An Garda Síochána - COVID19

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Gardai getting the public sympathy vote again I here

Witcher

drunkmonkey wrote: »

They were I was watching from a different angle, batons were out before the fireworks at the crowd to the right.

Regardless, they made a mess of it. Tensions were high from the start, the fireworks brought things to a head rapidly and a lot or people scarpered.

Witcher wrote: »

What experience do you have in policing large protests?

We still haven't got an answer here drunkmonkey. Forward on your qualifications in early course please.

Killinator

drunkmonkey wrote: »

They were I was watching from a different angle, batons were out before the fireworks at the crowd to the right.

Regardless, they made a mess of it. Tensions were high from the start, the fireworks brought things to a head rapidly and a lot or people scarpered.

I already explained that having the baton loaded is not hostility and is fairly standard in such incidences, you choose to ignore that, fine. No more to say so.

Again, you may tell us what your policing plan would be. Bearing in mind that we know that that protestor had the firework anyway and most likely was always planning to use it regardless of the tactics of the Gardai.

AGS I'm sure could do with your wealth of experience and knowledge on policing large events.

Foxhound38

sugarman wrote: »

Says it all about the level of intelligence we're dealing with :rolleyes:

https://twitter.com/marktigheST/status/1365697574905208832

Ah for jaysus sake...

Can these idiots not keep from embarassing themselves for 5 minutes?

titan18

Killinator wrote: »

I already explained that having the baton loaded is not hostility and is fairly standard in such incidences, you choose to ignore that, fine. No more to say so.

Again, you may tell us what your policing plan would be. Bearing in mind that we know that that protestor had the firework anyway and most likely was always planning to use it regardless of the tactics of the Gardai.

AGS I'm sure could do with your wealth of experience and knowledge on policing large events.

Tbh, I've seen a bunch of protests for different things over the last year or so and that was the first time I've seen the baton out.

Killinator

titan18 wrote: »

Tbh, I've seen a bunch of protests for different things over the last year or so and that was the first time I've seen the baton out.

A lot of the time the Gardai base it on the crowd they expect to arrive. In this case it appears it was justified.
It also depends on the context of the crowns and what they are trying to do.
Big difference between a crowd of protestors outside the four coutlrts or whatever just standing and chanting and another whole thing where a crowd is actively trying to get to somewhere they are not supposed to be.

SPDUB

I see RTE are ignoring the protest by running it as the first item on 6.1 :rolleyes:

titan18

Killinator wrote: »

A lot of the time the Gardai base it on the crowd they expect to arrive. In this case it appears it was justified.
It also depends on the context of the crowns and what they are trying to do.
Big difference between a crowd of protestors outside the four coutlrts or whatever just standing and chanting and another whole thing where a crowd is actively trying to get to somewhere they are not supposed to be.

True, although theres one or two I can think of where I thought the gardai should have had it out and the rhetoric was they didn't want to escalate so let the crowd run riot. Today, they took a different tactic and I wonder is it due how the media see the protests

drunkmonkey

Killinator wrote: »

I already explained that having the baton loaded is not hostility and is fairly standard in such incidences, you choose to ignore that, fine. No more to say so.

Someone holds a baton aloft in front of your head and that's policing by consent. It's absolutely hostile.

gmisk

sugarman wrote: »

Says it all about the level of intelligence we're dealing with :rolleyes:

https://twitter.com/marktigheST/status/1365697574905208832

Me fail English?!? That's unpossible....
Lol

Also what's with all the baseball caps?!
Is that to hide faces from CCTV or what?!

Witcher

titan18 wrote: »

Tbh, I've seen a bunch of protests for different things over the last year or so and that was the first time I've seen the baton out.

Just because you haven't seen it doesn't mean it didn't happen.

Here are some such protests last year;

https://www.thejournal.ie/covid-19-protests-dublin-coronavirus-5229748-Oct2020/?amp=1

https://www.dublinlive.ie/news/anti-mask-protesters-branded-fascists-19272530.amp

https://img.rasset.ie/001575da-1600.jpg

normanoffside

Tony EH wrote: »

WTF are you talking about.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2021/0227/1199742-st-stephens-green-protest/

Hundreds my hole there were at least 4000 and that’s after the Gardai stopped and fined people on their way as well as trying to stop people coming by announcing the closure of the Green. as I said on another thread the next one will be a lot larger.

Annasopra

Beasty wrote: »

If they want to be martyrs good luck to them. I hope each and every one of them get a criminal record for this behaviour. Anyone taking part must have known they would be causing trouble

Lets be honest this was a violent protest organised by far right fascists.

Witcher

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Someone holds a baton aloft in front of your head and that's policing by consent. It's absolutely hostile.

It's not infront of your head, it's resting on the Garda's shoulder.

Killinator

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Someone holds a baton aloft in front of your head and that's policing by consent. It's absolutely hostile.

Still waiting on that policing plan.....

