An Garda Síochána - COVID19

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I thought the Gardai handled the situation quite well yesterday. A lot of the people at that protest were probably out of work before the pandemic began and are annoyed they couldn't claim the 350.

It's important not to get too focused on this minority of nutters. There is genuine anger and frustration about how the government has handled this pandemic and the sheer length of the lockdown.

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Sinn Fein aren't left wing.

Policy wise they absolutely are.

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bubblypop wrote: »

Policy wise they absolutely are.

Which of their policies is left wing?

livia21

tayto lover wrote: »

Seven of those arrested wore masks in court.


That gave me a great chuckle.
Do they even know what they were protesting about.

Probably thought they were going to STOP THE STEAL!!

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hotmail.com wrote: »

Which of their policies is left wing?

Er, all of them?!
Economic policies, social policies...
I'm not sure why you think they are not?

ExMachina1000

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Sinn Fein aren't left wing.

They most certainly are.

Funny that some of their voters dont even know their policies. Sf are not ff or fg. That's all many people know

ginoginelli

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https://www.rte.ie/news/courts/2021/0228/1199811-dublin-protest-courts/
What tickles me is that 6 of them wore masks in court!

“ Thirteen people were brought before Dublin District Court last night, charged in connection with protests in Dublin city centre yesterday afternoon.

The 12 men and one woman were brought before a special sitting of the court and charged with breaches of the Public Order Act.

Some of the defendants were charged with multiple breaches of the Act while some face just one charge.

The offences before the court included threatening, abusive and insulting behaviour, failing to comply with the direction of a garda, obstructing a garda and giving a false name or address.

The offences were alleged to have taken place in various locations in the city centre including Grafton Street and O'Connell street.

The youngest defendants were two 19-year-old men.

The oldest was 59-year-old Fergus Cahill from Shankill in Co Dublin, whose 25-year-old son, Caoilte, was also before the court, with both facing three public order charges each.

The defendants also included 26-year-old twin brothers.

Those before the court also had addresses in Crumlin, Drimnagh, the south and north city centre and Finglas.

One man was homeless, some are not working and others work in various roles such as wheel technician and factory workers.

Six of the 13 wore masks during their appearance in court.

Judge Michael Walsh granted bail to all of the defendants on conditions including directing that they abide by Covid-19 regulations, that they stay within their 5km areas and that they do not participate in any unlawful protests.

The judge said the court recognised the right of people to protest but unlawful assembly for an unlawful purpose would not be tolerated.

He granted bail to all of the defendants, most of them on condition that they lodge €100 in cash in court.

They will all be back before Cloverhill District Court next week.

It is understood the DPP is considering whether more serious charges should be preferred against any of the defendants.

Gardaí say seven others were charged with offences and released on station bail.

Three juveniles were released and will be considered for inclusion in the Juvenile Diversion Programme. ”

No surprise they got bailed. Wasted opportunity to come down hard on these toe-rags and make a statement. Our courts really are a soft touch.

IngazZagni

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Sinn Fein aren't left wing.

What? They literally want a socialist Republic. How can they not be left wing?

As for the greens being right wing. Lol!

Edit: By American standards they are all left wing. The Democrats would be closer to Fine Gael's policies in reality.

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ExMachina1000 wrote: »

They most certainly are.

Funny that some of their voters dont even know their policies. Sf are not ff or fg. That's all many people know

Strip away what FG and SF say about each other and you can see that they aren't that different. Both parties around the centre, one slightly to the left, the other slightly to the right.

Sinn Fein voted in favour of the Bank guarantee back in 2008. That's all you need to know about their supposed left wing policies. .

They flip flopped on water charges as well.

They've been trying to get the middle class vote the last few years and have moved even closer to the centre, ditching policies to increase taxes with a tiny exception on very wealthy people.

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IngazZagni wrote: »

What? They literally want a socialist Republic. How can they not be left wing?

As for the greens being right wing. Lol!

I don't think they've used that term since the 1970s.

Will ya stop!
Sinn Fein are a left wing party.

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bubblypop wrote: »

Er, all of them?!
Economic policies, social policies...
I'm not sure why you think they are not?

Specifically.

Social policies? Sinn Fein have social policies?

Up till very recently, Sinn Fein opposed choice when it came to abortion. Hardly the stuff of a left wing party.

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IngazZagni wrote: »

What? They literally want a socialist Republic. How can they not be left wing?

As for the greens being right wing. Lol!

Edit: By American standards they are all left wing. The Democrats would be closer to Fine Gael's policies in reality.

We use European standards in Ireland, not the crazy American standards.

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hotmail.com wrote: »

Up till very recently, Sinn Fein opposed choice when it came to abortion. Hardly the stuff of a left wing party.

And yet, they do support choice now.

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bubblypop wrote: »

And yet, they do support choice now.

