Relaxation of restrictions

BanditLuke

Speakerboxx wrote: »

I think you should take it as a precautionary measure. You are the expert here it seems

He's not an expert, he's just another hurler on the ditch with his own personal opinions.

road_high

addaword wrote: »

If it meant some sort of normality could return to areas least affected by the virus, well worth it. Would have to be policed though. Who would have thought 6 weeks ago we would now be 3.5 weeks in to a 2 km lock-down though?

It is not sustainable for ever.

Which the country has obeyed impeccably. Time to dial it down now. It serves little purpose.
If the vulnerable and hypochondriacs want to stay cocooning they can as long as they see fit, forever if they so wish.
They can online shop, work from home if their job suits, or claim welfare if they need to. The choice is their own personal judgement from May onwards.

allio

It's definitely happening.

I work in construction by the way.

Tony holohan or one of the senior medics let the cat out of the bag at the weekend when he said the R0 number was between 0.7 and 1. and i think i read that was based on numbers that were nearly a week old at that stage, but i can't cite that.

Heard some chatter over the weekend about getting back to work, crossed my fingers. Then heather humphreys mentioned on the radio this morning that companies that wanted to reopen had to make sure their paperwork was in order. Then I get an email from the office today to go do an online covid 19 awareness induction. Which was immediately followed up with paperwork to present to guards to get me through checkpoints as required. I'll probably get back in a few days earlier than the rest as i'll need to be there to get equipment ready/pre start checks before more arrive back. Probably do a couple of days next week on that, but either way i'm expecting the company i work for to be back out there bashing away on the 6th may. (edit: maybe not all staff at first....)

Rang around other friends i have in other large firms and they all seem to be on the same playbook. So that cat is well out of the bag.

My personal interpretation, and this is only my reading of it. The phase where it was out running around in the communities is largely over. I think The current new infections are in residential care and associated staff where it's rampant at the moment, and has been from the start by the sounds of it, but largely suppressed in the wild so to speak. Thence the redeployment of critical care staff to those institutions that's begun. There's a reason they're not giving a more detailed breakdown of specifically where they're seeing new cases, information which they surely have to hand, and that's so that people can be encouraged to remain at home. If they came out and said today , 388 new confirmed cases, 350 of which are in residential care settings and associated staff, then that would have people bouncing off the walls.

Just had a quick look at the papers and it sounds like Leo is even kinda saying that some restrictions will be lifted on the 5th....

road_high

Speakerboxx wrote: »

I think you should take it as a precautionary measure. You are the expert here it seems

No I’m fine thanks. But if you need to lockdown yourself indefinitely then work away. Absolutely no one is forcing you and coming out of lockdown isn’t compulsory. Just let the rest of us get on with living and trading.

I can’t help but think this is a chance for governments globally to allow the earth to recover a little, while keeping this pandemic manageable.

Speakerboxx

road_high wrote: »

No Just let the rest of us get on with living and trading.

Nobody is certain who will be living in any given day in the future. You have to take every day as it comes.

road_high

Bam Bam Mickey wrote: »

I can’t help but think this is a chance for governments globally to allow the earth to recover a little, while keeping this pandemic manageable.

Already will be some environmental benefits to reduced consumption.
Whether people will tolerate the associated falls in living standards, healthcare and social welfare remains to be seen. Highly unlikely I’d wager though

dalyboy

pgj2015 wrote: »

does any of you feel like me and want to get the virus? get it out of the way, then at least you can say you have had it and are now likely immune.

Totally feel like that. If I could get a test first to determine if either I’ve already had (and didn’t know) or have the antibodies to remain unaffected. Otherwise I’d gladly allow myself to be infected with the virus and take my chances. I’m in my mid forties and fit/healthy so limited chance of fatality. I would rather that course of action than potentially spending the next 5 years religiously washing my hands constantly and living in fear of this invisible risk. Major caveat to this action though is that I infect nobody else around me. I’d stay in a bunker for a month if required. The reward would be freedom.

road_high

Speakerboxx wrote: »

Nobody is certain who will be living in any given day in the future. You have to take every day as it comes.

