Relaxation of restrictions

Theboinkmaster

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

Pubs will not reopen before Nov/Dec at the earliest and quite possibly not until 2021.

I agree.

If primary schools only come back in September the government will wait to see impact after a month or so. Once all OK pubs can open again in Oct/Nov in time for Xmas.

They'll be the last in a phased release IMO - restaurants & hotels will be before them.

alwald

easypazz wrote: »

You are well wide of the mark.

Once schools and colleges open, and shopping centres reopen, then there will be a lot of places where thousands of people are mingling most days of the week.

There will be no point keeping pubs closed then.

Pubs and other similar places/venues, where social distancing is literally impossible, will have a negative effect on the basic reproductive number (R0) which stands below 1 thanks to all the efforts so far.

I am going to be crucified by the "lift restrictions brigade" but pubs might not open again until a vaccine or cure is found.

Cork Boy 53

skallywag wrote: »

When secondary schools and colleges do open, I would imagine that it will still be with social distancing of some form being observed.

I cannot see how any social distancing at all will be possible in a pub type environment though?

Short of putting up screens to separate pub goers in each and every licensed premises in the country it can`t be.

never_mind

God this thread is a toxic hybrid of journal.ie commentators and twitter-armchair-virologists...

Simon Harris said he’s hopeful some restrictions will be lifted in May. This may have been discussed but what do you think? I would imagine the 2K thing will be 5K and B+Q and Argos and the likes will reopen.

If things are going well I’d be hopeful that restaurants and cafes with good social distancing measures in place will open in june

Cupatae

never_mind wrote: »

God this thread is a toxic hybrid of journal.ie commentators and twitter-armchair-virologists...

Simon Harris said he’s hopeful some restrictions will be lifted in May. This may have been discussed but what do you think? I would imagine the 2K thing will be 5K and B+Q and Argos and the likes will reopen.

If things are going well I’d be hopeful that restaurants and cafes with good social distancing measures in place will open in june

You just missed one of your righteous buddies!

Perhaps ye could make a separate thread for the "Higher Ups" and leave the rest of us mere mortals squabbling here.

scamalert

alwald wrote: »

Pubs and other similar places/venues, where social distancing is literally impossible, will have a negative effect on the basic reproductive number (R0) which stands below 1 thanks to all the efforts so far.

I am going to be crucified by the "lift restrictions brigade" but pubs might not open again until a vaccine or cure is found.

well then same could be said for schools easily, do you think any kids will maintain any distancing outside classrooms ? that's mission impossible.


Same with restaurants sure there could be less people but families would come together, people coming and going.


Think fact is that once government wont be able to pay social extra benefits most restrictions will go, and it will be left for people to decide if they wanna go out drinking or be safe, theres no scenario where this keeps up for years to keep as little as possible people out, as come end of September flu seasons will kick off again, and given damp rainy weather can see clusters developing in no time, even if some will just be out with cold, will take one hysteric parent to call for total closures again, as imagine quite few after this will be conditioned to request time off every time someone feels they have a cold.


So in reality opening everything for summer would yeald better outlook- just to get on with this, then have a generation who will be PTSD about virus for years to come.

Ace2007

skallywag wrote: »

When secondary schools and colleges do open, I would imagine that it will still be with social distancing of some form being observed.

I cannot see how any social distancing at all will be possible in a pub type environment though?

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

Short of putting up screens to separate pub goers in each and every licensed premises in the country it can`t be.

I suspect if you went searching for all threads about the smoking ban coming into effect you would see similar, but yet people adhere to it, and suspect the same will happen this time round.

alwald

never_mind wrote: »

God this thread is a toxic hybrid of journal.ie commentators and twitter-armchair-virologists...

Simon Harris said he’s hopeful some restrictions will be lifted in May. This may have been discussed but what do you think? I would imagine the 2K thing will be 5K and B+Q and Argos and the likes will reopen.

If things are going well I’d be hopeful that restaurants and cafes with good social distancing measures in place will open in june

You are bringing toxicity with your post. Who said the opposite of what you are suggesting?

Loafing Oaf

khalessi wrote: »

I am both. I spent over 20 years as a general nurse and am now a teacher for various reasons so it gives me a interesting perspective on certain things and I also have a couple of other qualifications that dont need mentioning here in completely different areas from those mentioned.

mother of dragons, breaker of chains:p

alwald

scamalert wrote: »

well then same could be said for schools easily, do you think any kids will maintain any distancing outside classrooms ? that's mission impossible.


Same with restaurants sure there could be less people but families would come together, people coming and going.


Think fact is that once government wont be able to pay social extra benefits most restrictions will go, and it will be left for people to decide if they wanna go out drinking or be safe, theres no scenario where this keeps up for years to keep as little as possible people out, as come end of September flu seasons will kick off again, and given damp rainy weather can see clusters developing in no time, even if some will just be out with cold, will take one hysteric parent to call for total closures again, as imagine quite few after this will be conditioned to request time off every time someone feels they have a cold.


