protecting the elderly - hasn't really worked all that well

Scoondal

Idbatterim wrote: »

Holohan is above any form of questioning!

Oh, sorry, my mistake.
But you are correct. He was on the Tubridy Show.

RandomViewer

splinter65 wrote: »

According to RTÉs Tommy O’Gorman Mr Holohan is the greatest person who has ever lived.

Tommy Gorman nearly came live on the news gushing about Lizzie Windsor a few weeks ago, it was so cringy. Between him and George "random tangents" Lee you'd worry about the accuracy of the news

CIARAN_BOYLE

Scoondal wrote: »

On 10 March, according to The Irish Times, Tony Holohan said that visiting retrictions imposed by NHI should be lifted.
Mr. Holohan must be queried about his statements. Thankfully, NHI refused his request.

He was asked and answered in one of the press conferences last week.

His response was that they made the reccomendations in a proportionate manner as needs required.

Once the shut down of visitors was introduced it would be introduced long term. By only implementing measures as required it was the aim of the public health team to reduce public fatigue with the measures in place.

Not really sure on that answer myself but it's the answer he gave.

millb

Scoondal wrote: »

I just want Tony Holohan to say that he was wrong, it was an error of judgement and that he is sorry.
But he is a government employed civil servant, so hell will freeze before such a person will ever admit a mistake. No personal responsibility will be accepted for any mistakes made by anyone in important roles in Ireland.

I heard that Leo said today that they got the strategy wrong with the nursing homes.

anewme

Just wondering how many commenting here actually are impacted by having family in a nursing home?

millb

Live now Claire Byrne... owner of NH v interesting

beolight

anewme wrote: »

Just wondering how many commenting here actually are impacted by having family in a nursing home?

Equally impacted are those who may have family members working within a Nursing Home

s7ryf3925pivug

Del Griffith wrote: »

It's this. It's inconceivable that workers in 29 separate facilities just happen to have a positive Corona staff member.

My bet is we all have it, or a huge amount of people anyway, and have no symptoms or very mild symptoms.

This would mean the % death rate and rates needing hospitalisation are far lower than the current figures too.

You might be right. There were a load of people tested for antibodies in California recently, and the number of positive results was much greater than the number of people who had actually been diagnosed.

anewme

beolight wrote: »

Equally impacted are those who may have family members working within a Nursing Home

Absolutely

I've lost my dad to this absolute bastard of a virus. I've been worried for weeks but tried not to panic and just hoped the virus would stay away from his nursing home. They were doing very well until late last week but then got hit badly. For dad he had no symptoms until he became seriously ill, and then he was gone in the space of a few hours. It happened so fast it's hard to get your head around.

maneno

Flying Fox wrote: »

I've lost my dad to this absolute bastard of a virus. I've been worried for weeks but tried not to panic and just hoped the virus would stay away from his nursing home. They were doing very well until late last week but then got hit badly. For dad he had no symptoms until he became seriously ill, and then he was gone in the space of a few hours. It happened so fast it's hard to get your head around.

So sorry for your loss flying fox

Scoondal

anewme wrote: »

Just wondering how many commenting here actually are impacted by having family in a nursing home?

My mother is in a nursing home near Kilcock. Why did CMO Holohan ask for visitor restrictions to be lifted on nursing homes on 9 or 10 March ?
This was a serious mis-judgement at the least.
And no one has asked that question at the news briefings.

Scoondal

My mother's nursing home told us last week that my mother was to be given valium every day. That is what we get when we allow profit making companies treat nursing home care as an oppurtunity to make money. And now they want the state to bail them out. Disgusting.

anewme

Flying Fox wrote: »

I've lost my dad to this absolute bastard of a virus. I've been worried for weeks but tried not to panic and just hoped the virus would stay away from his nursing home. They were doing very well until late last week but then got hit badly. For dad he had no symptoms until he became seriously ill, and then he was gone in the space of a few hours. It happened so fast it's hard to get your head around.

