Relaxation of restrictions

BanditLuke

pjohnson wrote: »

Yeah majority of Irish people find life more important than money. As much as it annoys the greedy. Economy is simply not the priority.

It is more important to the obvious Gordon Gekko's in training here.

Thankfully we have people in charge who think differently.

is_that_so

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Indeed. Makes you informed though.

We're all informed to a lesser or greater extent due to the excellent communication work of the CMO and HSE. He's an advocate, a very smart one pursuing his passion and one with very deep pockets but he will not deliver an actual solution or devise one like qualified experts do.

easypazz

thomas 123 wrote: »

Also on a personal note have some respect, the people who need to self isolate built this country and changed your backside.

Not really, people age 50-70 have put a lot into it too and don't deserve to be thrown into financial meltdown when they reach 70.

Dr. Bre

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

Pubs and restaurants open by mid June? You`re living in fantasy land if you think that will happen.

June 2021

tom1ie

easypazz wrote: »

100%

If people have no money in August they won't be able to afford heat, or maintenance on their boiler and they will die from the cold.

Or they won't be able to afford their house and end up depressed or homeless and die.

Or people in abusive relationships will be absolutely in bits and die.

Lots and lots of people will die either way.

ffs do we live in Alaska?
stop with the scaremongering!

easypazz

BanditLuke wrote: »

Thankfully we have people in charge who think differently.

Yes, thankfully they think that if we leave things shut much longer loads of people will die and they need to get the economy open.

Professor Moriarty

is_that_so wrote: »

We're all informed to a lesser or greater extent due to the excellent communication work of the CMO and HSE. He's an advocate, a very smart one pursuing his passion and one with very deep pockets but he will not deliver an actual solution or devise one like qualified experts do.

No he won't. But he is informed by the pandemic analysis created by the 300 health data analysts and researchers employed by the organisation he funds. So, when he talks, I pay attention.

SNNUS

easypazz wrote: »

100%

If people have no money in August they won't be able to afford heat, or maintenance on their boiler and they will die from the cold.

Or they won't be able to afford their house and end up depressed or homeless and die.

Or people in abusive relationships will be absolutely in bits and die.

Lots and lots of people will die either way.

Will you stop talking sense! We have to stay indoors for 2 years and everything will be fine...

BanditLuke

easypazz wrote: »

Yes, thankfully they think that if we leave things shut much longer loads of people will die and they need to get the economy open.

Our numbers of deaths and reported cases is climbing and hasn't peaked yet. If you think after these 3 weeks the government are going to listen to a few Gordon Gekko's wanna be's online instead of the health advisory board then i can't help you.

suicide_circus

BanditLuke wrote: »

Our numbers of deaths and reported cases is climbing and hasn't peaked yet. If you think after these 3 weeks the government are going to listen to a few Gordon Gekko's wanna be's online instead of the health advisory board then i can't help you.

Its not the Gordon Gekkos who are worried, Gordon Gekko has plenty in the bank

easypazz

BanditLuke wrote: »

Our numbers of deaths and reported cases is climbing and hasn't peaked yet. If you think after these 3 weeks the government are going to listen to a few Gordon Gekko's wanna be's online instead of the health advisory board then i can't help you.

But they are listening to the health and advisors, and they are hearing loud and clear that if this continues indefinitely people will start to die anyway.

Hence restrictions will start to lift on May 5th.

seamus

niallo27 wrote: »

For the 8th million time, it's not about going to the pub or the ****en beach its about being able to pay some bills in 3 months time.

There is that. And the government needs to improve its messaging on this point. People's very legitimate worry is not that the bank is going to come knocking in the middle of the pandemic. But that they will have already played all their cards - deferred mortgage payments, eaten into savings, gotten a dig out from friends and family - and then the restrictions will be lifted and the institutions will come knocking for their money. But people will still have no jobs with which to pay it.

