Relaxation of restrictions

addaword

KrustyUCC wrote: »

'We are starting to see some light at the end of the tunnel' - Consultant on COVID-19

https://www.newstalk.com/news/starting-see-light-end-tunnel-consultant-covid-19-1003157

I would encourage everybody to stick to the restrictions

I know they're hard and really grating on people but let's keep the numbers going in a better direction

Correct. We all need to pull together for the next few weeks at least and not let a minority of people spoil it all at this stage by relaxing restrictions in the next few weeks.

Tell me how

JoeA3 wrote: »

Not really to be fair. There is some hope of control and contact tracing in a school/college class/office but no hope whatsoever in a pub realistically.

I wonder is someone developing or has developed a contact tracing app based on our mobile phones.

Google timeline already tracks location periodically and that coupled with timing margins may allow a determination of who has been close to each other.

Maybe the accuracy level required (less than 2M) to indicate 'a contact' is not possible at this point.

easypazz

robinph wrote: »

What is different about June from May?

A lot has happened in the 6 weeks since pubs opened last, a lot can happen in the next 6 weeks.

Things are extremely fast moving.

Testing / knowledge / treatments.

ixoy

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

I know I will be seen as negative, but realistically how can someone serve you either food or drink or both while the customers are 2metres apart, but the server is breathing down your neck.

Self service maybe. Just musing....

Masks most likely for staff and the customer's tables will be apart (or shielded from each other). Whether that's sustainable from a profit margin perspective is unknown but I presume better than not opening at all and yet still paying rents.

robinph

niallo27 wrote: »

4-6 weeks is massive, just think of how much has changed since this all started 6 weeks ago. Everything is moving so fast

Makes no difference if the virus is still out there.


Possibly if you are Iceland or New Zealand, cut off all international travel and then after X weeks of local lockdown can safely say that it is irradiated in the local population. Then you quarantine any people entering the country for 3 weeks in specialist facilities, any planes or boats coming in with goods have to bring their own crew for loading/ unloading/ refuelling so there is no contact at the ports/ airports... Then the local population can party on as they were before.

Anywhere else the virus is still there and things have to change.

DeVore

niallo27 wrote: »

4-6 weeks is massive, just think of how much has changed since this all started 6 weeks ago. Everything is moving so fast

To be fair, that doesnt answer his question.

Very little of substance will have changed by June from May in terms of treatment or vaccine...

We will hopefully have crushed the curve so that some elements of society will return to something like normality but they dont all have the same "cost" in terms of infection spreading.

So, pubs are quite high in those "cost" terms. You could, for instance, have beaches AND parks for the cost of pubs. But not all three as that will accelerate the virus again and we're back to lockdown.
Does that make sense?

Cork Boy 53

lord quackinton wrote: »

We are told the law backs our right to choose
It’s our body it’s our choice

I going to be honest to all of you
I will be joining a few boys in a pub this Friday for lots of beers
Lock in

It’s not breaking the law as we are carrying out an extensive survey on the property

Tipp hurling classics will be on the television

I will enjoy thank you

Drinking plenty of these no doubt just to emphasize how much of a rebel you and each of your cronies are.:rolleyes:

robinph

stephenjmcd wrote: »

You keep referencing anymore, at the moment things arent going back to the way there were, I think everyone accepts that. But whenever places do reopen be in 6 months or whatever do you really think people wont socialise in bars, restaurants etc.

From my own group of friends, with a broad age range, everyone intends on going for our few pints on a Friday after work or meeting up to watch a match one Saturday evening.

It'll all happen again, when that is we dont know

Yes, it will happen again....But that is probably a couple of years away as we need the vaccine which is a year + away, then another year + on top of that before enough people have been vaccinated.

What is going to happen in the meantime with the pubs?

easypazz

robinph wrote: »

Makes no difference if the virus is still out there.


Possibly if you are Iceland or New Zealand, cut off all international travel and then after X weeks of local lockdown can safely say that it is irradiated in the local population. Then you quarantine any people entering the country for 3 weeks in specialist facilities, any planes or boats coming in with goods have to bring their own crew for loading/ unloading/ refuelling so there is no contact at the ports/ airports... Then the local population can party on as they were before.

Anywhere else the virus is still there and things have to change.