So in reality opening everything for summer would yeald better outlook- just to get on with this, then have a generation who will be PTSD about virus for years to come.

Social distancing can apply in schools and educating the society as a whole on an ongoing basis can contribute to it.
Pubs are different unless they become like restaurants with mandatory seating and distancing.

The government won't risk another lockdown as its effect will be devastating hence why a sensible approach is needed to keep the R0 below 1.

khalessi

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

mother of dragons, breaker of chains:p

How'd ya guess? Thought i was being subtle

KiKi III

Some people, on hearing pubs will remain closed for a while, will use less strict lockdown restrictions to have picnics and barbecues and carefully planned summer parties that allow them to have a social life whilst being sensible.

Others will spend weeks on here moaning.

I know which category I’d rather be in.

lainey_d_123

alwald wrote: »

Hold on a second, you can't go out during the lockdown because of dozens of people and yet you want restrictions to be lifted to go out?
In addition, you observed that people aren't respecting the coughing etiquette so what makes you think that this will change with the lifting of restrictions?

I am not having a go at you I genuinely don't see any logic whatsoever.

Where did I say I wanted restrictions lifted?

I don't. I just know this can't go on forever.

The fact it's still busy is the entire bloody point - it's dangerous anyway for those of us in cities, so why kill the economy stone dead for over a year on top?

iamwhoiam

KiKi III wrote: »

Some people, on hearing pubs will remain closed for a while, will use less strict lockdown restrictions to have picnics and barbecues and carefully planned summer parties that allow them to have a social life whilst being sensible.

Others will spend weeks on here moaning.

I know which category I’d rather be in.

Thats it . Hopefully we can at some stage have family down in the garden . Well placed chairs at a distance if we must . I ache to see the kids even if we can’t hug . We will soon I hope

quokula

alwald wrote: »

Pubs and other similar places/venues, where social distancing is literally impossible, will have a negative effect on the basic reproductive number (R0) which stands below 1 thanks to all the efforts so far.

I am going to be crucified by the "lift restrictions brigade" but pubs might not open again until a vaccine or cure is found.

Vaccines and cures aren't the only games in town. A lot of work is being done worldwide on better contact tracing (e.g. the joint work Apple and Google are doing on phone tracking), better understanding of how the virus spreads, and better information and processes can do a lot to keep the R0 low.

Asian countries who have more infrastructure and processes in place from the previous SARS outbreak and have things like plastic sheets between staff and customers, temperature checks on entrance to premises, hand washing stations, RFID and QR code scanners to track your precise position before being allowed entry, defined well separated seating areas etc.

It takes time to get all that in place and pubs aren't going to be thronged on a Saturday night, but you can get things up and running in a semi-normal state. Especially as we should have the base level of infection under control by then.

easypazz

alwald wrote: »

Pubs are different unless they become like restaurants with mandatory seating and distancing.

And that is how I expect pubs to reopen.

No standing, congregating at the counter, or live music.

No functions birthday parties etc.

People sit with their own group and some tables and chairs removed.

Encourage people to visit off peak.

Reduce capacity to 50% of normal.

lainey_d_123

Cupatae wrote: »

Im afraid its you that is embarrassing yourself, and its you that hasn't got the common sense to release yourself from ur self imposed bunker.

You cant go out for a walk, cause the place you wanna go walking is too far of a walk :D For the record ive lived in New York, Paris and Vancouver. You are talking nonsense.

You don't appear to be able to read or use logic, so I'm not sure why I'm even bothering.

I said it's not safe to go outside because it's overcrowded, and your response is that I should go on a two hour walk to a nice big park....through those very same streets that are crowded. The biggest risk is within 1km of my flat, so who gives a flying fcuk if there's a beautiful park somewhere else in the city, if I have no way to get there, since I can't teleport? It might as well be in fcking San Francisco.

Engage your brain before you post ffs.

lord quackinton

The leaving cert must be done in July and all schools and universities open September as usual
And if the teachers don’t agree then sack those who won’t return and hire a plane load of Bulgarians if necessary
Joking but also not joking

Time to open up

KiKi III

easypazz wrote: »

And that is how I expect pubs to reopen.

No standing, congregating at the counter, or live music.

No functions birthday parties etc.

People sit with their own group and some tables and chairs removed.

Encourage people to visit off peak.

Reduce capacity to 50% of normal.

A pub with no socialising, in other words.

Sounds like fun.

khalessi

lord quackinton wrote: »

The leaving cert must be done in July and all schools and universities open September as usual
And if the teachers don’t agree then sack those who won’t return and hire a plane load of Bulgarians if necessary
Joking but also not joking

Time to open up

Open up and release over 1 million children in primary and secondary back mixing.

