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Relaxation of restrictions

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  • #2822
    JRant
    Registered Users Posts: 13,081 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    Stheno wrote: »
    How many people on this thread who used work in offices but can now work from home would continue to do so for say three months if it was suggested?

    I was WFH for a day or two a week before this anyway. It's been enjoyable to have lunch with my family and get to see them more. However, been extra calls, meetings, and work load it's the busiest I've ever been and I would work long enough hours anyway.
    A mix would still be my preferred option though. Yes, VCs are good but there's nothing like getting actual face time with people.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • #2823
    Thelonious Monk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,383 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    JRant wrote: »
    I still can't wrap my head around why he is seen to be doing such a great job.

    PPE for health care workers - fail
    Protecting the elderly - fail
    Adequate testing - fail

    That's 3 massive failures alone and himself and Leo need to be held to account for all of them.

    It was clear at the beginning that they had no plan going into these phased restrictions and it's also clear they haven't the foggiest on how to get the country out of them.

    I suppose himself and Leo have been clear and concise in what they've been saying, when people want instructions and answers from politicians. When you see Boris and Donald being a bit all over the place it made our politicians look good.
    I personally think it's OTT the praise being lavished on them, SH is just a mouthpiece for civil servants and medical experts, and Leo is just reading out some scripts saying we have to stay indoors and what have you.


  • #2824
    normanoffside
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,123 ✭✭✭✭normanoffside


    Jurgen Klopp wrote: »
    Officials in Spain believe 15 in every 16 cases go unreported

    https://english.elpais.com/society/2020-04-08/spain-to-test-30000-families-for-the-coronavirus.html

    Please sweet Jesus be true

    Undetected rather than unreported.
    Many people report symptoms but don't pass a threshold for testing.


  • #2825
    Stheno
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,688 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    Logan Roy wrote: »
    Forever if it was allowed :pac:

    Getting more done and finding it more peaceful. Not a fan of our large open plan office rammed with people.

    I think it will be supported by government as part of a gradual lifting of restrictions


  • #2826
    normanoffside
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,123 ✭✭✭✭normanoffside


    BanditLuke wrote: »
    Been a big believer of this for a while now, worldwide. I'd say the vast majority are showing no symptoms at all.

    First thing we have ever agreed on on this subject.


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  • #2827
    BanditLuke
    Registered Users Posts: 2,600 ✭✭✭BanditLuke


    normanoffside wrote: »
    First thing we have ever agreed on on this subject.

    No hugging.


  • #2828
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    KiKi III wrote: »
    So who do you think should be making the decisions? (Third time asking)

    The decisions cannot just be medical based, economic sensibilities have to be considered. Whether that is uncomfortable for people is irrelevant. Feck all point in trying to save people to lose thousands in the coming years because of an economic wasteland.


  • #2829
    Tenzor07
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,944 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    A restriction that makes sense:

    off-licences-should-close-during-covid-19-crisis-says-public-health-expert-


  • #2830
    normanoffside
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,123 ✭✭✭✭normanoffside


    The main reason that medical care workers are testing positive in such high numbers is because they are actually testing them.

    It's not just because they are catching it in Hospital.


  • #2831
    polesheep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,950 ✭✭✭polesheep


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    The decisions cannot just be medical based, economic sensibilities have to be considered. Whether that is uncomfortable for people is irrelevant. Feck all point in trying to save people to lose thousands in the coming years because of an economic wasteland.

    Based on her last post, the only reply you are going to get is "oooh, ooooh, ahhhhh.'


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  • #2832
    normanoffside
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,123 ✭✭✭✭normanoffside


    Tenzor07 wrote: »
    A restriction that makes sense:

    off-licences-should-close-during-covid-19-crisis-says-public-health-expert-

    Maud Flanders stuff


  • #2833
    lainey_d_123
    Registered Users Posts: 2,385 ✭✭✭lainey_d_123


    Tenzor07 wrote: »
    A restriction that makes sense:

    off-licences-should-close-during-covid-19-crisis-says-public-health-expert-

    I mean, yes, but a lot of people are getting through this by enjoying a few more drinks than usual. I'm not a big drinker but I've been having a glass with dinner fairly regularly and it's stopping me going completely insane.

