Digital ID's for everyone

Cheerful Spring2

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

What do you spam threads with your nonsense more like.
New vaccines was listed as one of the methods to control population.

Erm, you're entirely ignoring that family sizes reduce with improved health care. Lack of vaccinations are one of the key reasons for deaths in the developing world.

Ipso

Deleted User wrote: »

Erm, you're entirely ignoring that family sizes reduce with improved health care. Lack of vaccinations are one of the key reasons for deaths in the developing world.

It's the mental gymnastics involved to ignore this that really shows the desperate need for conspiracy theorists be seen as heroes.

King Mob

Ipso wrote: »

It's the mental gymnastics involved to ignore this that really shows the desperate need for conspiracy theorists be seen as heroes.

Aren't they though?
They did all that research to crack the deep labyrinthine conspiracy. The scoured the world and threw hours into research. They turned over every stone and sniffed out every dark corner. They unraveled the coverup that the conspiracy spent billions on to set up
And in the end, they found the one thing that could show beyond a shadow of a doubt that these people and organisations are up to something massive and global.
And that thing was: Them saying their evil plot in front of a live audience and camera and/or putting their plot on their public website.

Cheerful Spring2

Deleted User wrote: »

Erm, you're entirely ignoring that family sizes reduce with improved health care. Lack of vaccinations are one of the key reasons for deaths in the developing world.

I not ignorning this at all. When did i say this was not true, what post.
I said Gates would like to see new vaccines that would stop population growth in poorest countries, big difference.

King Mob

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

I said Gates would like to see new vaccines that would stop population growth in poorest countries, big difference.

But that's not what he said though.
Why do you keep lying?

Cheerful Spring2

movinghome.. wrote: »

In S.Korea everybody has a digital ID number.

Health Insurance (mandatory/government led single payer), bank account, credit cards, finger prints, phone registration, tax records, address etc are all linked together with this ID number. All citizens including visa holders from other countries must have one.

This fact has been the single biggest reason (along with the really great healthcare system) that the Coronavirus spread is being contained so well there. When a patient contracts the disease- their credit card usage is checked, their movements are noted, including phone gps and public text messages are sent out into the community of places they have been while infected including exact times/dates.
Cafes or wherever they have been are temporarily closed and the property there and nearby are quickly disinfected.

An infection in any of the 9 jurisdictions in Seoul for example would mean text alerts sent out to all residents living in those of exact movements of individuals in the community. Anybody in danger is advised to isolate, call a number to be collected if they show symptoms and get tested if they wish (free and quickly).

This has also meant that most businesses have remained open. The country even held a general election 1 month ago with the highest turnout ever recorded.

Something to think about. Without the digital ids things would be very different.
Also, it is a reason for a relatively low crime rate compared to most other countries.

Finally a post for the other side. You provide more information here then the regular posters have in weeks. You and other poster should have a debate.

Dohnjoe

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

There only one referrence Trump visited Epstein at his home.

They were neighbours and knew each other for at least 2 decades

https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-epstein-friendship-timeline-history-2019-7?r=US&IR=T

So the narrative gets changed to anyone who met with Epstein after 2011 is apparently "evil". Elon Musk met him after 2011, so..

Cheerful Spring2

Dohnjoe wrote: »

They were neighbours and knew each other for at least 2 decades

https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-epstein-friendship-timeline-history-2019-7?r=US&IR=T

So the narrative gets changed to anyone who met with Epstein after 2011 is apparently "evil". Elon Musk met him after 2011, so..

There is a distinction when meeting him at a party with others, and staying at his house overnight. Epstein met lot of people at parties, but Gates lied to the press and said he had no relationship with Epstein. He got found out and the lies were exposed. People have forgotten this now. The New York Times and many others found a long trail of activity and Epstein and Gates were longterm friends.

Trump knew him, but the record shows he cut all ties before 2007, or have you new info. Prince Andrew and Gates continued to meet Epstein after 2007.

I don't dismiss the allegationS against Trump, he may be involved. Trump should fry like the rest of them, if his involved in the rape of children.

Dohnjoe

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

but Gates lied to the press and said he had no relationship with Epstein.

I have met people dozens of times that I have no relationship with, no friendship with, no business relationship with. Did Gates downplay any meetings he had with Epstein? of course he did, like everyone. Stalin was a known mass-murderer, people still met him, it doesn't mean they were automatically interested in mass-murder, it doesn't mean they were automatically "evil".

Also Gates is 64 years old, has been married for 25 odd, no evidence he's ever even had an affair, no evidence whatsoever he's racist.

Yet here you are, trying to insinuate he's up to some sort of sinister global plot to racially purge people without a shred of evidence..

