Relaxation of restrictions

Kermit.de.frog

[Deleted User] wrote: »

That is for the politicians and the doctors to decide. But they will determine an acceptable number. That is just the hard truth of it

Indeed they will and when it reaches 75 deaths a day everything will be shut down in terror not just by a scared government but a scared public who will be even more risk averse.

Things need to be done very delicately in the months ahead.

Need to manage this until a vaccine can be distributed.

easypazz

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Oh and you still can't leave your house in Spain for people who think it's getting much better there, only to shops and pharmacy, compared to there it's like there's no lockdown here at all

The point is they are easing restrictions. Baby steps. As will we on May 5th, France on May 11th etc.

bladespin

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Ah, were going for the condescending line instead of debate. Last resource as they say.

There are world health organisations that are doing it for other reasons than money

Nah, I haven't started firing insults..

Yep, I listed the WHO above, they're driven by the UN.

Edit.BTW Gates isn't funding the foundation to make money.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

easypazz wrote: »

Because it will begin on May 5th, everybody else is easing restrictions, or talking about when it will start.

We will be no different.

It's the Irish way. Wait until everyone else does it first.

Every country is different though. The number of manageable cases is what will dictate what and if restrictions are lifted. And what's happening in Spain or south Korea or the US, while an indicator of what will happen, can not be taken as a guarantee.

Charles Babbage

citysights wrote: »

That has to be a misprint.

The usual story of the headline writer going for something shocking which isn't actually contained in the article.



This has to be managed until a vaccine is found. The best thing would be drive the number of cases down to zero and then just have management at the airports.

Downlinz

Cyrus wrote: »

because the longer we lock down, the more damage we do to our own economy, why can people get their heads around this?

This is a very sad misunderstanding of the situation if you really think the lockdown is the economic problem and not the virus.

The arguments keep getting repeated over and over around here but it's not sinking in for some.
You should try speaking to staff in the vast majorities of cafes, restaurants, tourism offices etc about their level of business and profitability during the period of social distancing before the lockdown and closures were ordered. They'll all tell you business was dreadful and many of them shut prior to orders for that reason.

Removing the lockdown won't stimulate the economy in a meaningful way, restoring public confidence that it's safe to shop, work and mingle in public is the only way to do this. Prematurely removing the lockdown does the opposite of this and likely delays the recovery.

BanditLuke

bladespin wrote: »

Not really, they're outliers because it's unusual for this to be fatal to younger people without underlying conditions.

No really. It's because of the lockdown

Open up the country again to under 65's and you'll have ICU's over run with them. You do realise a massive percentage of our population is obese or have underlying problems that this virus will exploit.

It's because of our restrictions we aren't seeing death on a unimaginable scale.

ZX7R

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

They will start lifting restrictions eventually. Whether we do it now or in 2 months won't stop the global depression, why can't people get their heads around this?

IMF stated a global economy will contract by 3% this year but see a quick rebound in the first quarter of 2021 with grouth of 5•8%
Yes it's the biggest global economy restriction since the great depression.
But even the IMF are calling it a recession not a depression .
You can read the full IMF news letter on there home page .It was released today.
Read it there is much more information in it than reported in the Media.
It all not complete doom and gloom.

niallo27

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Ok, so when we open up we see an overwhelming surge...

How many deaths are acceptable?

500 a day?

1,000 a day?

Where is the line until everything is shut down again?

There is a lot of denial around the seriousness of the situation and the trap the world finds itself in without a vaccine.

Some don't seem to link the mitigation with the results.

Remove the constraints and that curve won't look so flat!

1000 dead a day, why would we possibly have that. Italy with 13 times our population peaked at this number.

Idbatterim

lads why the concern, the irish governments have done such a fantastic job over the past few decades, why would any one dare question them now?

Paddygreen

bladespin wrote: »

Edit.BTW Gates isn't funding the foundation to make money.

Bill saw exactly this scenario unfolding before it happened, the man has amazing foresight. Hopefully the vaccine being spearheaded by Bill and his esteemed associates will be made compulsory. I never thought I would say this as an atheist but Bill is God to me.

Deeper Blue

niallo27 wrote: »

1000 dead a day, why would we possibly have that. Italy with 13 times our population peaked at this number.

Do you really expect a logical explanation?

It's all doom and gloom remember?

Who cares about actual trends and statistics, our entire population will be wiped out by this time next year!!!!

Dr. Bre

Paddygreen wrote: »

Bill saw exactly this scenario unfolding before it happened, the man has amazing foresight. Hopefully the vaccine being spearheaded by Bill and his esteemed associates will be made compulsory. I never thought I would say this as an atheist but Bill is God to me.

Bill Gods

Paddygreen

Idbatterim wrote: »

lads why the concern, the irish governments have done such a fantastic job over the past few decades, why would any one dare question them now?

Those who are not team players need to be put on the bench, sidelined and silenced if necessary. Now is not the time to question our government.

KrustyUCC

Good man paddy

I needed a bit of a laugh today

GT89

Could they make certain places in the long run exempt from having social distancing where it's just not practical to have it. Public transport for example when people start going back to work and school it would be very difficult to practice social distancing on a bus for example even if it wasn't full ok it can work at the moment with so few travelling.

Supermarkets aswell in the long run no one wants to queue for an hour just to do shopping espeicially if they're under time pressure. Social distancing could just be applied to places like offices by staggering work days, restaurants, cinemas, ahopping centres etc.

