Relaxation of restrictions

KiKi III

niallo27 wrote: »

I'm not going change your mind, anyway 80% chance is very high so no need to be so negative.

It shouldn't be about being negative or positive, it's about being realistic.

We can hope that a vaccine will be available in 12-18 months, but there's no guarantee of it. As another poster said, that's a best-case scenario prediction.

niallo27

c montgomery wrote: »

Would people be happy to take a vaccine that has been rushed through ?

I work in Pharma and I don't think a safe reliable vaccine will be available for at least 5 -6 years

Something might be rushed through by 12-18 months but alot of shortcuts would have been taken

Why would you say that, do you work directly with developing vaccines. Have we ever had a situation like this before, have we ever had so many patients to trial on before, have we ever had so many companies trying to develop a vaccine before.

Eod100

c montgomery wrote: »

Would people be happy to take a vaccine that has been rushed through ?

I work in Pharma and I don't think a safe reliable vaccine will be available for at least 5 -6 years

Something might be rushed through by 12-18 months but alot of shortcuts would have been taken

I'm not sure why the 12 to 18 months was mentioned so much. Only gives false hope. Saw earlier it could be within 3 years but even that sees optimistic in that case so?

alwald

niallo27 wrote: »

I'm not going change your mind, anyway 80% chance is very high so no need to be so negative.

I have no interest in changing your mind but rather provide accurate information instead of misleading information.

pgj2015

alwald wrote: »

There will also be prison sentences and hefty fines. The government is changing its approach based on the compliance of the general public. First they asked people nicely to stay at home but some idiots went drinking in temple bar or queued for a fish and chips in Howth. This led to stronger restrictions and enforcement bu Garda...the next step is going to be like France as in curfews will be put in place and you can only go out if you have a signed document.

we are a long way off curfews and prison sentences. people are getting 3 warnings as it is. thats not very tough is it?

Cork Boy 53

kwestfan08 wrote: »

You'll have house parties and underground raves quicker than the pubs come back I reckon. Theres absolutely no way people go without socialising until 2021.

If the Gardaí`s new powers are kept in place they can be raided and broken up and anyone present can be fined and /or jailed.

niallo27

KiKi III wrote: »

It shouldn't be about being negative or positive, it's about being realistic.

We can hope that a vaccine will be available in 12-18 months, but there's no guarantee of it. As another poster said, that's a best-case scenario prediction.

Ya and he said realistically there is an 80% chance of it being developed so stop being so negative. It's not healthy, is there any bit of optimism in you.

niallo27

alwald wrote: »

I have no interest in changing your mind but rather provide accurate information instead of misleading information.

Im still waiting for you to provide this accurate information.

Stheno

channelsurfer2 wrote: »

Irish times saying offices may stay shut for months with working from home staying until then. I think that the government should be more open and not drip feed this.

Eh it's being reported in the press openly

What more do you want?

Xertz

I would really like to see some clear guidance on big events. A lot of organisers have cancelled things for June and July - in Cork for example, a string of major festivals from arts and cultural stuff to pride is cancelled or postponed.

There are still a number of big events in limbo and I think it’s unfair on organisers not to just issue a directive at this stage to just cancel all mass gatherings out to say September.

At this stage we know it’s unrealistic to expect any major gathering to run, but you’ve a lot of people who are sitting on the fence waiting for clarity and it would be useful as they could put effort into alternative arrangements or at least mitigate costs.

Being unable to plan is worse than things being cancelled in my view anyway. As resources can be saved, disruption costs minimised and efforts put into future events, virtual events and so on.

pgj2015

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

If the Gardaí`s new powers are kept in place they can be raided and broken up and anyone present can be fined and /or jailed.

if. there are illegal raves on every weekend in Ireland. the guards almost never find out.

