Relaxation of restrictions

Ace2007

Reganio 2 wrote: »

It would be in bold if it was a warning or some such. Grow up and stop nitpicking.

How is it nitpicking? A moderate tells a poster to look up information before posting again in the thread, that to me seems way out of line.

I reported the post in any event now so if it's ok then nothing more will come of it - i just don't think if i said that to you you would take any notice of me.

Strumms

GazzaL wrote: »

We had our peak 10 days ago. R0 is below 1. All the metrics point towards the essential easing of restrictions. Most people don't want to compound the Coronavirus tragedy with another tragedy when people's lives are destroyed socially and economically, which will result in even more deaths.

How can you destroy a life socially though ? I’m happy as a pig in shît if someone said, here another x time like this and we’ll be back to normal. Economically I get, but if reopened too early, we are fûcked on both counts, big casualties, country wrecked, Health system in tatters, specialists, doctors, nurses, carers, physios, .... getting infected, we are going about this this correct way..

GazzaL

Ace2007 wrote: »

So he knows for 100% fact that less than 45 people are going to die in anyone day from the virus any time in the future?

I feel many posters will dig out that recording if next week or the week after the death rate is higher than reported.

Stats can prove anything you want them to prove.

And no doubt there are a few sick ****ers who would rather that we didn't peak 10 days ago so that they can continue to perpetuate their misery and avoid climbing down off their high horses.

Ace2007

alwald wrote: »

Nevermind some posters here as they look at a graph without interpretation and they don't even read the full content of the article:

Dr Holohan said, however, this cannot be yet interpreted as a real drop off in mortality.

"That could be just a delay in the notification of those deaths. We have to wait to understand this. There is always a time lag between incident numbers, admission to hospitals and then mortality."

@GazzaL must have missed that part - he read what he wanted to read and ignored the rest obviously.

lord quackinton

More bad news for the lockdown Nazis

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/04/17/health/santa-clara-coronavirus-infections-study/index.html

New test that give results for those who have it or EVER HAD IT
Anti body test if even virus is gone from the body


Good news is it is not deadly as thought
Death rate now no more deadly then common flu
contact tracing and testing and lockdowns cannot possibly work as the numbers who will get it is way higher than thought

This study shows we have shut down the economy for nothing

I am off for a long run in the woods with my dog

CtevenSrowder

Ace2007 wrote: »

How is it nitpicking? A moderate tells a poster to look up information before posting again in the thread, that to me seems way out of line.

I reported the post in any event now so if it's ok then nothing more will come of it - i just don't think if i said that to you you would take any notice of me.

They're a moderator of rugby they've no "power" here.

robinph

niallo27 wrote: »

I would think pubs would be actually safer than gyms, now saying that usually gyms are full of healthier younger people where as pubs have every sort of person from 18 to 98, healthy and unhealthy.

Nobody is chatting to each other in close contact in a gym. You can easily stay meters apart from each other and have zero contact.

Pubs are designed for people to be in close contact and chatting to each other. That is where the infections will occur, not from sweaty gym equipment.

Podge201

Masala wrote: »

Question....son laid off 3 weeks ago and is sharing a house in Cork with fellow employees. They just self isolating and watchin* Netflix and zoom chats etc.

He now asking about comin* home ....to Around 100 Kim’s away. can he get on a Bus Eireann and come home. I see the Buses running.... is there any restrictions on taking them??

What about driving down to collect him.....? He quite clear that he has been careful over pass 3 weeks and has no problem in self isolating again when home. We as parents Not worried that he could risk bring home the virus.

Thoughts

Leave him there

Ace2007

Masala wrote: »

Question....son laid off 3 weeks ago and is sharing a house in Cork with fellow employees. They just self isolating and watchin* Netflix and zoom chats etc.

He now asking about comin* home ....to Around 100 Kim’s away. can he get on a Bus Eireann and come home. I see the Buses running.... is there any restrictions on taking them??

What about driving down to collect him.....? He quite clear that he has been careful over pass 3 weeks and has no problem in self isolating again when home. We as parents Not worried that he could risk bring home the virus.

Thoughts

Ring the HSE/Local Garda and ask them. I know of a few people who have traveled back from aboard and self-isolated in back of beyond for 2 weeks have moved home, after explaining the situation.

niallo27

alwald wrote: »

Nevermind some posters here as they look at a graph without interpretation and they don't even read the full content of the article:

Dr Holohan said, however, this cannot be yet interpreted as a real drop off in mortality.

"That could be just a delay in the notification of those deaths. We have to wait to understand this. There is always a time lag between incident numbers, admission to hospitals and then mortality."

Even if there is a lag, it still means these deaths were in the past which is good news.

Strumms

robinph wrote: »

Nobody is chatting to each other in close contact in a gym. You can easily stay meters apart from each other and have zero contact.

Pubs are designed for people to be in close contact and chatting to each other. That is where the infections will occur, not from sweaty gym equipment.

100% Also people loose inhibitions and judgement under the influence of alcohol. Not good at a time like this.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Masala wrote: »

Question....son laid off 3 weeks ago and is sharing a house in Cork with fellow employees. They just self isolating and watchin* Netflix and zoom chats etc.

He now asking about comin* home ....to Around 100 Kim’s away. can he get on a Bus Eireann and come home. I see the Buses running.... is there any restrictions on taking them??

What about driving down to collect him.....? He quite clear that he has been careful over pass 3 weeks and has no problem in self isolating again when home. We as parents Not worried that he could risk bring home the virus.

Thoughts

if he's 100% sure no one's been out of the house in those three weeks (other than supermarkets) and you're comfortable enough with the situation, then bring him home. No busses though, even if they are running - go get him.