And the baton isn't held in the air like the sword of damocles waiting to strike down on someone's head, it's rested on the shoulder so the Gardai can strike as fast as possible if needed, again as I stated it would be too awkward fumbling for it out of it's holster when things inevitably kick off

Whatisthisnow

Sakana wrote: »

There's a big right-wing element in SF. It's as if they never read what the party is about.

This had nothing in any way to do with Sinn Fein

Absolutely NOTHING

Stop bringing them into it

donvito99

Why don't the Guards have a water cannon? In common use everywhere else. A good, non-lethal/sore way of dispersing large groups of fools in the middle of a pandemic, and could reduce the risk of exposure to the Guards.

Wasnt one leased from the PSNI in the past?

Eric Cartman

normanoffside wrote: »

Hundreds my hole there were at least 4000 and that’s after the Gardai stopped and fined people on their way as well as trying to stop people coming by announcing the closure of the Green. as I said on another thread the next one will be a lot larger.

Come off it, id believe 1000 but not a chance 4000
And no distancing or masks on most of them, im sure between this and the schools going back we’re going to have a great time with case numbers next week...

Sakana

landofthetree wrote: »

Remember this is a country where the head of Antifa in Ireland was convicted of this.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/former-civil-servant-caught-with-7000-child-porn-images-avoids-jail-29755182.html

Yet no mention in the media of his position in Antifa.

The neo- Marxist agenda is obvious on many issues.

What does Marxist mean? What does neo-Marxist mean?

titan18

Witcher wrote: »

Just because you haven't seen it doesn't mean it didn't happen.

Here are some such protests last year;

https://www.thejournal.ie/covid-19-protests-dublin-coronavirus-5229748-Oct2020/?amp=1

https://www.dublinlive.ie/news/anti-mask-protesters-branded-fascists-19272530.amp

https://img.rasset.ie/001575da-1600.jpg

And then you think of the Blanchardstown incident and people trying to storm the station and a local Spar and nothing, and those were situations as hostile as today. There is a clear inconsistency in how people are policed.

TheValeyard

donvito99 wrote: »

Why don't the Guards have a water cannon? In common use everywhere else. A good, non-lethal/sore way of dispersing large groups of fools in the middle of a pandemic, and could reduce the risk of exposure to the Guards.

Wasnt one leased from the PSNI in the past?

I'd fill it with sewage water or slurry. Those 'protesters' today deserved it.

For Forks Sake

Ace2007 wrote: »

I had no problem with a peaceful protest, but what started as a peaceful protest was taken over by certain sections of society who want to protest as much as they can.

Videos' show them shouting at the Garda, lying down in from of Garda cars etc. shooting fireworks directly at Garda.

None of that behaviour is peaceful. What's worse is that will be broadcast all over the news tonight, and people all over the country will see it - and any hope that the organiser of the peaceful element of the protest would gain support country wide just died.

That's just a cop-out, same people organised this were same ones threatening the gardai, f*ck all peaceful elements among them

Eric Cartman

donvito99 wrote: »

Why don't the Guards have a water cannon? In common use everywhere else. A good, non-lethal/sore way of dispersing large groups of fools in the middle of a pandemic, and could reduce the risk of exposure to the Guards.

Wasnt one leased from the PSNI in the past?

I always struggle with this, throughout the years I can think of many incidents where a water cannon would have been an invaluable tool for gardai

drunkmonkey

Killinator wrote: »

Still waiting on that policing plan.....

Let them have their protest, that's my plan. What's your plan beat the public into submission.
The Government are on a sinking ship and the guards should have more sense than be on the bottom deck with the buckets trying to bail them out.

The guards should call for an end to the 5km and country restrictions. It's doing them no good in the public eye.

titan18

titan18 wrote: »

And then you think of the Blanchardstown incident and people trying to storm the station and a local Spar and nothing, and those were situations as hostile as today. There is a clear inconsistency in how people are policed.

Not all situations require the same policing.
Imagine!

pjohnson

normanoffside wrote: »

Hundreds my hole there were at least 4000 and that’s after the Gardai stopped and fined people on their way as well as trying to stop people coming by announcing the closure of the Green. as I said on another thread the next one will be a lot larger.

This desperation reminds me of the "pro-life" protests :pac:

Witcher

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Let them have their protest, that's my plan. What's your plan beat the public into submission.
The Government are on a sinking ship and the guards should have more sense than be on the bottom deck with the buckets trying to bail them out.

The guards should call for an end to the 5km and country restrictions. It's doing them no good in the public eye.

Let them do as they like so, sound.

The lunatics to run the asylum.

For Forks Sake

Eric Cartman wrote: »

I always struggle with this, throughout the years I can think of many incidents where a water cannon would have been an invaluable tool for gardai

Imagine the fun they could have had today if they had one to use like the PSNI have

Ace2007

For Forks Sake wrote: »

That's just a cop-out, same people organised this were same ones threatening the gardai, f*ck all peaceful elements among them

Who are these people? Has the organiser of the protest come out and condemned the violence at all? that's the only way they have any hope is getting more people on the streets for any future protest.

francogarbanzo

For Forks Sake wrote: »

Imagine the fun they could have had today if they had one to use like the PSNI have

Please hurt me more daddy!