An Garda Síochána - COVID19

doughef

helimachoptor wrote: »

So, was out for a walk with a good friend.

He travels to a couple of pharma sites regularly, he was stopped last week. Showed his letter and garda called the number of his manager to check he was an employee, they also asked the what he looked like and what car he drove.

His wifes mother was going to the beacon for a required visit. Gardai called the beacon to check if X was going for an appointment with Dr ABC.

Is this normal? It seems invasive

If we had been more ‘invasive’ we’d all be celebrating like the Isle of Man.
Instead we are too afraid of insulting anyone so all our old people are dying in nursing homes.

I hope your friend is ok after his horrendous ordeal at the hands of the nasty Gardaí

prunudo

Is it normal? No. Is it invasive? Yes

This is nothing to do with fake letters, its what happens if you give a police force sweeping powers to enforce draconian laws that lets face it, have very little bearing on the spread of the virus.

Nozebleed

its completely unacceptable behaviour by any guard. its time this nonsense came to an end..the country has to re-open. and people have to stop snitching on their neighbours/family etc..its pathetic. turn off RTE while you at it. its pure propaganda at this stage with claims of holiday makers and parties,raves being organised.

time to open up the country.

doughef

prunudo wrote: »

Is it normal? No. Is it invasive? Yes

This is nothing to do with fake letters, its what happens if you give a police force sweeping powers to enforce draconian laws that lets face it, have very little bearing on the spread of the virus.

#snowflake

prunudo

doughef wrote: »

#snowflake

The 2 examples are of people doing whats legally allowed by law, they shouldn't be subjected to that sort of interrogation on the the side of the road. Ringing the hospital to see if the appointment is real, thats bordering on harassment.

Witcher

prunudo wrote: »

The 2 examples are of people doing whats legally allowed by law, they shouldn't be subjected to that sort of interrogation on the the side of the road. Ringing the hospital to see if the appointment is real, thats bordering on harassment.

No, it's not.

colm_mcm

prunudo wrote: »

The 2 examples are of people doing whats legally allowed by law, they shouldn't be subjected to that sort of interrogation on the the side of the road. Ringing the hospital to see if the appointment is real, thats bordering on harassment.

What about all the other people who aren’t doing what’s allowed?

I wouldn’t say it’s interrogation, it’s fact checking.

Str8outtaWuhan

helimachoptor wrote: »

So, was out for a walk with a good friend.

He travels to a couple of pharma sites regularly, he was stopped last week. Showed his letter and garda called the number of his manager to check he was an employee, they also asked the what he looked like and what car he drove.

His wifes mother was going to the beacon for a required visit. Gardai called the beacon to check if X was going for an appointment with Dr ABC.

Is this normal? It seems invasive

That to me raises questions from the Hospital side about GDPR, guards aren't exempt. By that rationale and AGS could ring up any doc any query does X come in regularly for viagra.

doughef

colm_mcm wrote: »

What about all the other people who aren’t doing what’s allowed?

I wouldn’t say it’s interrogation, it’s fact checking.

The Gardaí obviously don’t have time to fact check every driver.
I’d imagine this guy was being a complete pain in the hole to deserve this sort of attention.

I get stopped twice a week at least (within 5k / going to shop etc)
I have no problem at all with this and fully respect the Gardaí

Snotty

I hear these stories never everyday and every story normally has an element that the story teller usually leaves out, like a couple of young idiots got a fine when they said they were going to do the shopping, they left out that this was the 3rd time that day they had gone through this one checkpoint and had been warned the previous time. That particular idiot was even on the radio telling their version of the story.

prunudo

colm_mcm wrote: »

What about all the other people who aren’t doing what’s allowed?

I wouldn’t say it’s interrogation, it’s fact checking.

Its a woman going for a hospital appointment. Its not some high stakes investigation. Let her on and worry about stopping large social gatherings or all the other crimes that the gardai should be trying to solve.

Str8outtaWuhan

Str8outtaWuhan wrote: »

That to me raises questions from the Hospital side about GDPR, guards aren't exempt. By that rationale and AGS could ring up any doc any query does X come in regularly for viagra.

Ah, the old 1+1=3 argument

doughef

Str8outtaWuhan wrote: »

That to me raises questions from the Hospital side about GDPR, guards aren't exempt. By that rationale and AGS could ring up any doc any query does X come in regularly for viagra.

GDPR .. FFS . Get a hold of yourself.
We are in the middle of a global pandemic. There are ****bags all over the place ignoring guidelines etc.
Again / I can only imagine your man was being a total d’head to invite this attention

helimachoptor

I've been stopped a couple of times on the way to work but my experience so far has been rolling down the window and the gardai saying "I assume you're on a work related journey" me saying yes and getting waved on

prunudo

doughef wrote: »

The Gardaí obviously don’t have time to fact check every driver.
I’d imagine this guy was being a complete pain in the hole to deserve this sort of attention.