    It's also probably not great for alcoholics to have a forced withdrawal - I saw a doctor talking about this on TV the other day. Maybe one of the reasons they haven't been forced to close?


  • #2834
    polesheep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,950 ✭✭✭polesheep


    Tenzor07 wrote: »
    A restriction that makes sense:

    off-licences-should-close-during-covid-19-crisis-says-public-health-expert-

    This ties in with a point I made earlier about how a point comes where the populace stop listening to experts.


  • #2835
    JRant
    Registered Users Posts: 13,081 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    Thelonious Monk wrote: »
    I suppose himself and Leo have been clear and concise in what they've been saying, when people want instructions and answers from politicians. When you see Boris and Donald being a bit all over the place it made our politicians look good.
    I personally think it's OTT the praise being lavished on them, SH is just a mouthpiece for civil servants and medical experts, and Leo is just reading out some scripts saying we have to stay indoors and what have you.

    Boris and the Donald is a very low bar to set. I haven't gotten the impression of them being clear and concise at all. They both just parrot the same buzzwords and catchphrases about acting on medical advise. If these restrictions are to be extended then let people know in good time. I don't care if it's 2 weeks or a month but they can't keep drip feeding information out to the public. Make a call and go with it. If we leave it up to some medical panel we'll be shutdown till a vaccine appears.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • #2836
    Tenzor07
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,944 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    normanoffside wrote: »
    Maud Flanders stuff

    It will prevent excess alcohol consumption leading to long term illness and reduce the risk of people sustaining injuries from incidents which can happen due to an excess of alcohol in the system, if someone falls due to that then it will take up the use of the emergency services who have better things to do that look after people who get pissed..


  • #2837
    lbj666
    Registered Users Posts: 2,021 ✭✭✭lbj666


    Tenzor07 wrote: »
    A restriction that makes sense:

    off-licences-should-close-during-covid-19-crisis-says-public-health-expert-


    They should close them tomorrow night holy thursday for old time sake, then look at the que's for stockpiling booze for an indefinite amount of time 9.59.

    Offies are only open due to the panic buying it would cause to close them. Its nothing to do with an essential service or keeping moral up, its just basic common sense.


  • #2838
    lainey_d_123
    Registered Users Posts: 2,385 ✭✭✭lainey_d_123


    JRant wrote: »
    Boris and the Donald is a very low bar to set. I haven't gotten the impression of them being clear and concise at all. They both just parrot the same buzzwords and catchphrases about acting on medical advise. If these restrictions are to be extended then let people know in good time. I don't care if it's 2 weeks or a month but they can't keep drip feeding information out to the public. Make a call and go with it. If we leave it up to some medical panel we'll be shutdown till a vaccine appears.

    That's a tactic. If they came out and said we'd be locked down for 3 months, people would revolt. Doing it a bit at a time is easier for people to digest and get used to.


  • #2839
    Tenzor07
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,944 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    lainey_d_123 wrote: »
    It's also probably not great for alcoholics to have a forced withdrawal - I saw a doctor talking about this on TV the other day. Maybe one of the reasons they haven't been forced to close?

    With the restrictions on movement we're withdraw from a lot of activities that kept us sane, so sacrifices have to be made during the pandemic...


  • #2840
    polesheep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,950 ✭✭✭polesheep


    Tenzor07 wrote: »
    It will prevent excess alcohol consumption leading to long term illness and reduce the risk of people sustaining injuries from incidents which can happen due to an excess of alcohol in the system, if someone falls due to that then it will take up the use of the emergency services who have better things to do that look after people who get pissed..

    Not many drunks in A&E at the moment.


  • #2841
    lainey_d_123
    Registered Users Posts: 2,385 ✭✭✭lainey_d_123


    Tenzor07 wrote: »
    With the restrictions on movement we're withdraw from a lot of activities that kept us sane, so sacrifices have to be made during the pandemic...

    I'm not being rude, but do you know what alcohol withdrawal is actually like? It's no joke, and has a high chance of requiring hospital resources.


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  • #2842
    Tenzor07
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,944 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    lbj666 wrote: »
    They should close them tomorrow night holy thursday for old time sake, then look at the que's for stockpiling booze for an indefinite amount of time 9.59.
    Offies are only open due to the panic buying it would cause to close them. Its nothing to do with an essential service or keeping moral up, its just basic common sense.