That is how I live usually. And precisely why I can’t stand this “non living” limbo we are currently trapped in.

stephenjmcd

Speakerboxx wrote: »

Nobody is certain who will be living in any given day in the future. You have to take every day as it comes.

Which is why as soon as places start reopening I plan on living life to the full and enjoying more of a work / personal life balance than previously.

Anyone who wants to stay at home that's their own choice and fair enough but it's not for me

road_high

BanditLuke wrote: »

He's not an expert, he's just another hurler on the ditch with his own personal opinions.

Never said anywhere I was an expert. But it’s undeniable that society and our economy cannot go on any longer in this state of paralysis which is my guiding light

addaword

road_high wrote: »

Already will be some environmental benefits to reduced consumption.
Whether people will tolerate the associated falls in living standards, healthcare and social welfare remains to be seen. Highly unlikely I’d wager though

A middlin' lifestyle would be fine for most people now / much better than we have put up with this past month say. Things like shopping trips to New York, big weddings, over-commercialisation etc are put in context. A simple happy life need not cost a fortune when this is all over, or be very bad for the environment.

road_high

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Which is why as soon as places start reopening I plan on living life to the full and enjoying more of a work / personal life balance than previously.

Anyone who wants to stay at home that's their own choice and fair enough but it's not for me

Me too. I can’t wait to live again and be free. Little things like a drive up the mountains.
Ive a new perspective and need to see more of the world when it opens up again.
Those that think the opposite can go on isolating no one will be interfering whatsoever in their free choice

stephenjmcd

road_high wrote: »

Me too. I can’t wait to live again and be free. Little things like a drive up the mountains.
Ive a new perspective and need to see more of the world when it opens up again.
Those that think the opposite can go on isolating no one will be interfering whatsoever in their free choice

Likewise, planning to do some travelling that I kept saying I'd do next year for the last few years. This is the kick to actually do it now because you never know when it'll get taken away

fr336

China locked down Wuhan fully for 3 months and are still having big issues with this virus even as they try to gradually open things up again. Why do we in the west arrogantly assume we can abandon our half arsed lockdown after 3 and a half weeks? Consume consume consume that's the western way, and we need constant stimulation from our stressful jobs with not enough people assigned to projects so capitalists can cream off the top as profit because if we don't fill our lives with constant work stress or constant going here and there usually just for the sake of it we realise how empty western socities are, espcially once you go west past France. I have yet to see any real efforts from governments or public to look at ways we can tone down our consumerists societies just a tiny wee bit, so we can all still make tons of profit for billionaires and live in relative luxury. We just want to go back to the way things were before, as if it was paradise.

allio

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Likewise, planning to do some travelling that I kept saying I'd do next year for the last few years. This is the kick to actually do it now because you never know when it'll get taken away

Better start loving the wild atlantic way then cos i don't see there being much chance of getting abroad this year.... This going to be the summer where a tent will be needed cos everybodies going to be moving to the west for the weekends in the summer! If we're allowed down that is!

fr336

I can guarantee most of those talking about making the most of life and doing really interesting things when things are back to "normal" will go back to spending their spare time in pubs and shops.

road_high

fr336 wrote: »

China locked down Wuhan fully for 3 months and are still having big issues with this virus even as they try to gradually open things up again. Why do we in the west arrogantly assume we can abandon our half arsed lockdown after 3 and a half weeks? Consume consume consume that's the western way, and we need constant stimulation from our stressful jobs with not enough people assigned to projects so capitalists can cream off the top as profit because if we don't fill our lives with constant work stress or constant going here and there usually just for the sake of it we realise how empty western socities are, espcially once you go west past France. I have yet to see any real efforts from governments or public to look at ways we can tone down our consumerists societies just a tiny wee bit, so we can all still make tons of profit for billionaires and live in relative luxury. We just want to go back to the way things were before, as if it was paradise.