I hate to point out the obvious but we live on an island too.

robinph

robinph wrote: »

It's not going away, so we have to rethink how socialising happens and the existing model of cram as many people in to as small a space as possible whilst throwing beer at them isn't going to work anymore.

New ways of socialising will need to be found. No idea what they might be, but what was happening in city centres every weekend until a couple of months ago isn't it anymore.

I think we will be back to normal sooner than you think. 2022 will see the city centre looking much like it did until this started.

Idbatterim

throwing extra in billions in welfare out, even above what people were earning, seems idiocy to me. The money should have been used to abolish rates for a while etc, so companies can get back on their feet...

ZX7R

Music,gigs/ concerts might be able to come back sooner , depending on the implementation of social distancing.
Gone would be for one night only thing
They could be run over a number of nights.
It would depend on the artist been able to perform like that

easypazz

robinph wrote: »

Yes, it will happen again....But that is probably a couple of years away as we need the vaccine which is a year + away, then another year + on top of that before enough people have been vaccinated.

What is going to happen in the meantime with the pubs?

Phased opening in June most likely.

Leo said yesterday they are working on a plan, and we should see a roadmap next week hopefully.

Tell me how

Idbatterim wrote: »

throwing extra in billions in welfare out, even above what people were earning, seems idiocy to me. The money should have been used to abolish rates for a while etc, so companies can get back on their feet...

And lead to everyone on Boards complaining that once again, business was being supported while the individual/family suffered.

robinph

easypazz wrote: »

I hate to point out the obvious but we live on an island too.

Yes, but an island that is not as isolated from international travel.

New Zeland and Iceland are a few hours away from anywhere by plane, Ireland is half an hour away from other countries and also has an open land border which isn't getting closed and a sea border that isn't getting closed.

Idbatterim

this government is / was a despised one, they may have a chance, to increase popularity again, in case there is a need for another election, in the shortish term.

easypazz

ZX7R wrote: »

Music,gigs/ concerts might be able to come back sooner , depending on the implementation of social distancing.
Gone would be for one night only thing
They could be run over a number of nights.
It would depend on the artist been able to perform like that

We may also have an instant test so everybody going into anything from a pub to a concert to an orgy just does a little pin prick on the way in.

Pay no notice to the doomsday crowd, they just abhor the idea of the rest of us getting out and enjoying ourselves.

In a couple of months they will be back to sitting at home very weekend with cheap booze while everybody else is enjoying life again.

stephenjmcd

robinph wrote: »

Yes, it will happen again....But that is probably a couple of years away as we need the vaccine which is a year + away, then another year + on top of that before enough people have been vaccinated.

What is going to happen in the meantime with the pubs?

I dont see a situation whereby we're waiting for a vaccine for everything to reopen.
If you listen to various governments and the WHO all say now we have to learn to live alongside this.

What if there isn't a vaccine? We're more likely to get a suitable treatment before a vaccine.

We just have to see what other countries do first, Austria, Denmark etc as we're behind them, see what works and what doesn't

Ferris_Bueller

JoeA3 wrote: »

Not really to be fair. There is some hope of control and contact tracing in a school/college class/office but no hope whatsoever in a pub realistically.

I don't agree, maybe with offices to an extent but not schools. I wouldn't be advocating for pubs or schools to be opening by May 5th of course but over the next few months they will have to and they will have to find ways to adapt.

Paddygreen

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I think we will be back to normal sooner than you think. 2022 will see the city centre looking much like it did until this started.

No end in sight for lockdown until a mandatory vaccine programme has been completed. I am a fairly buff guy in my mid forties. I would gladly offer my services to the HSE to hold anti-vaxxers down while they get their shots.

easypazz

stephenjmcd wrote: »

I dont see a situation whereby we're waiting for a vaccine for everything to reopen.
If you listen to various governments and the WHO all say now we have to learn to live alongside this.

What if there isn't a vaccine? We're more likely to get a suitable treatment before a vaccine.

We just have to see what other countries do first, Austria, Denmark etc as we're behind them, see what works and what doesn't

There is probably a full chapter in the lockdown forever bible about it that they all cherish.

robinph

stephenjmcd wrote: »

I dont see a situation whereby we're waiting for a vaccine for everything to reopen.
If you listen to various governments and the WHO all say now we have to learn to live alongside this.