I get stopped twice a week at least (within 5k / going to shop etc)
I have no problem at all with this and fully respect the Gardaí

I understand that, any checkpoints I've gone through there have been no issues. Maybe they failed the attitude test, but have heard stories of overly aggressive attitude from some gardai and I hate to say it, its usually against female drivers.

doughef

helimachoptor wrote: »

I've been stopped a couple of times on the way to work but my experience so far has been rolling down the window and the gardai saying "I assume you're on a work related journey" me saying yes and getting waved on

Exactly- 100% the guy in question is a snowflake / got offended/ was lying

(All of the above)

I regurgitate the news

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

Given how much of a bunch of absolute pisstakers and how untrustworthy the Irish are then I hope it becomes very normal during this. Great to hear. If you’re travelling for a proper reason then there’s no problem anyway so I don’t see the issue.

My grandfather has a friend from Germany and he is always reminiscing about the 1930s in Germany when people were asked for their papers.

He left before the war broke out but he said he felt secure and safe and is happy that people are now cheering on this behaviour here now.

His only quarrel is that the fine for travelling non essentially is only 2,000 (too soft in his words). He would prefer a ten year prison sentence like they have in the UK.

Beasty

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Lundstram

doughef wrote: »

GDPR .. FFS . Get a hold of yourself.
We are in the middle of a global pandemic. There are ****bags all over the place ignoring guidelines etc.
Again / I can only imagine your man was being a total d’head to invite this attention

GDPR is actually a law, these nonsense travel limits have more loopholes than Bono's tax returns. These fines will be laughed out of court in a few months.

I'd tell the Garda to jog on if he requested any private documents. Ask for their Sergeant.

Jobsworths.

BrianD3

helimachoptor wrote: »

So, was out for a walk with a good friend.

He travels to a couple of pharma sites regularly, he was stopped last week. Showed his letter and garda called the number of his manager to check he was an employee, they also asked the what he looked like and what car he drove.

His wifes mother was going to the beacon for a required visit. Gardai called the beacon to check if X was going for an appointment with Dr ABC.

Is this normal? It seems invasive

Wonder what would have happened had he said he was going to visit a grave - Garda demands name and details of the deceased and number for the parish priest to confirm? :rolleyes:

helimachoptor

doughef wrote: »

Exactly- 100% the guy in question is a snowflake / got offended/ was lying

(All of the above)

Nope, he's back and forth to quite a few pharma plants, but in the last 1 to 2weeks he said Gardai seem a bit more militant in their approach, had same letter last year and no issues

doughef

Lundstram wrote: »

GDPR is actually a law, these nonsense travel limits have more loopholes than Bono's tax returns. These fines will be laughed out of court in a few months.

I'd tell the Garda to jog on if he requested any private documents. Ask for their Sergeant.

Jobsworths.

Good man - your a real patriot

JMNolan

Deleted User wrote: »

Ah, the old 1+1=3 argument

It's always 1+1=3 in Ireland until it turns out it has been happening. Then we set up a commission to investigate it

doughef

JMNolan wrote: »

It's always 1+1=3 in Ireland until it turns out it has been happening. Then we set up a commission to investigate it

I don’t think at this stage we can start quoting GDPR / legislation etc.
Fact is , this is a global pandemic and we are making it up as we go along, unfortunately.

The whole ‘I’m offended’ crew need to be offended elsewhere

cadaliac

if everything is genuine, what's the problem?
Hospital visits should most certainly not be excluded - otherwise everyone would use that excuse.

cadaliac

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

Maybe so but it will result in various actions and possible a warrant for him should he intend to return in the future.

All for a car that he could have bought here

Tell us all about the car he "should have bought here". I am intrigued - Also, you mentioned that your travel is essential.
Can I ask why is this the case? Can you tell us why?

Parachutes

Is freedom of movement not guaranteed by the constitution? Doubt any of these fines would hold water in court, but then again I won’t break the rules to test the theory.

drunkmonkey

Parachutes wrote: »

Is freedom of movement not guaranteed by the constitution? Doubt any of these fines would hold water in court, but then again I won’t break the rules to test the theory.

You'd have to lose in the supreme court then take it to Europe, this will be well over by then time that all plays out.

whisky_galore

prunudo wrote: »

Is it normal? No. Is it invasive? Yes

This is nothing to do with fake letters, its what happens if you give a police force sweeping powers to enforce draconian laws that lets face it, have very little bearing on the spread of the virus.

We would be fine if we didn't have chancers, liars and pisstakers. Not all members of the public are entirely honest as to the necessity of their movements as we have seen.

The gardai have been pussycats compared to Italian, french cops not to mention cops in countries with less freedoms in normal times than Ireland. People here bawling crying about a police state here have clearly never lived in a real police state. Try pleading about your "sybil liberdees" to Chinese cops and see where that gets you.

Parachutes

whisky_galore wrote: »

We would be fine if we didn't have chancers, liars and pisstakers. Not all members of the public are entirely honest as to the necessity of their movements as we have seen.

The gardai have been pussycats compared to Italian, french cops not to mention cops in countries with less freedoms in normal times than Ireland. People here bawling crying about a police state here have clearly never lived in a real police state. Try pleading about your "sybil liberdees" to Chinese cops and see where that gets you.

China is the benchmark now is it? Let’s not forget China is a totalitarian, communist state that has murdered millions of its own citizens. Even small encroachments on civil liberties should be fought tooth and nail by citizens.