Then again, I am completely unsurprised you have latched onto Bill Gates as an evil mastermind considering the types of people who believe he is just that

Timberrrrrrrr

Dohnjoe wrote: »

I have met people dozens of times that I have no relationship with, no friendship with, no business relationship with. Did Gates downplay any meetings he had with Epstein? of course he did, like everyone. Stalin was a known mass-murderer, people still met him, it doesn't mean they were automatically interested in mass-murder, it doesn't mean they were automatically "evil".

Also Gates is 64 years old, has been married for 25 odd, no evidence he's ever even had an affair, no evidence whatsoever he's racist.

Yet here you are, trying to insinuate he's up to some sort of sinister global plot to racially purge people without a shred of evidence..

Then again, I am completely unsurprised you have latched onto Bill Gates as an evil mastermind considering the types of people who believe he is just that

This is what makes his claims so pathetic! Not even a shred of evidence, not even a sniff of any wrongdoing by Gates but CS sees evil.

Meanwhile he talks up Trump, A man who cheated on his pregnant wife, in fact all of his wives, who has bare backed porn stars, a man who constantly lies and was also friends with Epstein for decades (often partying with him) a man who has walked into the dressing rooms of teenagers (some of whomever were in a state of undress) without any announcement "because he could".

Between Gates and Trump I know which one I consider to be the pervert.

Cheerful Spring2

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

I not ignorning this at all. When did i say this was not true, what post.
I said Gates would like to see new vaccines that would stop population growth in poorest countries, big difference.

So you're opposed to better healthcare cause it naturally results in decreased population growth? They also don't tend to be new vaccines, they're vaccines that we already receive or simply dealing with illnesses that have already been eradicated in wealthier countries. Not exactly nefarious...

Dohnjoe

Deleted User wrote: »

So you're opposed to better healthcare cause it naturally results in decreased population growth? They also don't tend to be new vaccines, they're vaccines that we already receive or simply dealing with illnesses that have already been eradicated in wealthier countries. Not exactly nefarious...

"Bill Gates is involved in helping millions of the world's poorest, but he met Epstein more than once, therefore he's evil, therefore whatever good he's doing in the world is pure evil"

I could call it childish, but that would be an insult to the basic intelligence of kids

King Mob

Dohnjoe wrote: »

"Bill Gates is involved in helping millions of the world's poorest, but he met Epstein more than once, therefore he's evil, therefore whatever good he's doing in the world is pure evil"

I could call it childish, but that would be an insult to the basic intelligence of kids

I think the conclusion that Bill Gates is evil and up to something comes first. (Most likely because it was seen in a youtube video.)
Then after that, anything and everything that can be used against him to bolster that conclusion regardless of facts or reality.

4068ac1elhodqr

Gates is likely more interested in DigitalID's, than population control in the short-medium term.

However he has of course in the past funded actual chip implants (beyond the scope of simple DigitalID QDTs) that could be considered 'family planning', (or worse if you read the Guardian's view). https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/architecture-design-blog/2014/jul/11/design-futures-remote-controlled-contraceptive-microchip-launch-by-2018

However his self-positioning to singular global virologist, is strange. Indeed an example of how money, ($250m additional in funding in recent days) can buy global influence. $50m of the latest cash dump goes to GAVI (id2020 partner).

Direct from the chappy himself:
https://www.gatesnotes.com/Health/What-you-need-to-know-about-the-COVID-19-vaccine?WT.mc_id=20200430165003_COVID-19-vaccine_BG-TW&WT.tsrc=BGTW&linkId=87665522

We need to make billions of doses, we need to get them out to every part of the world, and we need all of this to happen as quickly as possible. ...There’s simply no alternative.

No alternative to the 7bn (maybe even 14bn, for a v2) shipment.

Goverments will 'need to' expedite their usual drug approval processes in order to deliver it to 7 billions people quickly. aka Emergency Licencing

I.e. Don't worry too much about normal safety stuff, just get it 'out there', 'tis 'mergency

As of April 9, there are 115 different COVID-19 vaccine candidates in the development pipeline. I think that eight to ten of those look particularly promising. (Our foundation is going to keep an eye on all the others to see if we missed any that have some positive characteristics, though.)

Again BG's influence and ownership of the best considered global model, by use of cold cash to watch, and then 'own' outright the best candidate.

It might not be a perfect vaccine yet—and that’s okay.

With this 'push' could come risks and side effects, but not to worry, again 'tis 'mergency.

I suspect a vaccine that is at least 70 percent effective will be enough to stop the outbreak.