Stateofyou

alwald wrote: »

There will also be prison sentences and hefty fines. The government is changing its approach based on the compliance of the general public. First they asked people nicely to stay at home but some idiots went drinking in temple bar or queued for a fish and chips in Howth. This led to stronger restrictions and enforcement bu Garda...the next step is going to be like France as in curfews will be put in place and you can only go out if you have a signed document.

Don't waste your breath, you can't tell some people anything. They feel entitled, sacrifices aren't for them, and if it's hard then "boo hoo" on complying with anything that helps anyone else and the wider society. It's depressing seeing such attitudes. This isn't the hardest thing we could go through. Refugees living in dangerous and poverty conditions in camps or surrounded by bombs and violence with the threat of harm and death all around them have shown through better spirit. Today after reading this thread I feel utterly disgusted.

scamalert

alwald wrote: »

There will also be prison sentences and hefty fines. The government is changing its approach based on the compliance of the general public. First they asked people nicely to stay at home but some idiots went drinking in temple bar or queued for a fish and chips in Howth. This led to stronger restrictions and enforcement bu Garda...the next step is going to be like France as in curfews will be put in place and you can only go out if you have a signed document.

hate to break it to you bur were going back to reality not insanity, most people i see outside everyday seem not as hysteric as some posters here, as they live pretty much normal lives with some adjustments, wont take long and many will accept reality is to live alongside virus and small chance of getting it will be the norm.

trapp

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

If the Gardaí`s new powers are kept in place they can be raided and broken up and anyone present can be fined and /or jailed.

I know of a few house parties that took place at the weekend.

Completely selfish behaviour and not acceptable.

But thankfully we're not in a country where people can be jailed for such things.

That would be worse.

c montgomery

niallo27 wrote: »

Why would you say that, do you work directly with developing vaccines. Have we ever had a situation like this before, have we ever had so many patients to trial on before, have we ever had so many companies trying to develop a vaccine before.

I work in clinical trials and testing.
Yes to all other questions.

People who are more invested than I in vaccine research/development which I have read all say it's is 5-10 years away.

Look at malaria, kills hundreds of thousands every year, has billions invested in it and the vaccine is ineffective largely.

channelsurfer2

channelsurfer2 wrote: »

Irish times saying offices may stay shut for months with working from home staying until then. I think that the government should be more open and not drip feed this.

I think that most office workers are expecting to be working from home until September. There’s relatively little economic cost to that, compared to retail, construction, factories, home improvement tradespeople etc, so makes sense to keep WFH in place. I think that some common sense would go a long way, rather than have to be told every little thing by the government

alwald

pgj2015 wrote: »

we are a long way off curfews and prison sentences. people are getting 3 warnings as it is. thats not very tough is it?

My reply is directed to a specific post with a specific situation and shouldn't be taken out of context.

KiKi III

niallo27 wrote: »

Ya and he said realistically there is an 80% chance of it being developed so stop being so negative. It's not healthy, is there any bit of optimism in you.

I've posted positive news on here regularly when it's backed by data.

Don't get mad at me because I'm not willing to delude myself on a similar scale to you.

STB.

scamalert wrote: »

hate to break it to you bur were going back to reality not insanity, most people i see outside everyday seem not as hysteric as some posters here, as they live pretty much normal lives with some adjustments, wont take long and many will accept reality is to live alongside virus and small chance of getting it will be the norm.

That's not the point. The point is it is highly contagious and social interactions accelerate it.

We have limited health care infrastructure in Ireland and cannot afford mass breakouts or contagion.

Hate to break it to you, but we are not in a position to live alongside a mass pandemic, for the most obvious of reasons.

robinph

channelsurfer2 wrote: »

Irish times saying offices may stay shut for months with working from home staying until then. I think that the government should be more open and not drip feed this.

If companies IT staff haven't already been dealing with getting their infrastructure setup for home working then they should be getting sent in to deal with that kind of stuff already. No reason for office based jobs to be shut down totally at the moment. Maybe it takes a while before all types of work can be figured out how to do it remotely, or what roles need to take it in turns to go into the office on designated days to do something that needs doing in person. But if the companies haven't already figured this kind of stuff out then they are the companies that are going under.

c montgomery

Eod100 wrote: »

I'm not sure why the 12 to 18 months was mentioned so much. Only gives false hope. Saw earlier it could be within 3 years but even that sees optimistic in that case so?