The government's hope is that the supports they're providing to employers and the restoration of the hospitality industry will save most people. Even the IMF forecasts are predicting that Ireland's economic shock will be very sharp, but very short, with unemployment dropping 50% from 2020 to 2021.

But that's a whole year of uncertainty. And the government need to put more reassurances in place that anyone left on the live register when this is over, won't be caught in the same mortgage arrears trap that many others did in the last recession.

Perhaps a scheme that covers someone's mortgage interest for a full year while unemployed due to the crisis and an obligation on banks to allow a temporary transfer to interest-only.

Balance that with an automatic entitlement to HAP without means testing to ensure that the same doesn't happen to renters who've been made unemployed.

The purpose here is not to pretend that everything is OK and make everyone "whole" again. But to recognise that when the number of people hitting your safety net is tripling virtually overnight, then you need a bigger and more robust net.

KiKi III wrote: »

That may be the case for you niallo, but there are plenty of others on the thread who have been clear that getting back to the pub, the beach, or the park is a priority.

That's a glib way of dismissing people's very real need for human contact. Most people are not looking for a bag of cans on the beach or to go sunbathing in the park. They're yearning for the ability to go meet their friends, their parents and siblings, cousins and niblings, give them a hug, sit down and have a normal, human conversation.

KiKi III

SNNUS wrote: »

Will you stop talking sense! We have to stay indoors for 2 years and everything will be fine...

Pure BS pretending anyone who believes in the lockdown wants it to remain in place for two years.

We’re talking days and weeks, not months and years.

KrustyUCC

seamus wrote: »

That's a glib way of dismissing people's very real need for human contact. Most people are not looking for a bag of cans on the beach or to go sunbathing in the park. They're yearning for the ability to go meet their friends, their parents and siblings, cousins and niblings, give them a hug, sit down and have a normal, human conversation.

100%

easypazz

seamus wrote: »

There is that. And the government needs to improve its messaging on this point. People's very legitimate worry is not that the bank is going to come knocking in the middle of the pandemic. But that they will have already played all their cards - deferred mortgage payments, eaten into savings, gotten a dig out from friends and family - and then the restrictions will be lifted and the institutions will come knocking for their money. But people will still have no jobs with which to pay it.

The government's hope is that the supports they're providing to employers and the restoration of the hospitality industry will save most people. Even the IMF forecasts are predicting that Ireland's economic shock will be very sharp, but very short, with unemployment dropping 50% from 2020 to 2021.

But that's a whole year of uncertainty. And the government need to put more reassurances in place that anyone left on the live register when this is over, won't be caught in the same mortgage arrears trap that many others did in the last recession.

Perhaps a scheme that covers someone's mortgage interest for a full year while unemployed due to the crisis and an obligation on banks to allow a temporary transfer to interest-only.

Balance that with an automatic entitlement to HAP without means testing to ensure that the same doesn't happen to renters who've been made unemployed.

The purpose here is not to pretend that everything is OK and make everyone "whole" again. But to recognise that when the number of people hitting your safety net is tripling virtually overnight, then you need a bigger and more robust net.

That's a glib way of dismissing people's very real need for human contact. Most people are not looking for a bag of cans on the beach or to go sunbathing in the park. They're yearning for the ability to go meet their friends, their parents and siblings, cousins and niblings, give them a hug, sit down and have a normal, human conversation.

Very well put, we can all ride it out and kick the can down the road for a while.

Then things reopen and we need money for credit card bill, overdraft, car insurance, tax, NCT and servicing the car, tyres, heating oil, clothes, new washing machine, school books etc. etc. etc.

The longer the lockdown goes on the deeper the debt hole becomes and the more people find themselves in it.

easypazz

KiKi III wrote: »

Pure BS pretending anyone who believes in the lockdown wants it to remain in place for two years.

We’re talking days and weeks, not months and years.

That's great news, all back to work by middle of May.