What about Sweden's model (or even the uk) of natural herd immunity reaching 70%, matching what any vaccine can do.

We need to manufacture and distribute at least 7 billion doses of the vaccine.

We {BGF}? What if the Chinese or Europe develop a better vaccine, it would be 'theirs' to manufacture and distribute.

Getting the vaccine out in low-income countries could save millions of lives. The good news is we already have an organization with expertise about how to do this in Gavi, the Vaccine Alliance.

Ah of course, GAVI the id2020 partner, that Bill handed $50m. Likely this would aid the (id2020) goal of a push to Digital Identity 1.1bn of the planets poorest. A vaccine combined with a digital identifer (Quantum Dot Tattoo, also BG funded), would be just perfect for this, would it not...

Kidchameleon

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

This is what makes his claims so pathetic! Not even a shred of evidence, not even a sniff of any wrongdoing by Gates but CS sees evil.

Meanwhile he talks up Trump, A man who cheated on his pregnant wife, in fact all of his wives, who has bare backed porn stars, a man who constantly lies and was also friends with Epstein for decades (often partying with him) a man who has walked into the dressing rooms of teenagers (some of whomever were in a state of undress) without any announcement "because he could".

Between Gates and Trump I know which one I consider to be the pervert.

Hi could you post links to evidence that Trump:

* cheated on his pregnant wife
* constantly lies
* was friends with Epstein for decades
* "often" partied with Epstein
* walked into the dressing rooms of teenagers

Thanks.

ohnonotgmail

Kidchameleon wrote: »

Hi could you post links to evidence that Trump:

* cheated on his pregnant wife
* constantly lies
* was friends with Epstein for decades
* "often" partied with Epstein
* walked into the dressing rooms of teenagers

Thanks.

would you like evidence that grass is green as well?

Timberrrrrrrr

Kidchameleon wrote: »

Hi could you post links to evidence that Trump:

* cheated on his pregnant wife
* constantly lies
* was friends with Epstein for decades
* "often" partied with Epstein
* walked into the dressing rooms of teenagers

Thanks.

I could yes.

Kidchameleon

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

I could yes.

Go ahead so.


Either that or I'll assume your talking out of your rear.

ohnonotgmail

Kidchameleon wrote: »

Go ahead so.


Either that or I'll assume your talking out of your rear.

people have better things to be doing than responding to nonsense posts like that

Ipso

We got a live one, of a different kind.

Kidchameleon

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

people have better things to be doing than responding to nonsense posts like that

A post asking for verification about claims made about Donald Trump is nonsense?


Have you any opinions on Bill Gates relationship with Rick Jones (a known child pornographer)? What about Bill Gates relationship with Epstein (which was far more involved than Trump/Epstein)? What about the Bill/Melinda foundations experiments on African girls which left thousands infertile?

Timberrrrrrrr

Kidchameleon wrote: »

Go ahead so.


Either that or I'll assume your talking out of your rear.

Exactly how I feel when I read your lying posts and the whinging P.M you sent me earlier

Cheerful Spring2

Kidchameleon wrote: »

Have you any opinions on Bill Gates relationship with Rick Jones (a known child pornographer)? What about Bill Gates relationship with Epstein (which was far more involved than Trump/Epstein)? What about the Bill/Melinda foundations experiments on African girls which left thousands infertile?

They think Gates is a moral and good person. They dismiss evidence that disproves their theories. The ignored the New York Times story, i posted about Epstein and Gates.

Cheerful Spring2

Kehlani Massive Magnum wrote: »

However he has of course in the past funded actual chip implants (beyond the scope of simple DigitalID QDTs) that could be considered 'family planning', (or worse if you read the Guardian's view). https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/architecture-design-blog/2014/jul/11/design-futures-remote-controlled-contraceptive-microchip-launch-by-2018

.

Good find, what I suspected was the case here.

King Mob

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

Good find, what I suspected was the case here.

So you now believe in the Biblical prophesy of the "Mark of the Beast" as well?

Cheerful Spring2

King Mob wrote: »

So you now believe in the Biblical prophesy of the "Mark of the Beast" as well?

My understanding the mark of the beast is 666. Do I believe it? I not religious but I do believe the heaven described in the bible likely in the Cosmos and not what we think it is in our heads. It make more sense to me we part of a larger family and what ancient people thought were gods are actually travellers from somewhere else.

King Mob

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

My understanding the mark of the beast is 666. Do I believe it? I not religious but I do believe the heaven described in the bible likely in the Cosmos and not what we think it is in our heads. It make more sense to me we part of a larger family and what ancient people thought were gods are actually travellers from somewhere else.

