An Garda Síochána - COVID19

dotsman

Red Silurian wrote: »

Essentially

Right wing: National party/Irexit etc etc, Fianna Fail, Fine Gael, Labour, Greens, Renua

Left Wing: Sinn Fein, PBP, Socialists, Social Democrats

Ha ha ha

Firstly, some parties don't adhere to a singular "wing". Economically they can be one way while socially another. Even within socially, they can be a mixed bag. Is a pro-gay marriage but anti abortion person left wing or right wing?

From an economical perspective...

Far Left: Sinn Fein (although some accuse them of having moved to "regular" left in an effort to become more acceptable/popular), PBP, Socialists

Left: Social Democrats, Labour (although many of their base would accuse them of having gone more centre-left in recent years)

Centre Left: Greens, Fianna Fail (but would "average" centre-right on social issues), Fine Gael (their own policies/vision would be more to the centre, but when in power typically implement more centre-left changes, possibly because always sharing government with left/centre-left parties).

Center: None (used to be PDs)

Center Right: None

Right: National Party, Renua (hard to say with both of these exactly because they only really exist on the fringe and have no history)

Far Right: None

Mr. Karate

There is nothing Right wing [Centre or otherwise] about FF and FG. They're as pro-globalist as most left wing parties. Michael Martin even said that Nationalism was a backwards ideology that he rejects.

PhilOssophy

Far right, anti vaxers, anti lockdown, anti mask call them whatever.
They all share 1 trait - they are all scumbags.

francogarbanzo

PhilOssophy wrote: »

Far right, anti vaxers, anti lockdown, anti mask call them whatever.
They all share 1 trait - they are all scumbags.

All people who are against lockdowns are scumbags? Must be a depressing worldview to hold.

PhilOssophy

francogarbanzo wrote: »

All people who are against lockdowns are scumbags? Must be a depressing worldview to hold.

All those who went to that protest yesterday are and that isn't a depressing world view to hold! There's plenty of laws people are against (including me) but that doesn't mean I go out and behave like a scumbag against them.

dublinman1990

As I saw this on the news last night; my first reaction to it was sweet f*cking jesus. What these a**holes were doing at that "protest" in Dublin yesterday was absolutely crazy. They should have the book thrown at them when they get caught by our justice system. The so-called patriots who turned up at it yesterday were an ignorant shower of pure scum. I hope these f*ckers get what they deserve in court when they get caught & arrested.

Necro

Mod:

There is now a thread discussing this in Current Affairs:

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2058164356

Can we take all the disagreements about what side of the political spectrum the protestors were to this thread please and leave this free for discussing Covid-19 and An Garda Siochana

Thanks

Parachutes

ShineOn7 wrote: »

Tonight in this thread sort of reinstated my faith in Boards

Lately it has been over run with blatant trolls and/or fans of G*mma, Walters and Gilroy who have signed up to do nothing but brigade posts and cause hassle on here

I can spot them a mile off

But tonight on this thread the vast majority of us were - rightly - aghast at today's events

The scumbags won't win

The real scumbags are the politicians who are treating the populace as lab rats in their great lockdown experiment.

Parachutes

PhilOssophy wrote: »

Far right, anti vaxers, anti lockdown, anti mask call them whatever.
They all share 1 trait - they are all scumbags.

I want my life back. Maybe you are happy to never leave your house again but I'm not and I'll never accept this situation.

ShineOn7

Parachutes wrote: »

The real scumbags are the politicians who are treating the populace as lab rats in their great lockdown experiment.

Parachutes wrote: »

I have a right to protest. You'll never take that away from me. Vast majority of people there were peacefully protesting.

/unfollows thread

Parachutes

ShineOn7 wrote: »

/unfollows thread

Lockdowns are doing more harm than good. This nonsense needs to end now.

Parachutes

Parachutes wrote: »

Lockdowns are doing more harm than good. This nonsense needs to end now.

This “nonsense” is saving lives.

Do you have any opinion on the 2 uainseachs drinking cans of beer and complaining about RTÉ?

Parachutes

Deleted User wrote: »

This “nonsense” is saving lives.

Do you have any opinion on the 2 uainseachs drinking cans of beer and complaining about RTÉ?

It's destroying lives.

Signore Fancy Pants

Parachutes wrote: »

It's destroying lives.

What would no lockdowns look like?

Big brain time for ya lad.

drunkmonkey

Signore Fancy Pants wrote: »

What would no lockdowns look like?

Pretty much every year before March 2020.

We've made a mistake with the continued restrictions on healthy people, it was the right call at the start, it's the wrong one now as the data has changed. Hence the WHO telling Ireland to set the healthy free from restrictions repeatedly.

The reason we had restrictions on the healthy was based on the assumption they spread the virus in large numbers, I checked the HSE website and the study's they refer to are from March/April 2020. It hasn't been updated, are NPHET still holding onto that assumption?
Why do NPHET ignore the WHO now yet base their continued lockdown on the information the WHO provided a year ago.