How do you propose to do this safely?

lainey_d_123

KiKi III wrote: »

A pub with no socialising, in other words.

Sounds like fun.

I don't go to pubs to talk to random people, I go to spend time with whoever I'm with, and enjoy draft pints and food. Sure, the atmosphere isn't going to be as good when it's quieter, but I think a lot of people would still go for it. The pubs around here actually got way too packed for my liking, so I don't mind the idea of making a reservation for dinner and having table service.

They should also stop allowing kids in. Most pubs round here are like a bloody creche.

alwald

khalessi wrote: »

Open up and release over 1 million children in primary and secondary back mixing.

How do you propose to do this safely?

Nevermind him he has a quota of 2 or 3 posts everyday copying and pasting his usual waffle...there is no argumentation from his side whatsoever.

castletownman

I can think of a lot of pubs in my locality, some that I frequent myself that have the capacity to adjust. Others less so.

However, I can't think of any cafe shop in my area, in what is a popular business, that would be able to operate with social distancing regulations. They are surely as big an issue as the pubs, particularly as a lot of older people use them as a social setting.

You cannot possibly deny people their coffee though.

KrustyUCC

Taoiseach pledges to 'set out roadmap for easing restrictions' by end of the month

The Government wants to set out a roadmap for easing the coronavirus restrictions within the next three weeks.

https://www.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/taoiseach-pledges-to-set-out-roadmap-for-easing-restrictions-by-end-of-the-month-39134903.html

It's behind a paywall unfortunately

I would have hoped the roadmap would have been sorted before they announced the extension of restrictions but it will be interesting to see what the plan is

KiKi III

castletownman wrote: »

I can think of a lot of pubs in my locality, some that I frequent myself that have the capacity to adjust. Others less so.

However, I can't think of any cafe shop in my area, in what is a popular business, that would be able to operate with social distancing regulations. They are surely as big an issue as the pubs, particularly as a lot of older people use them as a social setting.

You cannot possibly deny people their coffee though.

Most could operate on a takeaway basis.

iamwhoiam

khalessi wrote: »

Open up and release over 1 million children in primary and secondary back mixing.

How do you propose to do this safely?

I think it could be figured out
Staggered starting times , half the class in one day half the next . Teaching hygiene first thing with every child having hand sanitizer in their pocket . Outside class when possible . It can be done if effort and thought is put into it

jackboy

lord quackinton wrote: »

The leaving cert must be done in July and all schools and universities open September as usual
And if the teachers don’t agree then sack those who won’t return and hire a plane load of Bulgarians if necessary
Joking but also not joking

Time to open up

There is no hope the leaving cert will happen in July. It is already being strongly indicated that a lot of the restrictions will be significantly extended after 5th May.

Surely the students will need a at least a couple of months of school before attempting the leaving cert exams.

alwald

quokula wrote: »

Vaccines and cures aren't the only games in town. A lot of work is being done worldwide on better contact tracing (e.g. the joint work Apple and Google are doing on phone tracking), better understanding of how the virus spreads, and better information and processes can do a lot to keep the R0 low.

Asian countries who have more infrastructure and processes in place from the previous SARS outbreak and have things like plastic sheets between staff and customers, temperature checks on entrance to premises, hand washing stations, RFID and QR code scanners to track your precise position before being allowed entry, defined well separated seating areas etc.

It takes time to get all that in place and pubs aren't going to be thronged on a Saturday night, but you can get things up and running in a semi-normal state. Especially as we should have the base level of infection under control by then.

Some very interesting points indeed that I came across few times reading articles but I never focused on them.
The GDPR brigade will be against any such app but it's certainly part of the solution.

KiKi III

lord quackinton wrote: »

The leaving cert must be done in July and all schools and universities open September as usual
And if the teachers don’t agree then sack those who won’t return and hire a plane load of Bulgarians if necessary
Joking but also not joking

Time to open up

Why *must* it? What would be the big deal if the next academic year was delayed by a month?

Cupatae

lainey_d_123 wrote: »

You don't appear to be able to read or use logic, so I'm not sure why I'm even bothering.

I said it's not safe to go outside because it's overcrowded, and your response is that I should go on a two hour walk to a nice big park....through those very same streets that are crowded. The biggest risk is within 1km of my flat, so who gives a flying fcuk if there's a beautiful park somewhere else in the city, if I have no way to get there, since I can't teleport? It might as well be in fcking San Francisco.

Engage your brain before you post ffs.

Im afraid its you that cant use logic, is there a rock concert directly outside ur door? there must be 100'000s in ur direct vicinity (like right outside) ur house that you cant even go outside at no hour day or night even for a short walk.

You spent the better part of a day arguing why restrictions are nonsense and should be lifted... but u cant even open ur front door and you want to talk about logic? dont make me laugh.