KrustyUCC

Days and weeks turn to months

Since the 12th March to end of today is 35 days

Or 5 weeks

Or 1 month 4 days

After today 20 more days to the 5th of May even though Government will prob have another announcement the Friday beforehand

Cork Boy 53

easypazz wrote: »

That's great news, all back to work by middle of May.

No chance whatsoever of that happening. At most a few select types of businesses reopening with strict rules in place.

alwald

seamus wrote: »

That's a glib way of dismissing people's very real need for human contact. Most people are not looking for a bag of cans on the beach or to go sunbathing in the park. They're yearning for the ability to go meet their friends, their parents and siblings, cousins and niblings, give them a hug, sit down and have a normal, human conversation.

But you are also dismissing those muppets who will go and queue for some fish and chips in complete disregard of this global pandemic and its dangers on human life.

easypazz

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

No chance whatsoever of that happening. At most a few select types of businesses reopening with strict rules in place.

I am not the one saying that.

By middle of June though expect most things to be ramped back up.

Downlinz

seamus wrote: »

That's a glib way of dismissing people's very real need for human contact. Most people are not looking for a bag of cans on the beach or to go sunbathing in the park. They're yearning for the ability to go meet their friends, their parents and siblings, cousins and niblings, give them a hug, sit down and have a normal, human conversation.

This is a problem everyone has to deal with and nobody is dismissing the challenge involved. However, anyone with concerns for friends and family at the forefront should hold the desire to maintain distance to keep them safe and respect the lockdown as a measure enforcing this.

is_that_so

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Days and weeks turn to months

Since the 12th March to end of today is 35 days

Or 5 weeks

Or 1 month 4 days

After today 20 more days to the 5th of May even though Government will prob have another announcement the Friday beforehand

I'm going the optimistic route of 5th May being a childhood Christmas Day and I will not be disappointed!

lainey_d_123

easypazz wrote: »

The whole world will open up during May and June and we will be no different.

Staying closed will kill more people in the long run.

There won't be much left closed by July.

We did our bit for the vulnerable, now they must do their bit for us.

100% this.

There are some people on this thread who seem to think we should all collectively suffer for months on end so that those who need to isolate don't feel 'left out' or something. Completely disregarding not only what that would do to the economy but also everyone else's lives.

If I were 85 and in ill health, I certainly wouldn't want or expect to be anyone's priority. That's not meant in a callous way, but some people need to understand there are no winners here. The way it's going, the young are going to be sacrificed for the old. People who are elderly have lived their lives already. They've had their weddings and their careers and raised their kids, and now all that is being taken away from young people. There's a generation of teenagers having their education ruined, enormous stress put on families which will lead to family breakdown and even violence, weddings being cancelled, long distance relationships breaking up, surgery cancelled, people with poor mental health suffering enormously.

And we're facing another recession, barely a decade after the last one started. At 34, I'm only just about getting on my feet now, after years of under employment and poverty which hit at the same time as a chronic illness. Still not well off by any stretch, but making an OK salary with prospects and had started slowly saving for a flat deposit and other normal 'adult' stuff I just couldn't do before. It might have just about been possible to buy a modest flat in my late thirties and maybe even consider a family. Now where are we going to be? And there are many people even worse off, who are going to be truly destitute.

And people still insist on saying this is all about pubs and beaches.

KrustyUCC

Which is why for the most part compliance with the lockdown is done by the majority

But its also why even Harris admits you can't keep the lockdown going long term

It will be over 5 weeks by 5th of May

People will need to get back to seeing friends, family, those in relationships

As Ciara Kelly said "The knock-on effects on other non Covid-19 related aspects of people's mental and physical health means there is a tipping point where more people are harmed by lockdown than are saved"

KiKi III

easypazz wrote: »

That's great news, all back to work by middle of May.

80% of the workforce is still gainfully employed thankfully through all this, either because they are considered essential or because they can work from home.