Reganio 2

Ace2007 wrote: »

How is it nitpicking? A moderate tells a poster to look up information before posting again in the thread, that to me seems way out of line.

I reported the post in any event now so if it's ok then nothing more will come of it - i just don't think if i said that to you you would take any notice of me.

You're right if someone that mods a totally different forum said anything to me I would take no notice.

niallo27

robinph wrote: »

Nobody is chatting to each other in close contact in a gym. You can easily stay meters apart from each other and have zero contact.

Pubs are designed for people to be in close contact and chatting to each other. That is where the infections will occur, not from sweaty gym equipment.

My gym can be fairly packed at times, can get very stuffy. I wouldn't fancy either of them right now

alwald

niallo27 wrote: »

Even if there is a lag, it still means these deaths were in the past which is good news.

Good new indeed but we can't start drawing conclusions from it as it's too early, BTW this is the interpretation of the experts too.

We all want to hear good news about quick testing, fall in deaths, fall in ICU...but we also want a gradual and calculated lifting of the restrictions to not erase any progress made so far.

Reganio 2

robinph wrote: »

Nobody is chatting to each other in close contact in a gym. You can easily stay meters apart from each other and have zero contact.

Pubs are designed for people to be in close contact and chatting to each other. That is where the infections will occur, not from sweaty gym equipment.

You can make a meter gap between everyone in a pub theoretically. But people using the same equipment in a gym surely cant be good.

niallo27

alwald wrote: »

Good new indeed but we can't start drawing conclusions from it as it's too early, BTW this is the interpretation of the experts too.

We all want to hear good news about quick testing, fall in deaths, fall in ICU...but we also want a gradual and calculated lifting of the measures to not erase any progress made so far.

Yes we can all agree with that, it just feels like some posters try to turn anything postive into negative. That graph that was posted was really positive news.

BanditLuke

Ace2007 wrote: »

@GazzaL must have missed that part - he read what he wanted to read and ignored the rest obviously.

He's busy checking in for his Ryanair flight to Costa Del Sun.

Cut him some slack.

Cupatae

Reganio 2 wrote: »

You can make a meter gap between everyone in a pub theoretically. But people using the same equipment in a gym surely cant be good.

Cross contamination in a gym would be crazy i dont think they ll be opening for a long while they could be in the same bracket as pubs. Hopefully not tho.

robinph

Reganio 2 wrote: »

You can make a meter gap between everyone in a pub theoretically. But people using the same equipment in a gym surely cant be good.

That would be a very strange pub that you frequent where people remain 2 meters apart.

What is the risk from using gym equipment?

alwald

niallo27 wrote: »

Yes we can all agree with that, it just feels like some posters try to turn anything postive into negative. That graph that was posted was really positive news.

I think only myself and Ace2007 commented on the graph and I don't see any negativity in relation to our posts. Unless if you think that erring on the side of caution is negative.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

lord quackinton wrote: »

More bad news for the lockdown Nazis

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/04/17/health/santa-clara-coronavirus-infections-study/index.html

New test that give results for those who have it or EVER HAD IT
Anti body test if even virus is gone from the body


Good news is it is not deadly as thought
Death rate now no more deadly then common flu
contact tracing and testing and lockdowns cannot possibly work as the numbers who will get it is way higher than thought

This study shows we have shut down the economy for nothing

I am off for a long run in the woods with my dog

That's a recurring incident.

Gagnelt, a university town in western Germany was randomly tested and found to have a 15% infection rate, althoguh only 2% had tested for the virus.

https://spectator.us/covid-antibody-test-german-town-shows-15-percent-infection-rate/

Herd immunity might have been happening anyway. But even if it is represtative of the virus as a whole, I think flattening the curve will help and was the right move. Just means life will settle back into pre-virus routines a little quicker than we predicted.

BanditLuke

awec wrote: »

Having an economy so that people are able to pay taxes to actually fund a health service is pretty important in terms of helping us get over this.

The idea that we can indefinitely fund a health service, pay doctors and nurses, pay for PPE, pay for additional ICU beds, pay for any future covid treatment, purchase any future covid vaccine and pay the 350 covid dole while also funding all the other essential government departments with a half-dead economy is fantasy stuff.

There is a cost to lockdown, an enormous one.

Who said indefinitely?

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

robinph wrote: »

That would be a very strange pub that you frequent where people remain 2 meters apart.

What is the risk from using gym equipment?

It's doable, especially if the place has a beergarden - not easy though. Question is, how do you enforce it?

Reganio 2

robinph wrote: »

That would be a very strange pub that you frequent where people remain 2 meters apart.

What is the risk from using gym equipment?

Very strange gym you go to if people dont sweat.

Widdensushi

robinph wrote: »

Nobody is chatting to each other in close contact in a gym. You can easily stay meters apart from each other and have zero contact.

Pubs are designed for people to be in close contact and chatting to each other. That is where the infections will occur, not from sweaty gym equipment.

you would want to do a thorough clean before using each exercise machine

CtevenSrowder

BanditLuke wrote: »

Who said indefinitely?

When do you think restrictions should start being lifted?

Cupatae

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

It's doable, especially if the place has a beergarden - not easy though. Question is, how do you enforce it?

Alcohol and following strict rules and guidelines have historically never went well together..be an interesting one to enforce.

WhiteMemento9

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

It's doable, especially if the place has a beergarden - not easy though. Question is, how do you enforce it?

Even if it was doable when people are relatively sober that whole etiquette would break down fairly quickly as people inhibtions become lower with alcohol. There just isn't any solution that makes pubs workable.

Cupatae

CtevenSrowder wrote: »

When do you think restrictions should start being lifted?

When the health officials back it and we have a clear well defined plan on how to lift em with long term goals in mind.