Relaxation of restrictions

Cupatae

Jenbach110 wrote: »

Look your right its difficult. We wont do it.
Makes much more sense for everyone to stay at home for 2 years

You were saying its the way forward and shooting down everyone else, you want the restrictions lifted im just asking how you wanna do it? wheres the silver bullet?

niallo27

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Yes and there's no avoiding that no matter when Ireland reopens. We're heading for a global depression. Enjoy the ride, at least we don't live in some total mess of a country, it's going to get really bad in poorer countries.

You say that but poorer countries live with this **** most of the time.

Stateofyou

Kiki's story (and thank you for sharing) highlights yet another failure of our healthcare system. Mental health help and support here is difficult to find and terribly underfunded in normal times. I know several people who have struggled to find any available or affordable counselling to help them. They've turned to mindfulness apps and other activities as a sort of plaster. Two others I know do have counsellors but feel they're not a great fit but as that's all the option they have feel it's better than nothing. Yes, we all need to check in on our people, our friends and family, at a time like this. But also, where is the funding or focus on mental health support? It wasn't there before, it's not there now (or please correct me if I'm wrong), and doubtful it will be a priority in the months after. Kiki, you should have arrived at hospital and then been escorted to the mental health ward and gotten excellent care. But that doesn't exist. It's bullish*t.

niallo27

alwald wrote: »

You will understand better if you compare all the available data of Sweden versus its neighboring countries...Google isn't your forte so it might take you time .

Ok I ran it through a model on google, sweden should have over 10k deaths by now. Denmark about 6k if they copied sweden. Your right Google is wonderful.

Thelonious Monk

niallo27 wrote: »

You say that but poorer countries live with this **** most of the time.

Yes and now it's even worse. I was watching a thing about Ecuador on C4 the other day, COVID is a problem there, people's parents decomposing in their houses because they can't get anyone to take the bodies away.
At least we have a somewhat decent infrastructure to deal with all this.

alwald

Jenbach110 wrote: »

Look your right its difficult. We wont do it.
Makes much more sense for everyone to stay at home for 2 years

Now let's be honest, most posters today that are in favor of the current restrictions aren't suggesting a 2 years lockdown...don't paint an inaccurate picture as so far as you were doing so well in the last 10 min or so.

Cupatae

niallo27 wrote: »

You say that but poorer countries live with this **** most of the time.

Id argue poorer people are hardier and can put up with more.. take someone from a desperate poor country and drop em in a irish house...see if there on boards complaining about it been too hard mentally to stay inside...

BanditLuke

niallo27 wrote: »

Is the real issue, being able to go for a walk and being bored. The real issue is that most of us will be broke after this and life will be ****. This is the main crux of the issue not because we cant go for a walk in the park.

It doesn't matter a jot what Ireland does now. We rise and fall on the shoulders of others. The whole world is heading into a depression which will make 2008 seem like a tea party. You think opening up a few coffee shops and hardware stores is going to change our direction?

Stheno

STB. wrote: »

Yeah, that's not going to happen.

The next 3 weeks are about slowing the spread, not overwhelming ICU's and saving lives. 1000 cases today. We are now over 10,600. There are large numbers being admitted to hospital, not just ICU. Of the 10,600. 10,247 are active cases, and in turn 194 are in serious or critical condition.

If you don't see the bigger picture, you are living in la la land. And there are quite a few in this thread who clearly are.

All of the reports on the papers the past two days have indicated that it is likely some restrictions will be lifted, e.g. DIY stores to open, some non essential businesses to open

Dont think anyone with an ounce of sense thinks everything will open at once, it was clearly said in the briefing today that lifting restrictions will be on a phased basis

If you can work from home you'll be doing that for the foreseeable future according to the Irish times

Cupatae

BanditLuke wrote: »

It doesn't matter a jot what Ireland does now. We rise and fall on the shoulders of others. The whole world is heading into a depression which will make 2008 seem like a tea party. You think opening up a few coffee shops and hardware stores is going to change our direction?

