Relaxation of restrictions

Idbatterim

Gael23 wrote: »

Has a decision been made on the rose of Tralee festival yet?

Gave me a good laugh, thanks!:

road_high

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Iceland has joined other countries in announcing a relaxation of lockdown, while Denmark wants to reopen some services quicker than had been anticipated R value in Denmark is 0.6.

What's the current R value here in Ireland?

Paddygreen

virginmediapls wrote: »

Absolutely. To think anything else is pure delusion.

Agreed. Mr Gates and his associates have fantastic foresight. One month before the first reported cases in China he was involved in a simiulation of a corona virus pandemic, event 201 I believe it was called. He is a living legend.

bladespin

hmmm wrote: »

Yes, that's how it works. The experts are the people in public health who've studied this for years and scientists working on the virus itself.

Not some college student who has glanced at wikipedia and is now writing 42 page threads on Twitter about his hunches about the virus.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

The people who are advising the people who are who are advising Bill Gates. He doesn't just wake up with the information downloaded into his brain.

I'd agree but their findings belong to the Gates foundation so who has the information then?

Go on, you'll get there.

Blueshoe wrote: »

If you were sick and required hospital treatment would you prefer to be seen by the guy who went to medical school and passed his exams or the guy who paid for the hospital to be built

Very much depends on which field they studied, if I have a viral infection I doubt a consulting gynecologist would be a lot of help.

If Gates or WHO have the information then we should be listening to them, not necessarily take it as gospel but at least give the info some air.

dundalkfc10

AdamD wrote: »

Scary how quickly people are advocating for a police state.

Until this is all over and a vaccines found, it has to be done, or are you happy just letting a % of our population die?

stephenjmcd

road_high wrote: »

What's the current R value here in Ireland?

Think they said just above 1 last week.

Podge201

Gael23 wrote: »

Has a decision been made on the rose of Tralee festival yet?

Write off, it was a sinking ship anyway. Gombeen getting a rutt of a horn interviewing a few women.

bladespin

Paddygreen wrote: »

Agreed. Mr Gates and his associates have fantastic foresight. One month before the first reported cases in China he was involved in a simiulation of a corona virus pandemic, event 201 I believe it was called. He is a living legend.

Before that even: https://www.ted.com/talks/bill_gates_the_next_outbreak_we_re_not_ready 2015

BanditLuke

Idbatterim wrote: »

That last paragraph, that is all most of us want or expect in the short term. If they think we will will remain locked up unnecessarily, by varadkar, Harris a few quivering boy scounts and some unelected civil servants etc, lol! What would they do if a hundred thousand in Dublin decide enough is enough and started marching towards gpo etc?

It's the gubbermints fault

easypazz

skallywag wrote: »

I would not let that statistic blind you too much.

I learned today from a good friend that an old friend of hers has just died from the virus, he was 46 and completely fit.

We all hear of healthy younger people dying but they are outliers.

We can't design the whole system around that, if we did we may as well ban motor cars as they kill more people.

The reality is 90% of deaths are over 65, and when we start to relax the lockdown on May 5th this category, and others with underlying conditions will need to continue to be shielded from exposure to the virus.

Padre_Pio

easypazz wrote: »

We all hear of healthy younger people dying but they are outliers.

We can't design the whole system around that, if we did we may as well ban motor cars as they kill more people.

The reality is 90% of deaths are over 65, and when we start to relax the lockdown on May 5th this category, and others with underlying conditions will need to continue to be shielded from exposure to the virus.

There's a whole lot of over 65s though, many working and living very active lives. You're not going to be able to tell them to lock themselves in for a year while everyone else is out and about.

rob316

Commercial rent rates are going to absolutely plummet. Large retailers are going to be in serious trouble if they weren't already, cafe's and restaurants are going to struggle working on reduced capacity.

BanditLuke

easypazz wrote: »

We all hear of healthy younger people dying but they are outliers.

We can't design the whole system around that, if we did we may as well ban motor cars as they kill more people.

The reality is 90% of deaths are over 65, and when we start to relax the lockdown on May 5th this category, and others with underlying conditions will need to continue to be shielded from exposure to the virus.

They are outliers because of the lockdown.

bladespin

BanditLuke wrote: »

They are outliers because of the lockdown.

Not really, they're outliers because it's unusual for this to be fatal to younger people without underlying conditions.

Cyrus

BanditLuke wrote: »

They are outliers because of the lockdown.

no they are outliers, statiscally the people who will due from this are older and in poor health, that's indisputable. Although indisputable isnt something that matters on this thread.

Cyrus

Padre_Pio wrote: »

There's a whole lot of over 65s though, many working and living very active lives. You're not going to be able to tell them to lock themselves in for a year while everyone else is out and about.

so what, lock the whole country down, further destroy the economy and stunt childrens education instead?

Thelonious Monk

Cyrus wrote: »

so what, lock the whole country down, further destroy the economy and stunt childrens education instead?

