties involved. A huge proportion of the 'vulnerable' currently share homes with 'non-vulnerable' family members. 'Cocooning' them in an effective way may well necessitate taking them out of those homes and putting them up for a year in hotels or similar venues where they can be isolated in a hopefully virus-proof way.

Yes, it going be hard but we have to do it. Nobody said it would be easy.

LiquidZeb

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Strap yourself to a rocket, destination moon and sprinkle joy there to your heart's content. There's no internet so the rest of us on planet Earth will benefit.

Some people are just so pathetic. They're like a bunch of simpering, whining babies. I'd say the lockdown makes no difference to them most of them were antisocial shut-ins to begin with.