Thats exactly it, when the big dogs go for a ride were going with em,

Jenbach110

Cupatae wrote: »

You were saying its the way forward and shooting down everyone else, you want the restrictions lifted im just asking how you wanna do it? wheres the silver bullet?

You use a lot of ammunition comparisons for such a caring selfless person.

Testing. Its difficult. 5m people. Luckily 1m are on the benefit assistance. Public sector are at home. Lots of options for manpower to implement the testing.

It wont happen tho, people like yourself are to happy to sit at home indefinatley

ShineOn7

GazzaL wrote: »

However, we also need to get the young, fit and healthy back to work.

That's a fair point. Maybe have all under 40s with no underlying conditions restrictions lifted. Their mortality numbers are comparatively very small

It wont happen though as many silly over 40s will then see this as almost a challenge to ignore the restrictions

GazzaL

BanditLuke wrote: »

It doesn't matter a jot what Ireland does now. We rise and fall on the shoulders of others. The whole world is heading into a depression which will make 2008 seem like a tea party. You think opening up a few coffee shops and hardware stores is going to change our direction?

Doing nothing and staying in lockdown indefinitely isn't an option. The longer we're in lockdown, the worse the consequences will be.

antgal23

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Yes and now it's even worse. I was watching a thing about Ecuador on C4 the other day, COVID is a problem there, people's parents decomposing in their houses because they can't get anyone to take the bodies away.
At least we have a somewhat decent infrastructure to deal with all this.

I saw that, very sad

When it gets into the favelas or the townships it'll kill a lot of people

KiKi III

Stateofyou wrote: »

Kiki's story (and thank you for sharing) highlights yet another failure of our healthcare system. Mental health help and support here is difficult to find and terribly underfunded in normal times. I know several people who have struggled to find any available or affordable counselling to help them. They've turned to mindfulness apps and other activities as a sort of plaster. Two others I know do have counsellors but feel they're not a great fit but as that's all the option they have feel it's better than nothing. Yes, we all need to check in on our people, our friends and family, at a time like this. But also, where is the funding or focus on mental health support? It wasn't there before, it's not there now (or please correct me if I'm wrong), and doubtful it will be a priority in the months after. Kiki, you should have arrived at hospital and then been escorted to the mental health ward and gotten excellent care. But that doesn't exist. It's bullish*t.

Some day, I hope we get there.

Now my mental health is a lot better these days but I will say I’ve found mindfulness apps really good. I pay for two and I use them daily.

As for counselling, I pay €80/session and that’s going to be harder to find as the weeks go on. I feel for anyone who can’t afford to seek therapy privately.

Anyway, this is all a bit of a tangent. I suppose what I’m saying on topic is those of us with mental health issues really need to try and dig deep over the next few weeks. We’ll have to white knuckle it a bit at times to get through it but for most of us with mild to moderate depression we will get through it.

Anyone with severe depression - keep taking any medication you’re on, try to reach out to family and friends, and call the emergency services if at any stage you feel at risk.

Jenbach110

Cupatae wrote: »

Id argue poorer people are hardier and can put up with more.. take someone from a desperate poor country and drop em in a irish house...see if there on boards complaining about it been too hard mentally to stay inside...

They are not hardier they are younger. The life expectancy in Sierra Leone is 52.

easypazz

STB. wrote: »

Yeah, that's not going to happen.

The next 3 weeks are about slowing the spread, not overwhelming ICU's and saving lives. 1000 cases today. We are now over 10,600. There are large numbers being admitted to hospital, not just ICU. Of the 10,600. 10,247 are active cases, and in turn 194 are in serious or critical condition.

If you don't see the bigger picture, you are living in la la land. And there are quite a few in this thread who clearly are.

How are there 10247 active cases?

How many have fully recovered by now?

alwald

antgal23 wrote: »

I saw that, very sad

When it gets into the favelas or the townships it'll kill a lot of people

Brazil likely has 12 times more cases of the coronavirus than are being officially reported by the government, with too little testing and long waits to confirm the results, according to a study released today.
Taken from RTE and the same likely applies to a lot of other countries.
People there will murder for a lockdown with 350 EUR weekly.