So you do believe in Accumluator's belief that these marks are the mark of the beast?

Cheerful Spring2

King Mob wrote: »

So you do believe in Accumluator's belief that these marks are the mark of the beast?

I think he clarified not meant to be taken literally. He can explain himself and I remember he said something last week about it.
Do I believe the mark of the beast is a reference to people being marked with digital tattoos? That’s a giant leap to make and there no evidence for that.

King Mob

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

I think he clarified not meant to be taken literally. He can explain himself and I remember he said something last week about it.

He hasn't. He's been dodging the questions about it.

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

Do I believe the mark of the beast is a reference to people being marked with digital tattoos? That’s a giant leap to make and there no evidence for that.

So such a claim is false?

Cheerful Spring2

King Mob wrote: »

So such a claim is false?

It is a curious passage, if was translated properly?
Also it causes all, both small and great, both rich and poor, both free and slave, to be marked on the right hand or the forehead, so that no one can buy or sell unless he has the mark, that is, the name of the beast or the number of its name. This calls for wisdom: let the one who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man, and his number is 666.

This could fit any time period after they wrote the Bible. You can make interpretations and be wrong.

I can see why some believe it’s a prediction for the future. You cannot buy or sell when you don’t have the mark. The only reason to believe it a future prediction is a passage from the book of revelations. Following Christen scripture, these events have not happened yet.

King Mob

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

It is a curious passage, if was translated properly?
.

I'm sure your translation is much better.

But you've dodged the question. As per normal.
Do you believe the mark of the beast is a reference to people being marked with digital tattoos?
Yes or no?

Cheerful Spring2

King Mob wrote: »

I'm sure your translation is much better.

But you've dodged the question. As per normal.
Do you believe the mark of the beast is a reference to people being marked with digital tattoos?
Yes or no?

My reading of it and could be wrong. The passage claims all people will have the mark, the rich and poor, can only buy and sell when you have the mark.

What kind of mark is it? Go back then to ask, that’s impossible

It does not say Digital tattoo or describe how the mark would be placed on the right hand and what it looks like:)

It's a leap to claim the person wrote this because they saw thousand years ago future humankind would have a technology the likes we describe today. This passage alone does not convince me that person had a crystal ball, but its interesting passage nevertheless.

King Mob

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

My reading of it and could be wrong. The passage claims all people will have the mark, the rich and poor, can only buy and sell when you have the mark.

What kind of mark is it? Go back then to ask, that’s impossible

It does not say Digital tattoo or describe how the mark would be placed on the right hand and what it looks like:)

It's a leap to claim the person wrote this because they saw thousand years ago future humankind would have a technology the likes we describe today. This passage alone does not convince me that person had a crystal ball, but its interesting passage nevertheless.

Lol. Question dodged.

Why do you guys have to be so evasive on your own positions?

Cheerful Spring2

King Mob wrote: »

Lol. Question dodged.

Why do you guys have to be so evasive on your own positions?

I answered in the third line

They're not a quote outlining this a digital/ buy and sell tattoo.
Its just says a mark will be placed on the right hand or forehead and people can only buy or sell when they have it.

King Mob

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

I answered in the third line

They're not a quote outlining this a digital/ buy and sell tattoo.
Its just says a mark will be placed on the right hand or forehead and people can only buy or sell when they have it.

Do you believe the mark of the beast is a reference to people being marked with digital tattoos?
Yes or no?

Cheerful Spring2

King Mob wrote: »

Do you believe the mark of the beast is a reference to people being marked with digital tattoos?
Yes or no?

I can see why some people on here believe it's a prediction of a future event.
I don’t see enough evidence here to believe digital tattoos is the mark of the beast- I would need to see something more conclusive.
Mark on the right hand is not identified here. Easy to jump to conclusions and believe its predicting a Quantum tattoo in the hand, but i don't see anything in the passage that confirms it.
You want a simple yes/no answer.

King Mob

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

You want a simple yes/no answer.

Yes. And you're not honest enough to give one.

You're giving wishy washy answers cause you don't want to disagree with another conspiracy theorist.

Cheerful Spring2

Even the last line open to interpretation. Are they claiming man is 666- what does that mean. Trying to solve this we be here all day. The only reason to believe its a future prediction, is a passage in the book of revelation, when the end times are near. It could be meaningless ramblings too and random events are just fitted into a nice slot for people. It could be Nostradamus type of thing with quatrains matched to things that happened this century and after he died..

This calls for wisdom: let the one who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man, and his number is 666.