Yep, because they moved to the centre, where the majority of politicians are in Ireland.

IngazZagni

hotmail.com wrote: »

We use European standards in Ireland, not the crazy American standards.

Indeed. Anyway Sinn Fein are a member of the European United Left. They are a socialist group. They even have a couple communist supporters.

zerosugarbuzz

hotmail.com wrote: »

Sinn Fein aren't left wing.

I'm inclined to agree. I think they have some left wing policies but I think their right wing side will quite quickly become apparent when they are in power.

zerosugarbuzz

They say they do, it suits them now to gather in more voters. I'll reserve my judgement as to who they really are until they have had power for at least a year.

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The only strategy the gardai should have employed is to start arresting people as soon as they arrived and started congregating. Anyone attempting to resist arrest should have been beaten into submission. The people of Ireland are sick to death (literally!) of these scum.

If this carry-on continues, we should be setting up temp prisons and locking these people up by the hundred. Keep them in pens until the pandemic is over.

Great idea that would have martyrdised the protestors.

Jimbob1977

The terms "far right" and "far left" are thrown about like snuff at a wake.

Traditionally you would associate both terms with police/military states that allowed little freedom of expression, harsh punishment, assassinations and prison camps.

Ireland is a centrist country. We have free press, freedom of expression and a shortage of political re-education centres. Netflix and Penney's.

In 2021, anyone who fails to agree with you is either a "facist" or a "hard left wing activist".

Citizens of the 1930s and 1940s would laugh at us

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Jimbob1977 wrote: »

The terms "far right" and "far left" are thrown about like snuff at a wake.

Traditionally you would associate both terms with police/military states that allowed little freedom of expression, harsh punishment, assassinations and prison camps.

Ireland is a centrist country. We have free press, freedom of expression and a shortage of political re-education centres. Netflix and Penney's.

In 2021, anyone who fails to agree with you is either a "facist" or a "hard left wing activist".

Citizens of the 1930s and 1940s would laugh at us

There is an element of the hyper over reaction and labels.

I suspect most people don't even know what left and right wing even means. As evidenced from above that people believe Sinn Fein are left wing. Do people still Labour are left wing as well?

But anyway, the current atmosphere, adopted sadly because so many people consume American news, is to over sensationalise and put people into divided boxes.

IngazZagni

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. Do people still Labour are left wing as well?
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Yes albeit soft left. What is the difference between them and the soc dems? I'd wager you couldn't find any meaningful differences between their manifestos.
Their only difference is their interpretation of the past but their vision for the future are identical.

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IngazZagni wrote: »

Yes albeit soft left. What is the difference between them and the soc dems? I'd wager you couldn't find any meaningful differences between their manifestos.
Their only difference is their interpretation of the past but their vision for the future are identical.

Yeah none really. Both centre left.

Eggs For Dinner

bubblypop wrote: »

Will ya stop!
Sinn Fein are a left wing party.

In fairness, just because they are left wing today, doesn't mean they were yesterday or might be tomorrow. The constant in their policy making is to wait and see what FF/FG say and come out with the opposite in a dismayed tone

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Eggs For Dinner wrote: »

In fairness, just because they are left wing today, doesn't mean they were yesterday or might be tomorrow. The constant in their policy making is to wait and see what FF/FG say and come out with the opposite in a dismayed tone

Its another FF in the making. Blows with the populist wind.

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Eggs For Dinner wrote: »

In fairness, just because they are left wing today, doesn't mean they were yesterday or might be tomorrow. The constant in their policy making is to wait and see what FF/FG say and come out with the opposite in a dismayed tone

Of course, they are an opposition party. That's politics.

Even in relation to covid, their policy is to accept the medial advice.

That ain't radical or different.

If Sinn Fein were in office, I'm not even sure they would have given the PUP payment.

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IngazZagni wrote: »

Yes albeit soft left. What is the difference between them and the soc dems? I'd wager you couldn't find any meaningful differences between their manifestos.
Their only difference is their interpretation of the past but their vision for the future are identical.

Due to our proportional representation system, this allows for the fragmentation of parties.

The opposite is the case in Britain where they have first past the post. There Labour is made up of far left, centre left and centre. Same with the Tories with centre, centre right and far right all in the one party.

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Jimbob1977 wrote: »

The terms "far right" and "far left" are thrown about like snuff at a wake.

It's internet talk by 20 something's that haven't stopped shitting green yet and have no idea what they're talking about. People who've absorbed their "politics" through their YouTube algorithm.

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Of course, they are an opposition party. That's politics.

My point is they are reactive rather than proactive. Literally moaning for the sake of it. They never put forward their reasoned solution to anything.

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Another Garda injury, this time at a house party in Finglas.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2021/0228/1199865-garda-injury-finglas/