GazzaL

easypazz wrote: »

How are there 10247 active cases?

How many have fully recovered by now?

I don't think we'll get those stats because not everyone is being tested twice once their symptoms are gone as far as I'm aware.

Cupatae

Jenbach110 wrote: »

You use a lot of ammunition comparisons for such a caring selfless person.

Testing. Its difficult. 5m people. Luckily 1m are on the benefit assistance. Public sector are at home. Lots of options for manpower to implement the testing.

It wont happen tho, people like yourself are to happy to sit at home indefinatley

So you want to lift the restrictions and test 5m people? for a self proclaimed know it all you are very vague in your answers, you wanna train the 1m to test?? hows it gonna work? what if people get reinfected?

you spelled indefinitely wrong by the way... i know how much of a stickler for spelling you are since you pointed it out in my last post :cool:

GazzaL

ShineOn7 wrote: »

That's a fair point. Maybe have all under 40s with no underlying conditions restrictions lifted. Their mortality numbers are comparatively very small

It wont happen though as many silly over 40s will then see this as almost a challenge to ignore the restrictions

You have to give people some credit, the vast majority of people have taken on board the need for social distancing. If we can develop an immunity in the healthy working population, it will help everyone.

Gael23

GazzaL wrote: »

Doing nothing and staying in lockdown indefinitely isn't an option. The longer we're in lockdown, the worse the consequences will be.

That’s the problem. The longer it goes on the social and economic fallout gets worse

Jenbach110

Cupatae wrote: »

So you want to lift the restrictions and test 5m people? for a self proclaimed know it all you are very vague in your answers, you wanna train the 1m to test?? hows it gonna work? what if people get reinfected?

you spelled indefinitely wrong by the way... i know how much of a stickler for spelling you since you pointed it out in my last post :cool:

The testing is difficult to carry out so we will all stay home.
Case closed.

Cupatae

Jenbach110 wrote: »

The testing is difficult to carry out so we will all stay home.
Case closed.

Glad you seen the light, maybe when we stay at home and have a smaller more manageable amount of cases we can implement your testing on a smaller pool.

Elmer Blooker

alwald wrote: »

Read about it to understand the measures put in place to end it.

I have read about it. There were only restrictions put in place in 1919 once the war was over and by then the damage was done and it was too late.
Have you ever seen those old films of the crowds celebrating the armistice in Nov 1918 when the second wave was at its peak?

easypazz

Gael23 wrote: »

That’s the problem. The longer it goes on the social and economic fallout gets worse

I expect them to start announcing what restrictions will be lifted on May 5th well before that date.

Maybe starting next week.

Professor Moriarty

Jenbach110 wrote: »

The testing is difficult to carry out so we will all stay home.
Case closed.

Which tests should be used?

GazzaL

easypazz wrote: »

I expect them to start announcing what restrictions will be lifted on May 5th well before that date.

Maybe starting next week.

If they don't, people will start to break.

Jenbach110

Elmer Blooker wrote: »

I have read about it. There were only restrictions put in place in 1919 once the war was over and by then the damage was done and it was too late.
Have you ever seen those old films of the crowds celebrating the armistice in Nov 1918 when the second wave was at its peak?

Have restrictions on large sports events ever occured before?

scamalert

Jenbach110 wrote: »

Look your right its difficult. We wont do it.
Makes much more sense for everyone to stay at home for 2 years

made me laugh


that said this epidemic shows that anyone can become expert in anything within 2 weeks nowadays. lockdown no lockdown isolation and other crap eventually becomes irrelevant, those who call the shots will overturn this crap once they see tax money draining like a pond in Sahara desert, and some might even find that living on 800e a month is way better then slaving for double that just to give half away- guess that will be some irony to be had. but to sum it up it wont be defeat or some magical cure that will kick most people back to reality its simple economy, as government borrows its all fine now, but once more people say fck it and sign up on the dole then eventually few deaths here and there wont matter, so until we see some good stagnation government might pull out some backlogs to inflate numbers, not account for recovered and use some scare tactics, but once day comes to tell people $hit is still out there and your good to go that will be, interesting phase.