I honestly think it's due to optimism and wishing for the best.
I heard a university professor on a podcast recently saying he could have a vaccine ready tomorrow that would kill the virus but that it's potential impact to the patient would be unknown. Only by years of robust peer reviewed testing could you determine it effects on humans.

KiKi III

Spencer Brown wrote: »

KiKi you seem really angry, a break from Boards might be good for you.

I'm not angry at all, but thank you for your concern

niallo27

c montgomery wrote: »

I work in clinical trials and testing.
Yes to all other questions.

People who are more invested than I in vaccine research/development which I have read all say it's is 5-10 years away.

Look at malaria, kills hundreds of thousands every year, has billions invested in it and the vaccine is ineffective largely.

How can you compare malaria to this, malaria is parasitic plus it doesnt kill people in first world countries.

Spencer Brown

KiKi III wrote: »

I'm not angry at all, but thank you for your concern

That's great to hear, the lack of face to face social interaction must be damaging my emotional intelligence.

alwald

Stateofyou wrote: »

Don't waste your breath, you can't tell some people anything. They feel entitled, sacrifices aren't for them, and if it's hard then "boo hoo" on complying with anything that helps anyone else and the wider society. It's depressing seeing such attitudes. This isn't the hardest thing we could go through. Refugees living in dangerous and poverty conditions in camps or surrounded by bombs and violence with the threat of harm and death all around them have shown through better spirit. Today after reading this thread I feel utterly disgusted.

I totally agree with you as other countries, less fortunate than Ireland/Europe, are going through a severe lockdown with no social welfare, very little to eat as well as almost no capacity in their hospitals to deal with a pandemic.
In Ireland social welfare was increased, ICU capacity increased, exercising is allowed and basically a wide range of other measures put in place for our own safety and well-being and yet people are selfish.

VonLuck

STB. wrote: »

You haven't been paying attention to the figures then. We have went from 40 to just under 10,000 cases in a month with a limited testing regime.


There is a degree of crowd control going on with these soundbites. If they are upfront there might be anarchy so you will just have to get used to being drip fed extensions. We have one of the lowest ICU capacities in Europe and cannot take chances.

Case numbers are irrelevant and I wish people would stop referring to them. It's related to the extent of testing in each country, and even then there could be 10 times as many cases that have gone untested.

I'm surprised that they are inferring that there will be long-term working from home for the population as a whole. I would have thought that the restrictions would be relaxed somewhat and whilst everyone is encouraged to work from home that there would be no legal requirement for non-essential workers, similar to the earlier restrictions.

Cork Boy 53

trapp wrote: »

I know of a few house parties that took place at the weekend.

Completely selfish behaviour and not acceptable.

But thankfully we're not in a country where people can be jailed for such things.

That would be worse.

We soon might be if muppets continue to ignore the current restrictions.

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Spencer Brown wrote: »

That's great to hear, the lack of face to face social interaction must be damaging my emotional intelligence.

Have you checked your vents and chimney?

alwald

scamalert wrote: »

hate to break it to you bur were going back to reality not insanity, most people i see outside everyday seem not as hysteric as some posters here, as they live pretty much normal lives with some adjustments, wont take long and many will accept reality is to live alongside virus and small chance of getting it will be the norm.

Hate to break it to you too, but the rules, laws and restrictions placed by the government take over what some people want or can accept and they apply to all of us regardless if we agree or not.

Cork Boy 53

pgj2015 wrote: »

if. there are illegal raves on every weekend in Ireland. the guards almost never find out.

Things have radically changed since this virus appeared. What used to be regarded as just antisocial behaviour is now literally a threat to life. The Gardaí have the power to strictly enforce the rules and need to do so.