I hear North Korea is a great spot and do great aul lockdowns. Sounds like you’d fit right in

gauchesnell

timmy_mallet wrote: »

Maybe I misunderstood. I am saying that this method if killing time till we die is not great, social interaction, sports, music, etc are far better ways of doing that and if the opportunity cost is slightly more death, than I think we need to get used to that.

woah - you can have social interaction without people dying. Just new ways to live until a vaccine develops.

Music sports etc can still happen in time.

My only point is that a lot of businesses are still open and working very hard to remain open. They have come up with new ideas.

pjohnson

road_high wrote: »

I hear North Korea is a great spot and do great aul lockdowns. Sounds like you’d fit right in

So much for respecting other peoples choices. Why dont ya start whinging about welfare again?


The "new" you lasted about 10 minutes :pac:

road_high

fr336 wrote: »

I can guarantee most of those talking about making the most of life and doing really interesting things when things are back to "normal" will go back to spending their spare time in pubs and shops.

Well let us do we want to do and you can what you want to do. And we can mind eachothers business. That’s the beauty for me of a free society. Ok?

gauchesnell

road_high wrote: »

Delivery and online aren’t the same as “open”. Posters listed a list of closed to the public businesses with online or phone ordering as open. That’s completely inaccurate

why. My work is closed to the public but still open.

Businesses are still trading is my point.

Speakerboxx

fr336 wrote: »

I can guarantee most of those talking about making the most of life and doing really interesting things when things are back to "normal" will go back to spending their spare time in pubs and shops.

Couldnt agree more with you. It be all an anti climax once we come out of covid 19.

road_high

pjohnson wrote: »

So much for respecting other peoples choices. Why dont ya start whinging about welfare again?


The "new" you lasted about 10 minutes :pac:

Cuts both ways im afraid. And no I’ll never agree with a load of old Marxist brain washed twaddle so long as we are still allowed open discussion. Perhaps you’d like to remove that also?

stephenjmcd

allio wrote: »

Better start loving the wild atlantic way then cos i don't see there being much chance of getting abroad this year.... This going to be the summer where a tent will be needed cos everybodies going to be moving to the west for the weekends in the summer! If we're allowed down that is!

Did I say this summer ? I'm not expecting to go anywhere this summer. I'm talking next year.

I'll probably take a week somewhere in Ireland on the basis the hospitality sector is back up an running.

fr336

road_high wrote: »

I hear North Korea is a great spot and do great aul lockdowns. Sounds like you’d fit right in

3 and a half weeks!!


Good luck with the economy if a lockdown is lifted too soon and / or not applied soon enough. Economies don't do great when thousands of their citizens are dying every day.


But still, you know best....just like you probably did before the current lockdown...

stephenjmcd

fr336 wrote: »

I can guarantee most of those talking about making the most of life and doing really interesting things when things are back to "normal" will go back to spending their spare time in pubs and shops.

You look after you I'll look after me, and yes I'll be making better use of my time off work and doing whatever I've always put off doing.

Speakerboxx

road_high wrote: »

Well let us do we want to do and you can what you want to do. And we can mind eachothers business. That’s the beauty for me of a free society. Ok?

The poster is right though and is making a really valid point. You might take it on board.

gauchesnell

stephenjmcd wrote: »

I can put up with staying at home for a while, working during the day and watching Netflix in the evening and having a few drinks at the weekend but there is not a chance of me doint this whenever restrictions get lifted, I'll go to sporting events, gigs, social outings etc.

If anything this whole thing is making me more determined to enjoy life as much as possible, dont see why anyone thinks there'll be a massive change in attitude when we get through this, yes people will be much more aware of their health and realise that whenever they have a cough or a cold you stay away from people.

i think everyone will though wont they...weirdly I am also looking forward to getting back to the office.

stephenjmcd

Speakerboxx wrote: »

The poster is right though and is making a really valid point. You might take it on board.

Hes making a point and everyone is entitled to but it's a generalisation.
Each to their own but it's what I'll be doing anyway