The risk would still be reduced to a manageable as people wouldn't be congregating to same extent as they were eg. no more big concerts, football matches, nightclubs etc. and less people in workplaces like offices.

Tell me how

GT89 wrote: »

Could they make certain places in the long run exempt from having social distancing where it's just not practical to have it. Public transport for example when people start going back to work and school it would be very difficult to practice social distancing on a bus for example even if it wasn't full ok it can work at the moment with so few travelling.

Supermarkets aswell in the long run no one wants to queue for an hour just to do shopping espeicially if they're under time pressure. Social distancing could just be applied to places like offices by staggering work days, restaurants, cinemas, ahopping centres etc.

The risk would still be reduced to a manageable as people wouldn't be congregating to same extent as they were eg. no more big concerts, football matches, nightclubs etc. and less people in workplaces like offices.

Social distancing will have to be applied based on what is best practice, not whether or not people don't want to queue for an hour. A piecemeal effort may mean having to do so for longer than a more focused effort for a shorter period.

Don't think any decisions have been made yet on just what the future holds and I suspect conversations about relaxing restrictions are largely being started be business/economics focused groups rather than healthcare.

spacetweek

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Good man paddy

I needed a bit of a laugh today

Dunno why you're laughing, he's right.
The virus doesn't care about silly political tribalism.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

spacetweek wrote: »

Dunno why you're laughing, he's right.
The virus doesn't care about silly political tribalism.

The man said he wanted a complete lockdown until a vaccine was readily available....! That's not right, that's trolling!

Kermit.de.frog

niallo27 wrote: »

1000 dead a day, why would we possibly have that. Italy with 13 times our population peaked at this number.

Again failure to link mitigation with results. How many cases and deaths per day do you think Italy would have without their lockdown measures.

It's not rocket science.

Tenzor07

ZX7R wrote: »

IMF stated a global economy will contract by 3% this year but see a quick rebound in the first quarter of 2021 with grouth of 5•8%
Yes it's the biggest global economy restriction since the great depression.
But even the IMF are calling it a recession not a depression .
.

That 5-8% next year will be wiped out again if there's another surge in CV19 cases.
It seems we're stuck with ongoing restrictions indefinitely, high unemployment and low economic activity with the tourism and travel industries a shadow of their former selves, food production, road/rail/ship transport also employing far less numbers than before.

This Virus has set the world economy back decades, which will take further decades to get back to the levels we've just had.

States will have to step up and provide a universal income payment for all, at one level, and also allow people to take up low, part-time and contract work without losing any state payments.

ixoy

Tenzor07 wrote: »

It seems we're stuck with ongoing restrictions indefinitely, high unemployment and low economic activity with the tourism and travel industries a shadow of their former selves, food production, road/rail/ship transport also employing far less numbers than before.

Indefinitely? So you're assuming there's going to be no vaccine, no ways to mitigate against this for years? This is something that's affecting billions and, for better or worse, it's hitting the richer countries this time so there's a lot of incentive to find a solution.

Nermal

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Indeed they will and when it reaches 75 deaths a day everything will be shut down in terror not just by a scared government but a scared public who will be even more risk averse.

Some of the public have indeed been driven half-mad with fear. There's parents in another thread seriously contemplating home-schooling their children next September even if the schools open.

But if the pubs were open, they'd be packed. Don't know how anyone could think otherwise.

Diarmuid

ixoy wrote: »

Indefinitely? So you're assuming there's going to be no vaccine, no ways to mitigate against this for years? This is something that's affecting billions and, for better or worse, it's hitting the richer countries this time so there's a lot of incentive to find a solution.

How's the AIDS vaccine coming along?

ixoy

Diarmuid wrote: »

How's the AIDS vaccine coming along?

Different type of disease and different means of transmission. It can also be treated much more readily now.

sliabh 1956

I was a bit disappointed on my evening walk within 2 Killo. of my home as I passed the local GAA pitch i saw about 15 teens pucking around . It will be a shame if people start getting careless after making such a great effort up to now

Diarmuid

ixoy wrote: »

Different type of disease and different means of transmission. It can also be treated much more readily now.

No vaccine. Just like SARS and the common cold, two other corona viruses.

0gac3yjefb5sv7

I really hope today is our peak in terms of new cases and deaths. These measures need to be showing a downward trend soon if anything is to change in May.

Galwayguy35

GT89 wrote: »

Could they make certain places in the long run exempt from having social distancing where it's just not practical to have it. Public transport for example when people start going back to work and school it would be very difficult to practice social distancing on a bus for example even if it wasn't full ok it can work at the moment with so few travelling.

Supermarkets aswell in the long run no one wants to queue for an hour just to do shopping espeicially if they're under time pressure. Social distancing could just be applied to places like offices by staggering work days, restaurants, cinemas, ahopping centres etc.

The risk would still be reduced to a manageable as people wouldn't be congregating to same extent as they were eg. no more big concerts, football matches, nightclubs etc. and less people in workplaces like offices.

According to Harris social distancing will be a part of daily life until a vaccine is found.

JTMan

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

According to Harris social distancing will be a part of daily life until a vaccine is found.

You mean until the majority of people receive a vaccine. A vaccine will problem by found by Autumn. It will probably not be pass distributed until spring next year.