They will start lifting restrictions eventually. Whether we do it now or in 2 months won't stop the global depression, why can't people get their heads around this?

road_high

rob316 wrote: »

Commercial rent rates are going to absolutely plummet. Large retailers are going to be in serious trouble if they weren't already, cafe's and restaurants are going to struggle working on reduced capacity.

Big time. Shopping centres and high streets where crowds congregate are in huge trouble. Even when/if they re-open there's going to be fcuk all money about for discretionary/leisure spending and people will stay away due to the risks. Whole thing is such a bloody mess.

niallo27

Padre_Pio wrote: »

There's a whole lot of over 65s though, many working and living very active lives. You're not going to be able to tell them to lock themselves in for a year while everyone else is out and about.

Why not though, if we increased it to 68, how many 68 year olds do you know that are working in factories or high risk jobs. Plus we wont all be out and about, there will still be social distancing, no concerts or sports.

niallo27

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

They will start lifting restrictions eventually. Whether we do it now or in 2 months won't stop the global depression, why can't people get their heads around this?

Of course it makes a difference, if that was the case why are so many countries in europe announcing plans to lift restrictions.

Cyrus

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

They will start lifting restrictions eventually. Whether we do it now or in 2 months won't stop the global depression, why can't people get their heads around this?

because the longer we lock down, the more damage we do to our own economy, why can people get their heads around this?

bladespin

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

They will start lifting restrictions eventually. Whether we do it now or in 2 months won't stop the global depression, why can't people get their heads around this?

Very simply, they're aware that the longer it goes on the worse the recession/depression will be.

Once we're past the initial explosion I see little point in keeping the country locked down, IMO they will lift some of the restrictions soon and gradually open the country up more and more, distancing will be an advisory, for all sorts of reasons, not just economic.

As far as I can make out we are hunkering down to protect the health system so it is not overwhelmed, not to protect people as such (at least directly), once the system can cope then the restrictions will lift.

Kermit.de.frog

Cyrus wrote: »

because the longer we lock down, the more damage we do to our own economy, why can people get their heads around this?

Ok, so when we open up we see an overwhelming surge...

How many deaths are acceptable?

500 a day?

1,000 a day?

Where is the line until everything is shut down again?

There is a lot of denial around the seriousness of the situation and the trap the world finds itself in without a vaccine.

Some don't seem to link the mitigation with the results.

Remove the constraints and that curve won't look so flat!

easypazz

Padre_Pio wrote: »

There's a whole lot of over 65s though, many working and living very active lives. You're not going to be able to tell them to lock themselves in for a year while everyone else is out and about.

Who said lock them in for a year?

"Shielding"

As in put measures in place to minimise their exposure to the virus while allowing them continue as normal as possible.

This notion that we must all be locked away so as not to offend the elderly is Bullsh1t.

easypazz

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

They will start lifting restrictions eventually. Whether we do it now or in 2 months won't stop the global depression, why can't people get their heads around this?

Because it will begin on May 5th, everybody else is easing restrictions, or talking about when it will start.

We will be no different.

Kermit.de.frog

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Ok, so when we open up we see an overwhelming surge...

How many deaths are acceptable?

500 a day?

1,000 a day?

Where is the line until everything is shut down again?

That is for the politicians and the doctors to decide. But they will determine an acceptable number. That is just the hard truth of it

Thelonious Monk

Cyrus wrote: »

because the longer we lock down, the more damage we do to our own economy, why can people get their heads around this?

we might make some minimal gains by opening some things sooner, but it's hardly worth it given the health impact and deaths it could cause. A few more weeks really won't make a difference to the economy at this stage, but it could make a big difference to the spread of the virus, we're in this sh*tty new economic era for a long time no matter what.

Thelonious Monk

Oh and you still can't leave your house in Spain for people who think it's getting much better there, only to shops and pharmacy, compared to there it's like there's no lockdown here at all

easypazz

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Ok, so when we open up we see an overwhelming surge...

How many deaths are acceptable?

500 a day?

1,000 a day?

Where is the line until everything is shut down again?

There is a lot of denial around the seriousness of the situation and the trap the world finds itself in without a vaccine.

Some don't seem to link the mitigation with the results.

Remove the constraints and that curve won't look so flat!

Nobody is saying remove all constraints, on a phased basis they can be removed.

Work from home can continue in a lot of places, queueing to get into supermarkets can continue, 2 metres apart in the post office can continue, screens around supermarket cashiers can continue, increased home delivery can continue.

An awful lot of social distancing measures can continue and cause not much more than minor inconvenience to a lot of people.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

bladespin wrote: »

I'd agree but their findings belong to the Gates foundation so who has the information then?

Go on, you'll get there.



Very much depends on which field they studied, if I have a viral infection I doubt a consulting gynecologist would be a lot of help.

If Gates or WHO have the information then we should be listening to them, not necessarily take it as gospel but at least give the info some air.

Ah, were going for the condescending line instead of debate. Last resource as they say.

There are world health organisations that are doing it for other reasons than money