Of the 20% who have unfortunately lost jobs, many will indeed thankfully be back in their jobs, maybe not by middle of May, but perhaps by middle of June.

That's not to say there won't be more job losses, or permanent job losses. There will. That would be the case either way because we have an export driven economy and the whole world is about to go into recession.

I'm grateful for the indications that our government and governments around us don't plan to return to austerity and will instead spend their way out of this one. There will be a massive stimulus (half a trillion deal agreed by the EU last week).

Pitch n Putt

easypazz wrote: »

I am not the one saying that.

By middle of June though expect most things to be ramped back up.

It’s hard to know really when this semi lockdown will be lifted.

From listening to the experts at daily briefings they want it to continue indefinitely.

People are going around with absolute fear, people crossing the road to pass other people, older people afraid to even go out in their own back gardens.

It’s been so much in the media now for the last 5 weeks it’s got people terrified and unable to comprehend that if the main points are adhered to -wash hands,social distancing etc life can go on.

It’s a deadly virus to certain people in society and it’s not as serious to others but the fear has people believing if they get it that’s it for them.

We can’t exist like this living in fear for the foreseeable future.

Cork Boy 53

seamus wrote: »

There is that. And the government needs to improve its messaging on this point. People's very legitimate worry is not that the bank is going to come knocking in the middle of the pandemic. But that they will have already played all their cards - deferred mortgage payments, eaten into savings, gotten a dig out from friends and family - and then the restrictions will be lifted and the institutions will come knocking for their money. But people will still have no jobs with which to pay it.

The government's hope is that the supports they're providing to employers and the restoration of the hospitality industry will save most people. Even the IMF forecasts are predicting that Ireland's economic shock will be very sharp, but very short, with unemployment dropping 50% from 2020 to 2021.

But that's a whole year of uncertainty. And the government need to put more reassurances in place that anyone left on the live register when this is over, won't be caught in the same mortgage arrears trap that many others did in the last recession.

Perhaps a scheme that covers someone's mortgage interest for a full year while unemployed due to the crisis and an obligation on banks to allow a temporary transfer to interest-only.

Balance that with an automatic entitlement to HAP without means testing to ensure that the same doesn't happen to renters who've been made unemployed.

The purpose here is not to pretend that everything is OK and make everyone "whole" again. But to recognise that when the number of people hitting your safety net is tripling virtually overnight, then you need a bigger and more robust net.

That's a glib way of dismissing people's very real need for human contact. Most people are not looking for a bag of cans on the beach or to go sunbathing in the park. They're yearning for the ability to go meet their friends, their parents and siblings, cousins and niblings, give them a hug, sit down and have a normal, human conversation.

Very few would deny this is the case. Unfortunately the virus doesn`t give a **** about any of that.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

easypazz wrote: »

I am not the one saying that.

By middle of June though expect most things to be ramped back up.

Impossble to say - it depends on what happens in the three or four weeks after the 5th of May or whenever the initial restrictions are eased, and the state of the hospitals. Other factors such as weather will also have an effect.

GT89

pjohnson wrote: »

Yeah majority of Irish people find life more important than money. As much as it annoys the greedy. Economy is simply not the priority.

Having to stay in your home or stay within 2km of your house is not living it's surviving. Things like going to work, school, football matches, concerts, pubs, restaurants and on holidays are all an important part of life is a Western developed nation. Who wants to live under quarantine it's not being greedy.

There will be changes in May or June. Everyone is talking about it....politicians, health professionals and even the WHO. We won’t stay in this extreme lockdown. The question is what changes will be made and how fast, and what mitigants will be in place (social distancing, masks, testing, mobile phone supported tracing, work from home for those that can).

Everyone will be disappointed. Those that want to get back to normal will be disappointed that they cannot, and those that just want to lockdown for much longer will think that the relaxation of measures is reckless. And those at risk, whether old or vulnerable, will have to continue to protect themselves, because the virus will be out there for a good while