GreenandRed

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

Even the last line open to interpretation. Are they claiming man is 666- what does that mean. Trying to solve this we be here all day. The only reason to believe its a future prediction, is a passage in the book of revelation, when the end times are near. It could be meaningless ramblings too and random events are just fitted into a nice slot for people. It could be Nostradamus type of thing with quatrains matched to things that happened this century and after he died..

This calls for wisdom: let the one who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man, and his number is 666.

That's close enough to 066, the Tralee area code. Could Donaghy be an fear dubh I wonder?

Cheerful Spring2

King Mob wrote: »

Yes. And you're not honest enough to give one.

You're giving wishy washy answers cause you don't want to disagree with another conspiracy theorist.

I gave my opinion.
If the other poster believes 100 percent, the mark of the beast is a Quantum Tattoo that's his viewpoint.
Unlike you, I not here to trash other people's opinions.
We know your agenda is debunk every conspiracy there is no matter what

Ipso

GreenandRed wrote: »

That's close enough to 066, the Tralee area code. Could Donaghy be an fear dubh I wonder?

If it’s one thing you associate with Kerry, it’s wisdom.

King Mob

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

I gave my opinion.
If the other poster believes 100 percent, the mark of the beast is a Quantum Tattoo that's his viewpoint

And your opinion is wishy washy and non committal because you don't want to disagree with a conspiracy theorist.

Meanwhile, he doesn't believe your nonsense about Bill Gates wanting to depopulate the world with vaccines and is likewise avoiding outwardly saying that.

You both know each other's theory is silly and embarrassing, but you won't dare admit as much because:
1. You subscribe to some bizarre notion of tribalism in that any theory, regardless of validity, is acceptable as long as it goes against the majority.
2. You don't want to voice the reasons why you don't agree with the theory or the problems with it because such things hit too close to home and invite comparisons with your own theory.
3. You aren't actually interested in discussing conspiracy theories, you're only interested in spamming "evidence" for your own in an atempt to look and feel informed.

And this is why you've been so useful Cheerful. When other conspiracy theorists moan about being compared with the crazy conspiracy types, and that no one actually believes the silly "distracting conspiracy theories", we can point to you as a shining example.

Ted_YNWA

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Exactly how I feel when I read your lying posts and the whinging P.M you sent me earlier

Mod - You've been around long enough to know not to call someone a liar.

PM's are called private for a reason.

Cheerful Spring2

King Mob wrote: »

Meanwhile, he doesn't believe your nonsense about Bill Gates wanting to depopulate the world with vaccines and is likewise avoiding outwardly saying that.
.

I said Gates wanted to stop population growth with new vaccines You added in, I said depopulation

Posters have different views. You see this as some battle where everyone has to agree about the same thing.

4068ac1elhodqr

All this banter towards the bible and numbers (somewhat interesting, but can only ever be theory based) is a clear distraction, best ignorned.
- When above all this, we have a 'pure solid evidence-backed program' by www.id2020.org, and it's own agenda: to 'push' Digital ID's to everyone.

(Is there a push for) 'Digital ID's for everyone'?
Yes, clearly.

So, this program "to give everyone on the planet a 'Digital Identity'"*

*a completely new unique genre of biometrics, document data scraping, mixed an UniD on an Azure cloud blockchain, and even 'persistant human embodiments'.
...Can indeed be both good and bad. It all really depends on it's ultimate intent, form and function.

So far however, it's leaning slightly towards a negative aspect.
The more widely it can be discussed, the clearer it will become.

King Mob

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

I said Gates wanted to stop population growth with new vaccines .

But again, this isn't what he said.

Kidchameleon

King Mob wrote: »

But again, this isn't what he said.

Well its literally what he said:

But not what he meant

Cheerful Spring2

King Mob wrote: »

But again, this isn't what he said.

First, we’ve got population. The world today has 6.8 billion people. That’s headed up to about nine billion. Now, if we do a really great job on new vaccines, health care, reproductive health services, we could lower that by, perhaps, 10 or 15 percent …”

Maybe i live on a different planet to you? He not talking about population growthNew Vaccines can help to control it?

King Mob

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

Maybe i live on a different planet to you? He not talking about population growthNew Vaccines can help to control it?

First, we’ve got population. The world today has 6.8 billion people. That’s headed up to about nine billion. Now, if we do a really great job on new vaccines, health care, reproductive health services, we could lower that by, perhaps, 10 or 15 percent …”

You keep leaving out the other parts of that quote.
You are constantly misrepresenting things.

Cheerful Spring2

King Mob wrote: »

You keep leaving out the other parts of that quote.
You are constantly misrepresenting things.

Huh. The mental gymnastics you engage in. Is new vaccines one of the ways Gates outlined to control population growth yes/no.