Flying Fox, as someone in the same situation, I was so upset to read this tonight.

Thinking of you and your family.

MadYaker

Considering no country in the world has managed to keep it out of nursing homes can we not consider this inevitable? Am I wrong? Is there any country that managed to do this?

Scoondal

MadYaker wrote: »

Considering no country in the world has managed to keep it out of nursing homes can we not consider this inevitable? Am I wrong? Is there any country that managed to do this?

One thing is certain ... the residents of nursing homes did not bring the disease into nursing homes. The residents are the ones suffering but their aren't going abroad for holidays or going to crowded pubs. They already live in social isolation, for many years.

Kerry25x

Scoondal wrote: »

One thing is certain ... the residents of nursing homes did not bring the disease into nursing homes. The residents are the ones suffering but their aren't going abroad for holidays or going to crowded pubs. They already live in social isolation, for many years.

Most likely staff that are asymptomatic and have no way of knowing that they're passing it on and have had no PPE provided.

The Tetrarch

Both my parents are deceased. One was in a long-stay hospital for three years. The other was in a nursing home for seven years.

I think the daily routine in both would contribute to coronavirus spread.
It is usual to have a couple of community rooms with televisions. They are also used for activities like singing, quizzes, and games.
When the residents get up they are brought to the community room. You could have thirty residents in one room. And visitors would also visit the resident in that room. The residents could spend most of the day there. Perhaps they could spend time in the garden, but moving a few dozen residents about is a major task and the tendency is to keep them in one place.
The same with residents who are smokers - one smoking room.

"protecting the elderly - hasn't really worked all that well"

It's worked out quite well outside of nursing homes..nursing homes are a challenge for all the reasons mentioned so far in this topic.

The Tetrarch

And in my late mother's nursing home all the residents ate meals at the same time together in the dining room, four to a table.

Unfortunately nursing homes weren't prepared at all for the likes of this, the country wasn't so it's no surprise nursing homes aren't.

Even with the recent testing, if a nursing home's staff test positive, say 40% of them, can the nursing home operate with 60% staff?

It's not really anyone's fault that nursing homes weren't best prepared for the likes of Covid19, it's an unprecedented situation in the State.

wheresthebeef

Scoondal wrote: »

My mother's nursing home told us last week that my mother was to be given valium every day. That is what we get when we allow profit making companies treat nursing home care as an oppurtunity to make money. And now they want the state to bail them out. Disgusting.

A nursing home can only give medicine that is prescribed by the residents Doctor. Unless your Mum has a diagnosed anxiety disorder, I cant see how this is appropriate prescribing. You should ask for a phone consult with her doctor to discuss other options if she is anxious or stressed. Medication is the last option when all other measures have failed.

Scoondal

wheresthebeef wrote: »

A nursing home can only give medicine that is prescribed by the residents Doctor. Unless your Mum has a diagnosed anxiety disorder, I cant see how this is appropriate prescribing. You should ask for a phone consult with her doctor to discuss other options if she is anxious or stressed. Medication is the last option when all other measures have failed.

Oh really ?
The company said that they had to stop her walking around and that she did not understand social distancing. We cannot phone because calls are not answered. There is no doctor ... they have a doctor. It is now almost no communication.
Their solution is valium. This is a fact.
These profit making companies are a disgrace on Ireland.

anewme

My Dad has beaten it.

He had it for 3 weeks. They told us Dementia and COVID 19 are not a good mix. The Dementia patients have no idea why people are coming at them with masks and suits and why they are moved from where they know and the staff that know them.

The nurse the other day told me "he is some man", so I knew then he was going to be ok.

It is a bitter sweet feeling, as so many others haven't made it.

Thinking of them.

Scoondal

So profit making companies had no real business plans .. they want to be bailed out. It is a disgusting industry, how Ireland respects the people who made our country what it is today.