What if there isn't a vaccine? We're more likely to get a suitable treatment before a vaccine.

We just have to see what other countries do first, Austria, Denmark etc as we're behind them, see what works and what doesn't

Nobody has said we are waiting for a vaccine for everything to reopen, just that we are waiting for a vaccine for thing to be able to open as they were two months ago.

Certain things can reopen, certain things cannot, some other things can reopen with changes to how they operate but some other things are not viable until there is a vaccine.

stephenjmcd

Ferris_Bueller wrote: »

I don't agree, maybe with offices to an extent but not schools. I wouldn't be advocating for pubs or schools to be opening by May 5th of course but over the next few months they will have to and they will have to find ways to adapt.

I dont think anyone expects may 5th to be this big reopening day, realistically we're going to see maybe big stores reopen, such as hardware etc but most people would like to just see the roadmap plan so there's something to aim for, if we continue to do this well by x date we can reopen this service

easypazz

robinph wrote: »

Nobody has said we are waiting for a vaccine for everything to reopen, just that we are waiting for a vaccine for thing to be able to open as they were two months ago.

Certain things can reopen, certain things cannot, some other things can reopen with changes to how they operate but some other things are not viable until there is a vaccine.

Such as?

Cork Boy 53

easypazz wrote: »

We may also have an instant test so everybody going into anything from a pub to a concert to an orgy just does a little pin prick on the way in.

Pay no notice to the doomsday crowd, they just abhor the idea of the rest of us getting out and enjoying ourselves.

In a couple of months they will be back to sitting at home very weekend with cheap booze while everybody else is enjoying life again.

Except those whose lives have been cut shorter than they otherwise would have been due to selfish actions by those of a similar mindset to yourself.

polesheep

robinph wrote: »

Makes no difference if the virus is still out there.


Possibly if you are Iceland or New Zealand, cut off all international travel and then after X weeks of local lockdown can safely say that it is irradiated in the local population. Then you quarantine any people entering the country for 3 weeks in specialist facilities, any planes or boats coming in with goods have to bring their own crew for loading/ unloading/ refuelling so there is no contact at the ports/ airports... Then the local population can party on as they were before.

Anywhere else the virus is still there and things have to change.

What you really mean by that is that you want things to change. They won't. Human nature will return things to normal surprisingly quickly. It won't be long until those who are afraid will stay at home and those who aren't will go out. Then, soon after, everyone will start to go out again. The human race will not wait for a vaccine to start being human again.

robinph

Ferris_Bueller wrote: »

I don't agree, maybe with offices to an extent but not schools. I wouldn't be advocating for pubs or schools to be opening by May 5th of course but over the next few months they will have to and they will have to find ways to adapt.

Why not for schools?

At least for a school it is relatively easy to identify exactly who everyone had contact with on the way to and from school, and also whilst at school.
For an office you can identify who was in the office, but you can't identify who was on the public transport.

Paddygreen

Paddygreen wrote: »

No end in sight for lockdown until a mandatory vaccine programme has been completed. I am a fairly buff guy in my mid forties. I would gladly offer my services to the HSE to hold anti-vaxxers down while they get their shots.

But the WHO and others are warning that there might not ever be a vaccine

robinph

polesheep wrote: »

What you really mean by that is that you want things to change. They won't. Human nature will return things to normal surprisingly quickly. It won't be long until those who are afraid will stay at home and those who aren't will go out. Then, soon after, everyone will start to go out again. The human race will not wait for a vaccine to start being human again.

...and it's because humans are stupid that the lockdowns are needed, and then social distancing and other restrictions for certain activities until there is a vaccine.

facehugger99

Idbatterim wrote: »

throwing extra in billions in welfare out, even above what people were earning, seems idiocy to me. The money should have been used to abolish rates for a while etc, so companies can get back on their feet...

Some crazy stuff going on. A friend of mine who runs a business had to let 4 Apprentices go because they were able to earn more money from the Covid-19 payment than from working.

I know of others who are working part time in shops and earning less in a week than someone just sitting at home on the sofa watching Netflix.

Completely crazy and unsustainable. We are pissing away Billions of euros with very little justification. The Govt. need to get their finger out pronto and start getting the country back to work. Extending the restrictions by 3 weeks last time is beginning to look like a monumentally stupid idea.