It's all here and completely out of step with current knowledge https://hselibrary.ie/what-is-the-rate-of-asymptomatic-carriage-of-covid-19-amongst-both-older-people-65-and-the-general-population/

Parachutes

Signore Fancy Pants wrote: »

What would no lockdowns look like?

Big brain time for ya lad.

Take a look at Sweden to see what no lockdowns look like.

Sgt. Bilko 09

Parachutes wrote: »

Take a look at Sweden to see what no lockdowns look like.

it looks like a stubborn government thinking it correct but inevitability has to listen to WHO.

Signore Fancy Pants

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Pretty much every year before March 2020.

We've made a mistake with the continued restrictions on healthy people, it was the right call at the start, it's the wrong one now as the data has changed. Hence the WHO telling Ireland to set the healthy free from restrictions repeatedly.

The reason we had restrictions on the healthy was based on the assumption they spread the virus in large numbers, I checked the HSE website and the study's they refer to are from March/April 2020. It hasn't been updated, are NPHET still holding onto that assumption?
Why do NPHET ignore the WHO now yet base their continued lockdown on the information the WHO provided a year ago.

It's all here and completely out of step with current knowledge https://hselibrary.ie/what-is-the-rate-of-asymptomatic-carriage-of-covid-19-amongst-both-older-people-65-and-the-general-population/

Explain Dec 2020/Jan 2021. Did I imagine a sh1t load of cases and deaths since then?

How would that have worked out if restrictions weren't reimposed. Trying to argue against that is ridiculous.

Parachutes

Sgt. Bilko 09 wrote: »

it looks like a stubborn government thinking it correct but inevitability has to listen to WHO.

The WHO don't recommend lockdowns anymore.

Beasty

This thread is about AGS and Covid 19.

If you wish to discuss restrictions and the relaxation thereof please use the dedicated thread. If you are banned from that thread don't post about it anywhere else, including here

Signore Fancy Pants

Parachutes wrote: »

Take a look at Sweden to see what no lockdowns look like.

Yeah, a death rate equal to +31% more per population.

Nice.

Anyway, AGS should have went harder on the mouthbreathers yesterday.

GT89

PhilOssophy wrote: »

All those who went to that protest yesterday are and that isn't a depressing world view to hold! There's plenty of laws people are against (including me) but that doesn't mean I go out and behave like a scumbag against them.

Not everyone who went to the protest yesterday was a scumbag. Some went with the intention to be peaceful. When the water protest was happening was everyone who went a scumbag as there was trouble at that?

GT89

GT89 wrote: »

Not everyone who went to the protest yesterday was a scumbag. Some went with the intention to be peaceful. When the water protest was happening was everyone who went a scumbag as there was trouble at that?

I think that the water protests have a lot to answer for. They showed that lawlessness was acceptable to some.

gmisk

Signore Fancy Pants wrote: »

Yeah, a death rate equal to +31% more per population.

Nice.

Anyway, AGS should have went harder on the mouthbreathers yesterday.

Their death rate is even more horrendous compared to their neighbours.
Norway approx 116 per million.
Denmark approx 403 per million...
Sweden approx 1244 per million
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1104709/coronavirus-deaths-worldwide-per-million-inhabitants/

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1113834/cumulative-coronavirus-deaths-in-the-nordics/

Anyway off topic now so will stop.
But those figures are pretty stark

Rodin

GT89 wrote: »

Great idea that would have martyrdised the protestors.

Nobody suggesting they get shot while strapped ro a chair in Kilmiainham jail courtyard.

paw patrol

PhilOssophy wrote: »

Far right, anti vaxers, anti lockdown, anti mask call them whatever.
They all share 1 trait - they are all scumbags.

a truly profound reflection on the psyche of man there,.
where do I repent for my sins.

LuckyLloyd

GT89 wrote: »

Not everyone who went to the protest yesterday was a scumbag. Some went with the intention to be peaceful. When the water protest was happening was everyone who went a scumbag as there was trouble at that?

The water charges protests worked because tens of thousands of people turned up and they were overwhelmingly peaceful in their nature. Yes, there was non peaceful protest in housing states were people tried to stop meter installation but it was a wide scale peaceful movement.

500 people showing up to the city centre and 5% of that crowd getting arrested for being scumbags is not on the same plain of existence.

GT89

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

The water charges protests worked because tens of thousands of people turned up and they were overwhelmingly peaceful in their nature. Yes, there was non peaceful protest in housing states were people tried to stop meter installation but it was a wide scale peaceful movement.

500 people showing up to the city centre and 5% of that crowd getting arrested for being scumbags is not on the same plain of existence.

There were more than 500 people there I would say at least 1,000. These types of protests are a near weekly occurrence in France. Its a shame people in Ireland don't get behind protests like they do in France.

LuckyLloyd

GT89 wrote: »

There were more than 500 people there I would say at least 1,000.

Estimates are 500 - 1000, as printed by multiple media outlets.

Either way, 23 people getting arrested from a small crowd is a bad look.

drunkmonkey

What did the Doctor do he's sticking out like a sore thumb...

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/dentist-and-plumber-among-dublin-anti-lockdown-protesters-charged-40142629.html