    Close them this weekend, the amount of people i've seen buying slabs of cheap booze, who are going to sit at home and drink all day..
    It will lead to an increase in alcohol related violence in the home also.


  • #2843
    Tenzor07
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,944 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    lainey_d_123 wrote: »
    I'm not being rude, but do you know what alcohol withdrawal is actually like? It's no joke, and has a high chance of requiring hospital resources.

    If someone is that bad then surely they would be receiving treatment from their Doctors already?
    You can't just say that people should keep boozing as a treatment for alcohol withdrawal, just doesn't make medical sense...


  • #2844
    JRant
    Registered Users Posts: 13,081 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    Tenzor07 wrote: »
    It will prevent excess alcohol consumption leading to long term illness and reduce the risk of people sustaining injuries from incidents which can happen due to an excess of alcohol in the system, if someone falls due to that then it will take up the use of the emergency services who have better things to do that look after people who get pissed..

    Have we seen a spike in this over the past 3/4 weeks. By all accounts A&E departments are almost empty

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • #2845
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Tenzor07 wrote: »
    A restriction that makes sense:

    off-licences-should-close-during-covid-19-crisis-says-public-health-expert-
    Bathtub Gin time so.


  • #2846
    JRant
    Registered Users Posts: 13,081 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    lainey_d_123 wrote: »
    That's a tactic. If they came out and said we'd be locked down for 3 months, people would revolt. Doing it a bit at a time is easier for people to digest and get used to.

    Oh I'm sure it is. Now imagine you were a small business owner trying to keep a company alive under that kind of never ending continuations. It's an impossible way to run a country. People will adjust easier when they can put some longer term planning in place for their own actions. Right now we haven't a clue.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • #2847
    Jurgen Klopp
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,807 ✭✭✭Jurgen Klopp


    BanditLuke wrote: »
    Been a big believer of this for a while now, worldwide. I'd say the vast majority are showing no symptoms at all.

    Here's something I just looked at

    USA
    Cases: 426,659 Deaths: 14,632

    Spain
    Cases: 148,220 Deaths: 14,792

    Italy
    Cases: 139,422 Deaths: 17,669

    See the massive difference between the US and Italy and Spain? There is no way with respect to the US they are so superior that they are keeping their rate so low in relation to the others

    That means there has to be far far more infected out there


  • #2848
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    JRant wrote: »
    Have we seen a spike in this over the past 3/4 weeks. By all accounts A&E departments are almost empty

    We haven't but never waste an opportunity to impose your agenda , values on others.


  • #2849
    An Ri rua
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,512 ✭✭✭An Ri rua


    lbj666 wrote: »
    They should close them tomorrow night holy thursday for old time sake, then look at the que's for stockpiling booze for an indefinite amount of time 9.59.

    Offies are only open due to the panic buying it would cause to close them. Its nothing to do with an essential service or keeping moral up, its just basic common sense.


    Some, of the cloth, would say it brings your morals down....
    And they should know!


  • #2850
    AdamD
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,684 ✭✭✭✭AdamD


    Stheno wrote: »
    How many people on this thread who used work in offices but can now work from home would continue to do so for say three months if it was suggested?
    Wouldn't be surprised if the government encourage the WFH to continue for another month or two even as restrictions are lifted
    Tenzor07 wrote: »
    A restriction that makes sense:

    off-licences-should-close-during-covid-19-crisis-says-public-health-expert-
    It makes sense until you spend about 10 seconds thinking of the unintended consequences of it


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  • #2851
    BanditLuke
    Registered Users Posts: 2,600 ✭✭✭BanditLuke


    Jurgen Klopp wrote: »
    Here's something I just looked at

    USA
    Cases: 426,659 Deaths: 14,632

    Spain
    Cases: 148,220 Deaths: 14,792

    Italy
    Cases: 139,422 Deaths: 17,669

    See the massive difference between the US and Italy and Spain? There is no way with respect to the US they are so superior that they are keeping their rate so low in relation to the others

    That means there has to be far far more infected out there

    I'd say you could multiply the official numbers by at least 10 worldwide probably even multiples of that. I'm not even adverse to the thinking that's its been in the community for months now


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